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Dogma's Reprise said:Rrrright, your double standards are showing again. Isn't it strange that you have manifested no objection whatsoever to some of the other statements made in this thread such as "Israel is a crazy country. Fuck them"?
It isn't a double standard; Israel can fuck off. They (as a country) deserve as little respect as they give. Don't care for international laws or the views of the international community? Fine, why should the international community give a fuck about you?
Dogma's Reprise said:Honestly, I'm not surprised Israel ignores those UN resolutions, when the UN's Human Rights Council is continually tainted by countries that don't know the meaning of human rights
We're not talking about the UNHRC; Israel ignores both the General Assembly and Security Council. If you are under the impression that they are the same thing, well, that's hilarious.
As a member state, Israel is bound under Article 25 of the United Nations Charter to agree, accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council, but they don't.
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter5.shtml
Dogma's Reprise said:The UN is a joke these days
The resolutions go all the way back to Israel's genesis. That "argument" is weak sauce.
Dogma's Reprise said:Apartheid... Do you know what that is?
Yes, I'm old enough to remember it.
Dogma's Reprise said:It's basically a policy of segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa decades ago. Blacks didn't have the same rights, interracial marriage was banned, there were zones restricted based on race, heck even restrooms were separate for blacks and whites.
Although I concede the analogy isn't perfect, it's really not too far off.
Here's the views of someone with some direct experience:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/29/comment
Dogma's Reprise said:Nothing of this sort exists in Israel.
Yep, nothing. Nothing at all of that sort exists in Israel. Nada. Zip. Oh wait...
http://elyon1.court.gov.il/heb/veadot/or/inside_index.htm
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0309/S00048.htm
Dogma's Reprise said:20% of the population is Arab and they have equal rights and this is not just theory, they can even hold important positions such as judge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Karra - It was an Arab judge among 3 judges that convicted a former Israeli president (Moshe Katsav) of rape. Hmmm, nobody seemed bothered right?
Ooh, you found an instance of an Arab judge! Well done you! Read the Or commission's report (the link above). It took three years and categorically disputes your assertion, so it's only right that you familiarise yourself with it.
Not that I expect you to take it into consideration...
Dogma's Reprise said:Funny that you mentioned the wall around Israel as something bad.
Ask a German if building a wall is bad.
Dogma's Reprise said:Is the Mexican border an "apartheid" or "oppression" or whatever you want to call it?
Risible comparison.
Dogma's Reprise said:No, it's just a border and it was meant to keep suicidal fuckers out and other terrorists.
The Mexican border was meant to keep out suicidal fuckers and other terrorists? Please, Dogma's second coming, tell us the tale of how the Mexican border was put in place to keep suicidal fuckers and other terrorists out. Remember, it's been there for quite some time.
Dogma's Reprise said:How about the real apartheid in Muslim countries, where Palestinians are not given the same treatment as other immigrants or refugees (they can't become citizens, their children can't become citizens, they can't work in many professions, they don't have healthcare etc.) because those countries want to artificially maintain their "Palestinian identity", thereby fueling the conflict for future generations to come?
This thread is about Israel. Feel free to start a thread about the fuckery of Lebanon.
Dogma's Reprise said:Look dude, this conflict exists because in 1948, the Arabs didn't accept the partitioning of the land and went to war.
Actually, it's far more complex than that. I don't have the time to write an essay about it, but it will suffice to say that neither side accepted the other.
Dogma's Reprise said:I don't see how there can be peace with the likes of Hamas and Fatah in power. Israel lays down its weapons and these fuckers will only grow stronger and continue their terrorist and warmongering activities.
The exact reverse can be stated as fact too; of the many ceasefires, both sides have reignited hostilities.
As Joe has already said, Israel is supposed to be a modern, secular, democratic nation, but they repeatedly ignore international laws and UN security council rulings, continually reinforce the hatred against them, have a second-class citizenry, and disregard almost all criticism.