Prolescum
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Dogma's Demise said:Well it was dishonest, I mean think critically now, the meaning of that sentence changes when you take it out of the discussion and when you don't include the previous sentence. So can you be honest and admit it was a partial quote-mine or not?
No, I think that your quote (not quote-mine) is deserving of a place on FSTDT. As a mod over at your discussion thread[sup][linky][/sup] says
Sandman said:Your explanation just explains the fundieness. [. . .] You are proposing trading the free speech of the people for privileged speech for yourself and those you agree with. Now THAT'S some tasty fundie right there. Bravo! Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson, and Glen[n] Beck would applaud your efforts to establish a precedent they can use.
It is not dishonest in the slightest.
Dogma's Demise said:Also, can you at least concede that this cultural center has not really been successful at establishing "inter-faith dialog", that some of the victims' relatives did not take it too kindly.
Sure if you like (I can't be bothered to check), but whether or not that is true, the blame for that can hardly be laid solely at their feet. Arguments like yours on the other hand...
What does this concession matter anyway?
Dogma's Demise said:Can you also concede on a point of etiquette, you shouldn't piss people off by reminding them (whether accidentally or intentionally) of the tragedy they've been through?
They being the Muslim families of the Muslim victims of 9/11?
And finally, can you also concede that 9/11 would have almost certainly never happened if not for Islam?
Will I concede that terrorists of some other ilk wouldn't have had a penchant for Hollywood-style theatricality? No, because Hollywood is all-pervasive. Seriously now, it was the culmination of a long chain of events that leads back the best part of a century so yes, the actual event would not have happened if these Muslim men had been Buddhist, or if the Russians hadn't invaded Afghanistan, or if the Saudis had rejected requests by America to host bases etc...
Again, why does this concession matter?
So can I assume that you are not willing to go through your argument step by step with us using the standards given in the video?