This is going to give atheists nightmares

[abelcainsbrother]

Your old atheist talking points are going to changed because of scientific evidence of life after death.We've been telling you this for along time.Ya'll did a number on us with studies pointing out,no impact of prayer for patients.

Well here ya go. Read it and weep.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-after-death-largestever-study-provides-evidence-that-out-of-body-and-neardeath-experiences-may-actually-be-real-9780195.html

As a Christian I don't want you to go to hell.I want you to be in heaven with Jesus and he is the only way you can go but I can't and won't jump through hoops to get you to believe in Jesus,nobody had to prove he was real when I was first asked if I wanted to be saved by Jesus.I said yes and he saved me the moment I asked him to in prayer and I have never forgotten how it changed me.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

 

[Gnug215]

Your old atheist talking points are going to changed because of scientific evidence of life after death.We've been telling you this for along time.Ya'll did a number on us with studies pointing out,no impact of prayer for patients.

Well here ya go. Read it and weep.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-after-death-largestever-study-provides-evidence-that-out-of-body-and-neardeath-experiences-may-actually-be-real-9780195.html

As a Christian I don't want you to go to hell.I want you to be in heaven with Jesus and he is the only way you can go but I can't and won't jump through hoops to get you to believe in Jesus,nobody had to prove he was real when I was first asked if I wanted to be saved by Jesus.I said yes and he saved me the moment I asked him to in prayer and I have never forgotten how it changed me.

As a non-Christian, I want you to learn to read articles, not just the headlines.

As a non-Christian, I want to you not be SO INCREDIBLY, DISHONESTLY SELECTIVE of the articles you DO seem to read (... the headlines of.)
Maybe take some time to look into the hundreds of thousands of articles that support evolution, instead of stuff like this, with misleading headlines (well, mostly just misleading to people like you, apparently) that seem to support your unsubstantiated, unsupported worldview.

So yeah, I read it, and I ALMOST wept at how obtuse you have proven yourself to be once again.

Nice going, Mr. As-A-Christian.

 

[Visaki]

Your old atheist talking points are going to changed because of scientific evidence of life after death.We've been telling you this for along time.Ya'll did a number on us with studies pointing out,no impact of prayer for patients.

Well here ya go. Read it and weep.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-after-death-largestever-study-provides-evidence-that-out-of-body-and-neardeath-experiences-may-actually-be-real-9780195.html

As a Christian I don't want you to go to hell.I want you to be in heaven with Jesus and he is the only way you can go but I can't and won't jump through hoops to get you to believe in Jesus,nobody had to prove he was real when I was first asked if I wanted to be saved by Jesus.I said yes and he saved me the moment I asked him to in prayer and I have never forgotten how it changed me.

Nope, not given me nightmares thus far. And I'll tell you why. It's one article on a newspaper that doesn't even identify the name of the study it talks about. What a let down. The say you've written about it I'd expect a Nature or Lancet article by the best in their fields. Furthermore so what if people are having out-of-body and near-death experiences? Until you can prove that those things are truly manifestations of the consciousness leaving it's physical restraints what we have are just experiences that we have no explanation for. Well actually we do know that the human brain can manufacture memories that one can not distinguish from "real" ones and that hypoxia can cause hallusinations. What I'd like to see is a good clinical double blind trial about the subject. Surely that can't by too much to ask?

But further than that, if we find out, and can somehow scientifically prove, that the consciousness isn't tied to the physical brain and can leave it in situations of great stress that only means that the consciousness isn't tied to the physical brain and can leave it in situations of great stress. Not that a god, or your particular God, exists, or even that there is an actual afterlife.

 

[SpecialFrog]

Your old atheist talking points are going to changed because of scientific evidence of life after death.We've been telling you this for along time.Ya'll did a number on us with studies pointing out,no impact of prayer for patients.

Well here ya go. Read it and weep.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-after-death-largestever-study-provides-evidence-that-out-of-body-and-neardeath-experiences-may-actually-be-real-9780195.html

Abel, thanks for posting this. I'd been tracking this study (the AWARE project) but then it concluded and hadn't announced or published anything so I lost track.

