What are your thoughts on the Venus Project?

[IamtheVOICE123]

But they're fine with other alternative clean energy methods such as wind and solar? Sounds like he's using "everyone's out to get me" as an excuse for failing. Why couldn't the establishment utilize volcanic energy just like any other power source?

The Industries have stock and investments into the forms of energy and the types of oils and repairing kits it takes to keep these types of things up are patented by oil or other industries, or were bought up by the industries providing them. So as long as they have something that can make money and they can still be in business then they view it as fine. But something that comes along, threatens the particular business is immediately ignores because of the potential to put them out of business. This is typical practice among multi-million/billion dollar industry. Ask any law firm that deals in this kind of stuff to confirm it.

 

[GoodKat]

The Industries have stock and investments into the forms of energy and the types of oils and repairing kits it takes to keep these types of things up are patented by oil or other industries, or were bought up by the industries providing them. So as long as they have something that can make money and they can still be in business then they view it as fine. But something that comes along, threatens the particular business is immediately ignores because of the potential to put them out of business. This is typical practice among multi-million/billion dollar industry. Ask any law firm that deals in this kind of stuff to confirm it.

You failed to answer my second question.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

You failed to answer my second question.

I answered it in a second post, unless of course it wasn't clear to me and it seemed like I tap danced around it (and no I'm not being insulting, I'm just being blunt.)

 

[GoodKat]

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I answered it in a second post, unless of course it wasn't clear to me and it seemed like I tap danced around it (and no I'm not being insulting, I'm just being blunt.)

Why couldn't the establishment utilize volcanic energy just like any other power source?

In other words, why can't they do with volcanic energy what they have done with solar and wind.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

In other words, why can't they do with volcanic energy what they have done with solar and wind.

Lack of funding would be one reason, another reason is because Jacque doesn't have access to the people and even the materials that would allow him to build it. Bassically somewhat of the same problem Leonardo Davinci had except in somewhat of a reverse state.

 

[GoodKat]

Lack of funding would be one reason, another reason is because Jacque doesn't have access to the people and even the materials that would allow him to build it. Bassically somewhat of the same problem Leonardo Davinci had except in somewhat of a reverse state.

Gah! I meant the corporations! Why can't the corporation utilize volcanic energy like they have with other new energy sources?

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Gah! I meant the corporations! Why can't the corporation utilize volcanic energy like they have with other new energy sources?

Ah ok then; well most corporations are not in the idea of utilizing something new, they are businesses, their job is to maintain their business. If their is a specific bit of science that can help make them more money, then they will fund it; if they figure it wont, they won't fund it and sometimes even threaten politicians to pull campaign funding if they decide to fund the research.

Corporations make money, scientific findings that don't persue their interest won't get funded. They also have stakes and holdings within certain central government institutions that will fund science, such as the institution that funds for better utilization of energy (I can't remember the name of the institution).

At any rate; that's corporations work, now if they had a scientist within their board instead of lawyers, law makers and lobyists then it may be different; but again it's business.

I know this probably sounds like a conspiracy but it's actually a well known fact in economics through business, but it's something you will only learn practicing it (the only ones who disagree with this are those not in practice in the field).

 

[GoodKat]

Ah ok then; well most corporations are not in the idea of utilizing something new, they are businesses, their job is to maintain their business. If their is a specific bit of science that can help make them more money, then they will fund it; if they figure it wont, they won't fund it and sometimes even threaten politicians to pull campaign funding if they decide to fund the research.

Corporations make money, scientific findings that don't persue their interest won't get funded. They also have stakes and holdings within certain central government institutions that will fund science, such as the institution that funds for better utilization of energy (I can't remember the name of the institution).

At any rate; that's corporations work, now if they had a scientist within their board instead of lawyers, law makers and lobyists then it may be different; but again it's business.

I know this probably sounds like a conspiracy but it's actually a well known fact in economics through business, but it's something you will only learn practicing it (the only ones who disagree with this are those not in practice in the field).

You did it again! What makes volcanic energy so different from other energy sources like wind and solar? What specific aspect of volcanic energy gives it less potential to generate profits for the corporations? Why specifically can corporation utilize solar and wind power to make money, and not volcanic power? No hablas ingles?

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

You did it again! What makes volcanic energy so different from other energy sources like wind and solar? What specific aspect of volcanic energy gives it less potential to generate profits for the corporations? Why specifically can corporation utilize solar and wind power to make money, and not volcanic power? No hablas ingles?

Oh?! I see what your getting at! This is a clear misconception. He was talking about the advanced utilization of geothermal energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power

http://edgeothermal.com/

Jacuqe Fresco is merely stating something that can be utilized more advanced than what is being used now.

 

[GoodKat]

Jacuqe Fresco is merely stating something that can be utilized more advanced than what is being used now.

I really can't make it any more plain than I already have, I give up.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

I really can't make it any more plain than I already have, I give up.

