What are your thoughts on the Venus Project?

[Finger]

So by your logic, we should not invent it just because of the lack of materials needed. That doesn't make much sense. We should invest in specific development of materials; which would help for the development needs needed for the generator.

The question asked of you wasn't, "why don't we invent it?" The question was "why isn't it built yet?" Initially, you didn't blame it on the lack of a heat-resistant material, you blamed it on a vast conspiracy and only mentioned the lack of suitable material like it was some trivial thing. It is not trivial. If he went to any company in the world with his blueprints (which I'm still waiting for, by the way) but then said, "the materials to build it haven't been invented yet." He'd be thrown out. Not because of a conspiracy theory either, but because its little more than a science fiction idea. Of course we could go to other star systems, all we need are warp drives that haven't been invented yet.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

The question asked of you wasn't, "why don't we invent it?" The question was "why isn't it built yet?" Initially, you didn't blame it on the lack of a heat-resistant material, you blamed it on a vast conspiracy and only mentioned the lack of suitable material like it was some trivial thing. It is not trivial. If he went to any company in the world with his blueprints (which I'm still waiting for, by the way) but then said, "the materials to build it haven't been invented yet." He'd be thrown out. Not because of a conspiracy theory either, but because its little more than a science fiction idea. Of course we could go to other star systems, all we need are warp drives that haven't been invented yet.

Funding's come from a huge corporation that already have investments in some other energy field. If they don't see it as something that can be made to have money from it, it will not made. Also it would have to go into politics for them to decide whether or not it is ethical, and also they are funded by the corporations that have stakes in the monopoly of energy. It is more complex and it is not a conpiracy, it's the pyramid power scheme of one corporation controlling another corporations that funds the government and whatnot.

It is the lack of materials to invent this type of specific generator.

And about adamantium, it has to be kept in a liquid state otherwise it would solidify, I know of no generator and whatnot that was built from that type of material (I am not to sure if it would event stand up to the heat of a volcanic eruption, we need a specific metal material that can stand the heat and provide a suitable lay out for it. Technology has virtually hardly any limits, the only limit we have is based on our imagination.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Now then, I looked for the schematics and I found the site that had it but it was removed apparently. I think Jacque hadn't gotten the money to patten it and didn't want the idea out on the web. So he probably told the user to not put it on the web. I e-mailed Jacque about it and I might or might not get an answer back. If I do I'll post it up here.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

One more thing Finger, I found this here which can give you a better grasp about what is going on with the Venus Project.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/7hunder

I'm not sure if he taking calls and questions. Peter actively has a forum where he answers questions about the whole Venus Project and you ask anything you have their.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=1905&func=view&catid=232&id=118534&limit=10&limitstart=80#123312

My advice, post your question as close to the next scheduled radio as possible to get it answered.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Why hasn't this dude built his volcano electric generator yet?

Because he can't build anything until his cult... I mean "Movement" has enough members. When it reaches critical mass, the volcano electric generator will simply build itself, out of magical fairy dust...oops, I mean "the Scientific Method."

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Because he can't build anything until his cult... I mean "Movement" has enough members. When it reaches critical mass, the volcano electric generator will simply build itself, out of magical fairy dust...oops, I mean "the Scientific Method."

I do not understand why you label it as a cult. I mean I have already established to you that it is not a cult because the behavior of it is not anything like a cult. Cult's rely on fear tactics, subversion tactics, things that get people riled up to make them feel righteous and powerful and then to denounce anyone that disagrees with them.

So tell me? How is doing the exact opposite supposed to be cult like? I don't understand your form of reasoning here.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

The question asked of you wasn't, "why don't we invent it?" The question was "why isn't it built yet?" Initially, you didn't blame it on the lack of a heat-resistant material, you blamed it on a vast conspiracy and only mentioned the lack of suitable material like it was some trivial thing. It is not trivial. If he went to any company in the world with his blueprints (which I'm still waiting for, by the way) but then said, "the materials to build it haven't been invented yet." He'd be thrown out. Not because of a conspiracy theory either, but because its little more than a science fiction idea. Of course we could go to other star systems, all we need are warp drives that haven't been invented yet.