However, now I see why there were no announcements sooner.

This study set forth fairly reasonable -- though still potentially gameable -- objective criteria for validating that near-death patients were actually leaving their bodies and observing things they couldn't otherwise have seen. And it is clear from their publication that they got no hits under those terms.

So now they are falling back to documenting spooky-sounding subjective experiences as recalled by the patient at a later date.

More on this here:

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/aware-results-finally-published-no-evidence-of-nde/

A good rule of thumb is to be the most critical of claims you would like to be true.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Your old atheist talking points are going to changed because of scientific evidence of life after death.We've been telling you this for along time.Ya'll did a number on us with studies pointing out,no impact of prayer for patients.

Well here ya go. Read it and weep.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-after-death-largestever-study-provides-evidence-that-out-of-body-and-neardeath-experiences-may-actually-be-real-9780195.html

Abel, thanks for posting this. I'd been tracking this study (the AWARE project) but then it concluded and hadn't announced or published anything so I lost track.

However, now I see why there were no announcements sooner.

This study set forth fairly reasonable -- though still potentially gameable -- objective criteria for validating that near-death patients were actually leaving their bodies and observing things they couldn't otherwise have seen. And it is clear from their publication that they got no hits under those terms.

So now they are falling back to documenting spooky-sounding subjective experiences as recalled by the patient at a later date.

More on this here:

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/aware-results-finally-published-no-evidence-of-nde/

A good rule of thumb is to be the most critical of claims you would like to be true.

Yes I've been trying to keep track of it myself and I understand that the lead person in this study is an agnostic and was very skeptical at first but is now convinced near-death experiences are real and so now he is not allowed to speak at atheist speaking engagements.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Your old atheist talking points are going to changed because of scientific evidence of life after death.We've been telling you this for along time.Ya'll did a number on us with studies pointing out,no impact of prayer for patients.

Well here ya go. Read it and weep.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-after-death-largestever-study-provides-evidence-that-out-of-body-and-neardeath-experiences-may-actually-be-real-9780195.html

As a Christian I don't want you to go to hell.I want you to be in heaven with Jesus and he is the only way you can go but I can't and won't jump through hoops to get you to believe in Jesus,nobody had to prove he was real when I was first asked if I wanted to be saved by Jesus.I said yes and he saved me the moment I asked him to in prayer and I have never forgotten how it changed me.

As a non-Christian, I want you to learn to read articles, not just the headlines.

As a non-Christian, I want to you not be SO INCREDIBLY, DISHONESTLY SELECTIVE of the articles you DO seem to read (... the headlines of.)
Maybe take some time to look into the hundreds of thousands of articles that support evolution, instead of stuff like this, with misleading headlines (well, mostly just misleading to people like you, apparently) that seem to support your unsubstantiated, unsupported worldview.

So yeah, I read it, and I ALMOST wept at how obtuse you have proven yourself to be once again.

Nice going, Mr. As-A-Christian.

I did read it but this has nothing to do with evolution and if you want me to believe all of that evidence for evolution built on the assumption life evolves,then tell scientists to demonstrate life evolves instead of using reproduction or adaptation as evidence.It is people like you misleading people not me.It is a fact that not one scientist has demonstrated life evolves and so none of the evidence is worth much because it is all built on an assumption life evolves.You may believe life evolves but there is no evidence that demonstrates it does.You just refuse to admit it for some reason.Who is misleading people? People preaching about God and how the bible is true or preachers preaching evolution is true and using reproduction and adaptation as evidence.

Unless you get serious about the truth you're going to be easily mislead.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Some people are just not going to believe in God no matter what evidence you put in front of them.I am not saying this proves God is real because it is evidence of life after death.But atheists can ignore it,until they die.

 

[SpecialFrog]

Some people are just not going to believe in God no matter what evidence you put in front of them.I am not saying this proves God is real because it is evidence of life after death.But atheists can ignore it,until they die.

I gather you didn't actually read my response or the article I linked. This study is not evidence of life after death. They set out clear criteria and did not get any incidents that met it.

All they got was one unconvincing story.

As for your claim that Sam Parnia has been banned from Atheist conventions, I suspect it is total nonsense. Do you have a link to back it up?