I answered your question, or is their something specific I am not getting? I merely stating it wasn't utilizing lava, it is the advancement of what geothermal energy can go without relying solely on money. I mean is their something I am not getting here? But I suppose I will answer your question.

The reason why it is not being funded much is because of lack of technology, lack of materials currently available and the fact of money. If something cannot be made profitable now, then it will not be made until the resources will be made. If Geothermal can take off like I may predict with advance science, then it is incredible. To your question about why the energy is so special, is because this energy can be tapable very easily with the right utilization of technology, it is clean, renewable, and uses the heat of magma below the earth crust so it can essentially run forever (as long as the core remains heated). Their is an outline of this within Addendum of how powerful this kind of energy can be but it's clearly an understatement. The only thing that it lacks is location, technology, repairing and funding. We eliminate money the technology for it will sky rocket, reducing the need for repairs and even the need for simple location. Was their anything else you wanted to ask?

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I really can't make it any more plain than I already have, I give up.

I'm with you... you can't out-argue crazy. You just can't!

 

[GoodKat]

The reason why it is not being funded much is because of lack of technology, lack of materials currently available ... The only thing that it lacks is location, technology, repairing and funding.

That's what I was looking for. This whole time you seemed to be implying that the technology for this already existed.

We eliminate money the technology for it will sky rocket, reducing the need for repairs and even the need for simple location.

So basically you want a communist government that re-educates its citizens? Perhaps you should move to north korea.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

So basically you want a communist government that re-educates its citizens? Perhaps you should move to north korea.

I have no idea where you got that idea from. Please elaborate.

 

[GoodKat]

I have no idea where you got that idea from. Please elaborate.

Well no money, everyone cooperates, that's basically communism. Reeducation would appear to be the only way to stop people from behaving selfishly.

I have to go to bed, I'll be back tomorrow.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Well no money, everyone cooperates, that's basically communism. Reeducation would appear to be the only way to stop people from behaving selfishly.

I have to go to bed, I'll be back tomorrow.

Ah I can see where your coming from here. Communism still uses a form of government for control and a monetary based system as well.

It is the idea that human beings can work together and have an incentive without the use of money. Because money is a form of artificial incentive. It is subjective and thus we don't need a form of subjective incentive.

 

[richi1173]

I think the Venus Project presenting itself to the masses with the Zeitgeist logo in Zeitgeist Addendum is bad publicity. The first thing that comes to mind when one hears the word "Zeitgeist" is "loon".

With that being said, here's my question.

Is the Zeitgeist movement a completely different thing than the ideas presented in the movie Zeitgeist, especially when it comes to the first movie?

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

I think the Venus Project presenting itself to the masses with the Zeitgeist logo in Zeitgeist Addendum is bad publicity. The first thing that comes to mind when one hears the word "Zeitgeist" is "loon".

With that being said, here's my question.

Is the Zeitgeist movement a completely different thing than the ideas presented in the movie Zeitgeist, especially when it comes to the first movie?

Well some people within the Movement are skeptical of the claims that were made in the first movie still. And they are still doing a lot of research to validate it. Most of the Movement is about is getting everyone informed about the current state of technology, how our way of life and infrastructure based upon money, materialism, glamor and wealth is a false society and giving inton the false ego (or the false self).

We must also embrace technology as our savior as it is the main reason why our lives are so easy and not money or religion. Religion has it's uses for helping that are afraid of the unknown. And money is a form of artificial incentive and is not needed. The need to build a better world for our generation and future generations is incentive enough. Money is a byproduct of symbolism and subjective wealth and is not real.

Also our form of society will adhear to a sort of equilibrium between man, technology and nature. Where we can harness the resources of nature like Tidal, Geothermal, and Solar Energy; and create incredibly efficient ways to make things. We also view that the Free Market philosophy while a reasonable philosophy is flawed as it induces greed, social stratification, continuous corruption by pollution to increase and maximize profit and even putting people into sweat shop factories to help increase the companies pockets.

That being said; we consider the idea that a society that will be guided by science, technology and social cyber engineering would greatly benefit man kind (and yes their is a possibility of human cybernetic engineering within this society but that is way off for now).

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I think the Venus Project presenting itself to the masses with the Zeitgeist logo in Zeitgeist Addendum is bad publicity. The first thing that comes to mind when one hears the word "Zeitgeist" is "loon".

With that being said, here's my question.

Is the Zeitgeist movement a completely different thing than the ideas presented in the movie Zeitgeist, especially when it comes to the first movie?

If it is different, why are they eager to associate themselves with a popular bit of stupidity, filled with lies that only the most gullible of fools believe?

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

If it is different, why are they eager to associate themselves with a popular bit of stupidity, filled with lies that only the most gullible of fools believe?

You know, I am really getting tired of your constant ad hominems and not giving any reason why you think that. I mean why all the constant ad hominems and yet nothing you put forth seems to make any sense about cults; movements, or basic logic about the occult.

I have thought about blocking you; but it will only give you a reason to just complain to the admins of the site although I am reconsidering it.