Really, it is just a bunch of excuses for why this nutjob Jacque Fresco has been stringing along his followers for decades.

If you want to see someone who has a non-cultist organization that actually does things, check out Al Gore. Gore and this fraud Fresco started talking about their ideas around the same time. Fresco has done absolutely zero in the way of making things happen. Al Gore got himself elected to high office, where he held hearings that helped clean up pollution. Al Gore tried to push through the Kyoto treaty, and unlike Fresco was actually in a position to potentially make it happen. Granted, he could have done more, should have done more... but he actually did something other than make DVDs. Since 2001, Al Gore has founded an investment company that buys up carbon offsets, keeping that amount of carbon emissions out of the air. He's co-sponsored a $25 million competition to create a device to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. We can just ignore the Oscar and the Nobel Prize... although what has Fresco ever achieved, besides the following of Trekkies and conspiracy nuts?

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

If you want to see someone who has a non-cultist organization that actually does things, check out Al Gore. Gore and this fraud Fresco started talking about their ideas around the same time. Fresco has done absolutely zero in the way of making things happen. Al Gore got himself elected to high office, where he held hearings that helped clean up pollution. Al Gore tried to push through the Kyoto treaty, and unlike Fresco was actually in a position to potentially make it happen. Granted, he could have done more, should have done more... but he actually did something other than make DVDs. Since 2001, Al Gore has founded an investment company that buys up carbon offsets, keeping that amount of carbon emissions out of the air. He's co-sponsored a $25 million competition to create a device to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. We can just ignore the Oscar and the Nobel Prize... although what has Fresco ever achieved, besides the following of Trekkies and conspiracy nuts?

Um... wtf are are you talking about? Fresco has been around the world in Universities giving lectures, he has been featured on talk show radio's and interviews for years. Scientists in France, Germany, England, Russia and even Japan have been to see him. He was never into a Movement, this was entirely Peter's idea when he met Fresco is when he decided to get a Movement behind him which was recently last year!

I mean wtf are you talking about? He has been working on the Venus Project for over 30 years. He has books, DVD's features what his ideas are. How else do you expect someone to get their ideas out their? Hey I've got an idea check his resume:

Mr. Fresco's background includes industrial design and social engineering, as well as being a forerunner in the field of Human Factors. Mr. Fresco has worked as both designer and inventor in a wide range of fields spanning from biomedical innovations to totally integrated social systems.

The Venus Project reflects the culmination of Jacque Fresco's life work: the integration of the best of science and technology into a comprehensive plan for a new society based on human and environmental concern. It is a global vision of hope for the future of humankind in our technological age.

A major documentary, titled Future By Design, on the life, designs and philosophy of Jacque Fresco is now available. This is produced by Academy Award Nominated and Emmy Winning filmmaker, William Gazecki. The film Zeitgeist Addendum featuring Jacque Fresco and The Venus Project produced by Peter Joseph was recently released. It can be viewed at http://www.ZeitgeistMovie.com

Professional Positions

* Design consultant for Rotor Craft Helicopter Company
* Served in the Army Design and Development Unit, Wright Field Dayton, Ohio
* Research Engineer. Raymond De-Icer Corp., Los Angeles, California
* Technical Consultant to the Motion Picture Industry, including Technical Advisor to Camera Eye Pictures, Inc., and the film, The Magic Eye, which won the Robert J. Flaherty Award for creative film documentary.
* Colleague and work associate of Donald Powell Wilson of Los Angeles, the noted psychologist who wrote My Six Convicts.
* Industrial Design Instructor at the Art Center School in Hollywood, California
* Creator of Revel Plastics Company
* Books authored