 

[Gnug215]

I did read it but this has nothing to do with evolution and if you want me to believe all of that evidence for evolution built on the assumption life evolves,then tell scientists to demonstrate life evolves instead of using reproduction or adaptation as evidence.It is people like you misleading people not me.It is a fact that not one scientist has demonstrated life evolves and so none of the evidence is worth much because it is all built on an assumption life evolves.You may believe life evolves but there is no evidence that demonstrates it does.You just refuse to admit it for some reason.Who is misleading people? People preaching about God and how the bible is true or preachers preaching evolution is true and using reproduction and adaptation as evidence.

Unless you get serious about the truth you're going to be easily mislead.

Look, let's call a spade a spade here. You have severe problems writing in comprehensive manner, which makes me suspect you have problems with reading comprehension as well. It's certainly something you've demonstrated in here numerous times. You've also demonstrated a lack of "scientific literacy". Many times. So many times. Basically in every post you've made. So it comes to no surprise to me that you got something completely out of the article than the rest of us.

The article says NOTHING WHATSOEVER about an afterlife, about religion, about God, or Jesus. Nothing. How on earth did you manage to fish out support for your warped worldview out of it?
Never mind, you don't need to answer that.
The article talks about a phenomenon of the brain as it is shutting down, and how it may last longer than previously thought, thus giving even more support to a natural, scientific, non-religious, non-superstitious explanation about these so-called out-of-body and near-death experiences, that some people for some reason think supports religion.
The article basically works against you and your position, and somehow you're unable to see that.


And it doesn't have anything to do with evolution? Not directly, but it has everything to do with what I pointed out about you being biased and basing your entire worldview on faith, not evidence. You've accused us of this, but you're the one who's clearly most guilty of it.
Your sentence about the assumptions of evolution makes no sense, so I'm not really sure what to say about it, other than the fact that science has the evidence, and you're the one refusing to see it.
You'll deny that, of course, and it will just be my word against yours on that matter, but one fact remains: You're scientifically illiterate. You've demonstrated this many times in here, so what sounds more reasonable? That all the scientists, who are actually scientifically literate, and... you know... smart, Intelligent, educated people, are wrong? Or that you, a scientifically illiterate, admittedly religious (hence, biased) person, who even has problems forming coherent posts is wrong?

And may I remind you that you have made no actual logical, scientifically sound, reasonable arguments to support your position in here?

So yeah, who is misleading people? Well, you are. You are calling evolutionists "preachers", conflating them with "your own", as if unwittingly admitting that "preaching" is inherently a bad thing, and since your side is doing it, then you have to drag our side down to your level.
That's misleading right there.
It is also misleading for you to claim that evolution is based on assumption, and that there is no evidence for it.

And since you're not intellectually capable of grasping it, but still running your mouth about it, well, that's pretty much misleading, too.

The article is not going to give me, or any atheists, nightmares.
No, what really gives me nightmares is that there are people out there, actively fighting against science and progress due to warped and illogical beliefs, and who are too dense and stubborn to see it.

 

[Collecemall]

Yes I've been trying to keep track of it myself and I understand that the lead person in this study is an agnostic and was very skeptical at first but is now convinced near-death experiences are real and so now he is not allowed to speak at atheist speaking engagements.

Sources please.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Yes I've been trying to keep track of it myself and I understand that the lead person in this study is an agnostic and was very skeptical at first but is now convinced near-death experiences are real and so now he is not allowed to speak at atheist speaking engagements.

Sources please.

Dr Sam Parnia was speaking at atheist\skeptic conferences just a few years ago,he and Lommel went into this study with great skepticism but now are convinced near death experiences are real so much so that they have the funding for Aware 2.And Lommel was miss characterized in a book written by a professor of neuroscience in which she claimed there is a material neural explanation and that Lommel agreed with her.

Here check out this interview where it is pointed out to her that Lommel does not agree with her.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7a6ZaivvCnE&feature=youtu.be

 

[abelcainsbrother]

The problem is this kind of science is not in the Universities and probably won't be for along time,if ever.Universities don't want to teach students this kind of science and more is to be discovered.Do atheists really believe their self when they claim they'd believe based on evidence? I'm skeptical.It does not fit into the materialists agenda in Universities so you're going to have to do the research yourself if you want to understand it.