Looking Forward co-authored with Kenneth Keyes, 1969, A.S. Barnes & Company
Introduction to Sociocyberneering, 1977
Sociocyberneering Presents Cities in Transition, 1978
Sociocyberneering Presents the Determinants of Behavior, 1978
Structural Systems and Systems of Structure, 1979
The Venus Project: The Redesign of a Culture, 1995 *World Future Society best seller

And The World Will Be One 1997

The Best That Money Can't Buy: Beyond Politics, Poverty & War, 2002
Designing the Future, 2007

* Videos produced and filmed

The Venus Project: The Redesign of a Culture, 1994 Welcome To The Future, 2001 Cities In The Sea, 2002

Self-erecting Structures, 2002
Designing the Future, 2006

Inventions and Designs- many of which have been patented and have had wide commercial acceptance.

* Systems for noiseless and pollution free aircraft
* A new aircraft wing structural system, patented by the US Air Force
* An electrostatic system for the elimination of sonic boom for Raymond DeIcer
* Boundary layer control and electrodynamic methods for aircraft control that dispenses with ailerons, elevators, rudders, and flaps
* A three-wheel automobile consisting of only 32 parts
* "The Aluminum Trend House," a prefabricated house designed and developed for Mike Shore and Earl Muntz, 1945
* Designed and developed another prefabricated aluminum house for Major Realty Corporation in collaboration with Aluminum Company of America
* Developed numerous components and systems for architectural construction
* Developed equipment ranging from 3-dimensional x-ray units to electronic surgical instruments for the medical field
* Developed a technique for viewing 3-dimensional motion pictures without the use of glasses
* Designed and built a wide variety of reinforced concrete structures

Periodicals, books, newspapers and magazines that have contained articles written by Mr. Fresco or written about Mr. Fresco:

* Feature contributing author to the book In the Shadow of War edited by Arthur Shostak Ph.D. 2004
* Feature contributing author to the book Viable Utopian Ideas: Shaping A Better World edited by Arthur Shostak Ph.D. 2003
* Wrote the preface and was featured in the book Transforming The Global Biosphere: Twelve Futuristic Strategies by Elliott Maynard, Ph.D. 2003
* Feature article in the 2002 January - February issue of The Futurist
* Feature contributing author in Utopian Thinking in Sociology: Creating the Good Society, an instructional text book published by the American Sociological Association 2001
* Feature article in the 1994 May - June issue of the World Future Society's magazine, The Futurist, where the editors compared his work with R. Buckminster Fuller and Paolo Soleri.
* The Los Angeles Times (Los Angeles, CA), The Miami Herald (Miami, FL,) News-Sun (Sebring, Fl) Houston Chronicle (Houston, TX) , New-Press (Ft Myers, Fl), North Port Sun (North Port, FL), The Indianapolis Star (Indianapolis, IN), El Nuevo Herald (Miami, FL), Record (Hackensack, NJ), De Soto Sun (Arcadia, FL), Englewood Sun (Englewood, FL), West County Times (Pinole, CA), Standard Esquire Examiner (Ogden, UT), Valley Times (Pleasanton, CA), Contra Costa Times (Walnut Creek, CA), San Ramon Valley Times (Danville, CA), FL Citizen, (Key West, FL), News & Record (Greensboro, NC), The Plain Dealer (Cleveland, OH).
* Western Flying, The Architectural Forum, Popular Mechanics, Saturday Review, Variety, Feedback Magazine, Gulf Shore Life, Lee Living, Predictions, Weekly Reader, Media Wave, Shift, Detour, UK's FX Design, Business and Society, UK's Locum Destination Review, Spain's leading news magazine EPOCA, The Sun, National Hotel Executive, Exxon Mobil's corporate magazine The Compass, GQ Magazine of Italy, Janas Magazine of France. Mare Magazine of Germany, Gantthead.mag Magazine, IE Industrial Engineering Magazine, The Irish Entrepreneur Magazine, Gallery of Spain, Photoshop Magazine of Turkey, 944, Amusement of France.
* Walden Three a book written about Mr. Fresco by Jack Catran.

Radio and Television Shows

* Feature interview for REDES a public television show of Spain 2003
* Discovery Channel's two hour special Engineering the Impossible, 2002
* It's Your Call with Lynn Doyle, Philadelphia
* A Touch of Grey, nationally syndicated radio
* Several appearances on The Larry King Show radio and television
* Prime Time Weekend, Philadelphia, PA
* CHRW-CFM, "Science Girl, Ontario, Canada
* National Public Radio, WGCU, Fort Myers, FL
* National Public Radio, KGPR-FM, Great Falls, MT
* JudiWorld with Judi Paparelli, New Orleans, LA
* KFMK-FM 105.9 Austin, TX
* KVON-AM, San Francisco
* WCUB-AM, Manitowoc, WI
* WLW-AM, Cincinnati, OH
* WLW-AM, Midday with Mike McConnell
* Long John's Journal, WINK, Channel 11 Fort Myers, Florida
* In The Wild, Award winning children's TV series
* Fox Television, Tampa, Florida
* All Things Considered, Public Radio, Tampa, Florida
* Free Speech TV, Boulder, Colorado
* N3TV, Space Channel, Canada
* Television Special in Japan, France, and England
* Chilean Public Television Special
* Talk show presentation in Brazil.
* WPBT Educational Television, Channel 2
* WPLG, ABC Network Television, Channel 10
* WIOD Radio, Feature Guest of Art Merrill
* WKAT Radio Feature Guest of Bill Smith Show
* Art Baker nationwide program, You Asked For It, as "The Man Of Tomorrow"

Mr. Fresco has been a guest lecturer at many institutions of higher learning. He was an active participant in discussions at the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions in Santa Barbara, California. Mr. Fresco has addressed students at the University of Miami, Princeton University, University of Southern California, Dade Junior College, Queens College, Presbyterian College, University of Southern Florida, Nichols College, Columbia University, Instituto Tecnologico de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey in Monterrey, Mexico, Institute of Technology, Vienna, Austria and others. He and Ralph Nader were featured guest lecturers at the University of South Florida. At Princeton University, Mr. Fresco addressed the Department of Sociology. His subject was Sociology of the Future. Along with the well- known scientist Margaret Mead, Mr. Fresco was extended an invitation to address the college environment conference in Washington, DC. He was a guest speaker for the Tenth Symposium for the Civil Engineering Department of TEC de Monterrey University in Monterrey, Mexico, Latin America's top rated college. Mr. Fresco was a guest speaker at The Utopian Studies Conference in Orlando, FL and lectured at several World Future Society Conferences. He was a guest lecturer on future planning in Dubai, Untied Arab Emirates. Mr. Fresco was a speaker at the Technical University in Vienna. He was a guest speaker at the conference at Dalian, China for the Development of N.E. China. He was also guest speaker at a conference in Iceland and the guest of honor at The Futurists Summit 2008 in Istanbul, Turkey.

We have all heard lectures that downgrade the present state of affairs. They speak of such social problems as lawlessness, poverty, racial tension and divorce. But how many of us can recall any of these lectures offering creative solutions to these problems? Mr. Fresco's presentations reflect a serious attempt to illuminate the causes and outline a wide range of constructive alternatives. He does this by presenting a redesign of our culture, one that would emphasize the intelligent use of science and technology to enhance the lives of all people while protecting our environment. His subjects range from "New Dimensions in Human Stupidity" to "Imagineering The Future." A video often accompanies the lectures where his ideas are vividly brought to life through animated models, illustrations and computer animation.