 

[tuxbox]

Your old atheist talking points are going to changed because of scientific evidence of life after death.We've been telling you this for along time.Ya'll did a number on us with studies pointing out,no impact of prayer for patients.

Well here ya go. Read it and weep.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-after-death-largestever-study-provides-evidence-that-out-of-body-and-neardeath-experiences-may-actually-be-real-9780195.html

As a Christian I don't want you to go to hell.I want you to be in heaven with Jesus and he is the only way you can go but I can't and won't jump through hoops to get you to believe in Jesus,nobody had to prove he was real when I was first asked if I wanted to be saved by Jesus.I said yes and he saved me the moment I asked him to in prayer and I have never forgotten how it changed me.

I died for about 30 secs back in Feb 2014. No white light, no family members waiting for me and no heaven or hell. Just nothingness. It was quite peaceful.

 

[ldmitruk]

Your old atheist talking points are going to changed because of scientific evidence of life after death.We've been telling you this for along time.Ya'll did a number on us with studies pointing out,no impact of prayer for patients.

Well here ya go. Read it and weep.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-after-death-largestever-study-provides-evidence-that-out-of-body-and-neardeath-experiences-may-actually-be-real-9780195.html

As a Christian I don't want you to go to hell.I want you to be in heaven with Jesus and he is the only way you can go but I can't and won't jump through hoops to get you to believe in Jesus,nobody had to prove he was real when I was first asked if I wanted to be saved by Jesus.I said yes and he saved me the moment I asked him to in prayer and I have never forgotten how it changed me.

I died for about 30 secs back in Feb 2014. No white light, no family members waiting for me and no heaven or hell. Just nothingness. It was quite peaceful.

Was it peaceful because there was no drivel from ABC to read :lol:

 

[tuxbox]

Was it peaceful because there was no drivel from ABC to read :lol:

lol

 

[Gnug215]

The problem is this kind of science is not in the Universities and probably won't be for along time,if ever.Universities don't want to teach students this kind of science and more is to be discovered.Do atheists really believe their self when they claim they'd believe based on evidence? I'm skeptical.It does not fit into the materialists agenda in Universities so you're going to have to do the research yourself if you want to understand it.

More baseless speculation.

You keep talking about atheists, what they think, what they will do or will not do, what they're feeling, as if you're inside their heads. Well, you aren't, so get a grip!

And you also keep talking about atheists and their beliefs, and how "bad" they are for believing. I'm really starting to think that you have incredible low thoughts about yourself and your beliefs, maybe unwittingly realising how baseless your beliefs really are, which results in you constantly trying to pull atheists and scientists down to your own level, where belief and faith are what guides your worldview.

Stop trying to pull the rest of us down to your level!

 

[SpecialFrog]

The problem is this kind of science is not in the Universities and probably won't be for along time,if ever.Universities don't want to teach students this kind of science and more is to be discovered.

Science funding has a definite bias towards science that has delivered results. Why would universities fund research into areas that have consistently failed to discover anything? AWARE was a massive study that returned a negative result (i.e. no data to support the central claim). Why spend more money on it?

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

The problem is this kind of science is not in the Universities and probably won't be for along time,if ever.Universities don't want to teach students this kind of science and more is to be discovered.Do atheists really believe their self when they claim they'd believe based on evidence? I'm skeptical.It does not fit into the materialists agenda in Universities so you're going to have to do the research yourself if you want to understand it.

The problem is that on the contrary, near death experience is well understood. There is no unknown mechanics at work there.
This sort of thing does not get funded for the same reason that they don't fund research on how demons cause diseases or where does the sun go when it dives into the sea. It's because it's stupid, and we are way past that.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

I did read it but this has nothing to do with evolution and if you want me to believe all of that evidence for evolution built on the assumption life evolves,then tell scientists to demonstrate life evolves instead of using reproduction or adaptation as evidence.It is people like you misleading people not me.It is a fact that not one scientist has demonstrated life evolves and so none of the evidence is worth much because it is all built on an assumption life evolves.You may believe life evolves but there is no evidence that demonstrates it does.You just refuse to admit it for some reason.Who is misleading people? People preaching about God and how the bible is true or preachers preaching evolution is true and using reproduction and adaptation as evidence.