His particular lecture technique enables uninformed audiences to grasp the significance of complex social and technical innovations He speaks dramatically and brilliantly about the urgent transitional problems facing our contemporary society. His audiences find their attention focused intensely and they closely follow his presentation from beginning to end. Mr. Fresco's lectures have been consistently praised and enthusiastically received.

Jacque Fresco is the founder of Sociocyberneering, Inc., now known as The Venus Project. With his associate Roxanne Meadows, he has designed and built the entire twenty-five acre research facility. The function of this project is to prepare approaches and solutions to the major problems that confront the world today. Television and magazine coverage on the project has been worldwide.

Very Impressive resume if you ask me. I don't get why you come to such preconcieved notions and loosely clarify what you state with inconsistent notions.

 

[Anonymous]

The differences between the Venus Project and the Minority report is that we will not imprison people indefinitely. And yes I do understand; but this isn't to say that they will, we are just merely weighing the possibility of what may happen vs. their psychological makeup. It will merely start out as a psychological evaulation of the person, their history and so forth. If their is no psychological danger; then the person will either have the choice to go home, or to stay for a psychological reformation.

It is all a matter of choice to the person. The only reason they would be reformed in the first place is if we have strong psychological evidence for the person to go from introvert mutilation to extrovert. This is far better than our current reform than just putting people on drugs to psychological sedate them 24/7.

I think I was able to clear this up finally. If there is anything else on the matter please ask.

Well, that says it all....

Off to pseudoscience for you matey...

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Well, that says it all....

Off to pseudoscience for you matey...

Um... ok. And that makes sense why? I mean it is all the discussion of psychology and how environment shapes our behavior. Mind if I ask why you came to that conclusion?

 

[felixthecoach]

Hm, although I disagree with Voice on the semantics of his ideas, I dont think his thread should be moved to pseudoscience.

I dont even remember when he said that. I need to reread i guess.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Hm, although I disagree with Voice on the semantics of his ideas, I dont think his thread should be moved to pseudoscience.

I dont even remember when he said that. I need to reread i guess.

I was actually talking about psychological reformation and the differences between the current form of reformation (which is to drug these types of people to keep them sedates), between the whole process of it being "The Minority Report," and what the psychological reformation of the Venus Project really will be.

This is a discussion being brought up for the past 5 years about what kind of kind of psychological reformation should be considered ethical for reforming those that do self mutiliation and turn it from introvert to extrovert within the community of psychologists. Hell it may be even more than 5 years.

Discussing what kind of psychological treatment is ethical for someone or not has always been a heated debate and in some cases people tend to view it as a pseudoscience. Which is something I tend to disagree with because psychology is too broad an aspect to cover simply by taking a few classess on it and even then the experts don't fully understand the subjects themselves from time to time.

 

[Anonymous]

IamtheVOICE123 writes:

psychological reformation

And just what is that, exactly?

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

And just what is that, exactly?

Psychological reformation is the practice of re-evaluating someone's dangerous thought process (like having thoughts of suicide and so forth) to find the root cause of such behavior and see if it can be either eliminated through natural progression of reforming the persons outlook on it, or through medication.

Most of the time medication has been used instead of trying the natural process first. I am surprised you have not heard of this.

 

[Anonymous]

And just what is that, exactly?

Psychological reformation is the practice of re-evaluating someone's dangerous thought process (like having thoughts of suicide and so forth) to find the root cause of such behavior and see if it can be either eliminated through natural progression of reforming the persons outlook on it, or through medication.

Most of the time medication has been used instead of trying the natural process first. I am surprised you have not heard of this.

Why are you surprised that I have not heard about your cult's terminology? What you are actually talking about is called psychotherapy in the real world.

As for medications, when used appropriately and often in conjunction with psychotherapy, they work.

I suggest that you stop attempting to normalise the nonsense you assert by making statements like "I am surprised you have not heard of this". If you don't, I will ban you for trolling.

 

[felixthecoach]

Why are you surprised that I have not heard about your cult's terminology? What you are actually talking about is called psychotherapy in the real world.

As for medications, when used appropriately and often in conjunction with psychotherapy, they work.

I was going to point that out also.

The thing is you're thinking that all mental problem are addressed with medication first when it's much more likely that the treatment will depend on which type of doctor you see first. For example, a Psychologist will probably suggest psychotherapy like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy first while a Psychiatrist might suggest a medication.

The other thing is that good doctors are always open to substituting thier meds for therapy and vice-versa.

Whoever has been telling you that there is no process beyond medication is wrong.


[Edit] I forgot to mention that almost all Psychologists will recognize psychotic disorders and immediately refer them to medical help. There is a major difference in anxiety problems that might be treatable with therapy and medical problems that are only treatable with medication (and possibly some therapy while on medicine).

 

[GoodKat]

People need it, but the establishment is making to much money off of it to allow these things to be known.

But they're fine with other alternative clean energy methods such as wind and solar? Sounds like he's using "everyone's out to get me" as an excuse for failing. Why couldn't the establishment utilize volcanic energy just like any other power source?

Now then that is not what he states; he means the competition based on money and materialistic value is completely false and will not help anything. He never stated that all forms of competitions are bad; however to create a better world it does not take competition but merely the ability to work together. He is advocating that we work together to solve our problems, not compete and elect officials to solve our problems.

An like I said, that is not in agreement with human nature. This "everyone just work together" stuff simply doesn't work, especially on large scales. Greed is bad, but it's reliable.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Why are you surprised that I have not heard about your cult's terminology? What you are actually talking about is called psychotherapy in the real world.

As for medications, when used appropriately and often in conjunction with psychotherapy, they work.

I suggest that you stop attempting to normalise the nonsense you assert by making statements like "I am surprised you have not heard of this". If you don't, I will ban you for trolling.

And why is it a cult? And actually I wasn't sure if I was using the right term. But at any such case; I was just commenting on something I had seen most of my time when being forced to go into a mental institution over a lie of assault my stepmother had stated. They usually did do that and I read reports that in certain mental institutions had done this before. And no I am not trolling; I am just clarifying specific things for what they aren't and I genuinely was surprised.

In all honesty what I was stating was actually what you were talking about.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

An like I said, that is not in agreement with human nature. This "everyone just work together" stuff simply doesn't work, especially on large scales. Greed is bad, but it's reliable.

Human beings can work together and greed cannot be useful under any such circumstance because it comes into the idea where you must do everything in your power to get it. This is why we have so much corruption within the political, judicial and law enforcement establishments and among corporations. Greed is not useful, it is a destructive behavior. But people can work together on large scales, or have you forgotten about the rally during Vietnam? The Civil Rights Movement for minorities within America? If humans are willing to help change the world, then it can happen. It just depends if we can get out of this "it's too far fetched so it won't work mentality.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

I was going to point that out also.

The thing is you're thinking that all mental problem are addressed with medication first when it's much more likely that the treatment will depend on which type of doctor you see first. For example, a Psychologist will probably suggest psychotherapy like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy first while a Psychiatrist might suggest a medication.

The other thing is that good doctors are always open to substituting thier meds for therapy and vice-versa.

Whoever has been telling you that there is no process beyond medication is wrong.


[Edit] I forgot to mention that almost all Psychologists will recognize psychotic disorders and immediately refer them to medical help. There is a major difference in anxiety problems that might be treatable with therapy and medical problems that are only treatable with medication (and possibly some therapy while on medicine).

I was not talking about psychologists in particular, I was talking about institutions that are supposed to be helping people like that but tend to drug them 24/7. Their was even an issue sometime during the 1980s I think it was with the government actually abducting people in the streets and conducting experiments to see how long it would be until the human mind breaks down and goes insane. (it may have been an earlier time, I'm to sure of the exact time line).

Their was a documentary about it though, I'll see if I can find a youtube version of it and post it here.