Unless you get serious about the truth you're going to be easily mislead.

Look, let's call a spade a spade here. You have severe problems writing in comprehensive manner, which makes me suspect you have problems with reading comprehension as well. It's certainly something you've demonstrated in here numerous times. You've also demonstrated a lack of "scientific literacy". Many times. So many times. Basically in every post you've made. So it comes to no surprise to me that you got something completely out of the article than the rest of us.

The article says NOTHING WHATSOEVER about an afterlife, about religion, about God, or Jesus. Nothing. How on earth did you manage to fish out support for your warped worldview out of it?
Never mind, you don't need to answer that.
The article talks about a phenomenon of the brain as it is shutting down, and how it may last longer than previously thought, thus giving even more support to a natural, scientific, non-religious, non-superstitious explanation about these so-called out-of-body and near-death experiences, that some people for some reason think supports religion.
The article basically works against you and your position, and somehow you're unable to see that.


And it doesn't have anything to do with evolution? Not directly, but it has everything to do with what I pointed out about you being biased and basing your entire worldview on faith, not evidence. You've accused us of this, but you're the one who's clearly most guilty of it.
Your sentence about the assumptions of evolution makes no sense, so I'm not really sure what to say about it, other than the fact that science has the evidence, and you're the one refusing to see it.
You'll deny that, of course, and it will just be my word against yours on that matter, but one fact remains: You're scientifically illiterate. You've demonstrated this many times in here, so what sounds more reasonable? That all the scientists, who are actually scientifically literate, and... you know... smart, Intelligent, educated people, are wrong? Or that you, a scientifically illiterate, admittedly religious (hence, biased) person, who even has problems forming coherent posts is wrong?

And may I remind you that you have made no actual logical, scientifically sound, reasonable arguments to support your position in here?

So yeah, who is misleading people? Well, you are. You are calling evolutionists "preachers", conflating them with "your own", as if unwittingly admitting that "preaching" is inherently a bad thing, and since your side is doing it, then you have to drag our side down to your level.
That's misleading right there.
It is also misleading for you to claim that evolution is based on assumption, and that there is no evidence for it.

And since you're not intellectually capable of grasping it, but still running your mouth about it, well, that's pretty much misleading, too.

The article is not going to give me, or any atheists, nightmares.
No, what really gives me nightmares is that there are people out there, actively fighting against science and progress due to warped and illogical beliefs, and who are too dense and stubborn to see it.

I just posted a link about NDE's and you think I'm trying to God is real or that this points to a God?I made no assertion of that.You post a link against this study that I read but you're only want to believe them and you can but this is peer reviewed science you are rejecting so the link you posted is just anti-NDE and you choose to believe it.

I give evidence for my faith all the time on here you denying it doesn't change it,but I do.And you choose to believe lies thinking science has demonstrated life evolves but this thread is not about evolution.

This is peer reviewed science in favor of NDE's being real,you act like them getting the funding for Aware 2 is no big deal but then you ignore that the leaders of this study are atheists who do not believe in God and are not Christians or religious but they are convinced NDE's are real now.
You don't seem phased at all that based on this science it could be evidence of life after death which flies in the face of materialism. I mean you can deny it but this is science and it is interesting.

Not one person on here ever provided evidence that demonstrates life evolves but it doesn't matter to you,you believe scientists and ignore what the evidence shows then expect me to accept all of the other evidence built on the assumption life evolves.

As a matter of fact you will ignore the evidence that comes out about NDE's because it does not fit into your world view because atheists ignore evidence which is why they believe there is scientific evidence that demonstrates life evolves and yet you see atheists everywhere online preaching evolution is true and using science to try to prove the bible wrong,you're living under a rock if you don't see it for it is right here all over the place so your intellectually dishonesty does not fly.We know exactly what atheists think and believe.