I DARE ANY atheists answer my simple Question !!!!

[ImprobableJoe]

I for one, as an atheist, accept atheism to mean, "The belief in no god," because it at least shows I'm capable of belief, which can infer that I'm capable of understanding. When we say something lacks a belief, this doesn't really mean anything beyond what we can induce about the person saying it.

Small sidetrack...

See, I come at it from the opposite direction. I lack belief in a "god" in part because I don't understand the concept, and as near as I can tell neither do the believers. And frankly that calls into question how much they can really believe in something that they don't understand and can't come to an agreement about. As I told a guy a few months ago when he discovered that I'm an atheist, "As soon as you and the rest of the believers can agree on a definition, you can start trying to convince me. Until then, STFU!"

If the people who already believe in the general concept can't come to any sort of consensus view on the specifics, I tell you that there's no way I can possibly believe it. I can't say it isn't there, because no one even has a consistent, agreed-upon definition of what it is!

 

[Nogre]

My normal state of being is not believing in something. It takes proof for me to believe in it. No god has any legitimate proof behind it, so I don't believe. It's as simple as that.

You missed me, Waza-Minooo44. Silence is compliance so answer this logic or agree I'm right.

 

[bruhaha2]

If the people who already believe in the general concept can't come to any sort of consensus view on the specifics, I tell you that there's no way I can possibly believe it. I can't say it isn't there, because no one even has a consistent, agreed-upon definition of what it is!

Well, as far as the definition of God goes, I accept the objective definition of it being, "a being that created everything". Beyond that, I don't care what a God is as I hold any sense of a belief in a being like Hercules or Venus more of the like a belief in ghosts or spirits or whatever.

That's just me though.

 

[nemesiss]

i think this recent video of aronra pretty sums up the situation, to some extend

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

He's clearly plugging everything into google translate, reading what arabic it spits out, and then refuting the google translated arabic--in arabic--to google translate--back to english. It's why he criticizes words like unbefuckingleivable. It's not because he is being pedantic or facetious, it literally spits out the same word and he doesn't know what it means.

HAHAHA :lol: Of course i expect even more from atheists because they don't use their rationality and intellegent . Do you know if i use Arabic it won't give proper meaning at all do you know why ?? because Arabic and Hebrew and Aramaic ( mainly the semitic languages) they start from the right not from the left ( like English ) so if i use google translation it won't give proper meaning at all . All what i'm using is

http://dictionary.reference.com/

disbelief means:

"to have no belief in; refuse or reject belief in"

Thankx you made the argument easy !!!

disbelief means:

"to have no belief in; refuse or reject belief in"

Here are some factual errors from your video about '19'.

Do you call this one Error ?? or unless you are blind !

Halley's comet's orbit varies and will take between 75-76 years to be observable from Earth. 75 is not divisible by 19

Halley's Comet Statistics
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/halley.htm


Perihelion distance: 0.587 AU
Orbital eccentricity: 0.967
Orbital inclination: 162.24,°
Orbital period: 76.0 years [ 19*4]
Next perihelion: 2061
Diameter: 16 x 8 x 8 km

YOU WANT TO ARGUE if i bring to you the most precise accurate reading YOU WON'T BELIEVE you are acting like the Jews in the time of Jesus . when Jesus show his miracles , what do you expect did they believe ??? No they say this miracle is just Magic .


[ Quran 5:110]
Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

The human body has 206 bones, and not 209. 206 is also not divisible by 19.

There are 209 bones in the human body (19 x 11), not 206; the coccyx is usually considered one bone, however it consits of 4 fused bones.

The alignment of the Sun, Earth, and Moon shown in the video indicated a total lunar eclipse. These occur frequently, there were two in 2007, one in 2008, and the next is due in mid December next year. They are not 19 years apart.

http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/nodes/nodes.htm
he Eclipse Year. It was discovered by the Chaldeans that after 18 years 11-1/3 days (or 18 years, 10-1/3 days if the interval contained five leap years), the Nodes have prescribed 19 revolutions relative to the Sun/Nodal conjunctions (or 19 Eclipse Years), at which time, the Sun and Moon will have returned to almost exactly the same positions relative to the Nodes.

On a side note, i read somewhere that the latest Harry Potter book had a code based around the number 24.

that book based on 24 which is even number this is not miracle and by the way he had pen and pencil and computer and KNOWLEDGE this is not miracle the miracle is with PRIME NUMBER which is indivisible only by one or by it self in addition to this imagine illiterate man he doesn't know read nor write , he got no paper and no pen and he is
keeping counting every word "GOD"[ God is mentioned in the whole quran 2698(19*142)] in the quran
for 23 years THE busiest MAN IN HISTORY ! the polytheist give him no peace , the Christians
give him no peace , the Jews they give him no peace , his own family they give him no peace
and he is creating nation and Empire and religion !!! and he is keeping counting and at one stage
he had 8 Wifes !


[Michael Hart in 'The 100, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons In History]

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the worlds most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the secular and religious level. ...It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity. ...It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history."

now explain it to me how did he do it ???

Since you want to be pedantic, the heavens aren't full of paths. There is no path being followed in space, these bodies are just behaving according to the process we observe as gravity. They would only be seen to follow a path through terrestrial observation

Hm, the sky is a roof? Well, in an allegorical sense it could be, but I don't see the sky being withheld from them. Apparently followers of islam don't feel it's a sin to use airplanes ( Sorry I *had* to )

Thankx you quote Mircale in the quran :mrgreen:


"We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs.."
(The Qur'an, 21:32)

http://www.missionislam.com/science/book.htm
The magnetosphere layer, formed by the magnetic field of the Earth, serves as a shield protecting the earth from celestial bodies, harmful cosmic rays and particles. In the above picture, this magnetosphere layer, which is also named Van Allen Belts, is seen. These belts at thousands of kilometres above the earth protect the living things on the Earth from the fatal energy that would otherwise reach it from space.

All these scientific findings prove that the world is protected in a very particular way. The important thing is that this protection was made known in the Qur'an in the verse "We made the sky a preserved and protected roof" 1,400 years ago.

It is not only the atmosphere that protects the Earth from harmful effects. In addition to the atmosphere, the Van Allen Belt, a layer caused by the magnetic field of the Earth, also serves as a shield against the harmful radiation that threatens our planet. This radiation, which is constantly emitted by the Sun and other stars, is deadly to living things. If the Van Allen belt did not exist, the massive outbursts of energy called solar flares that frequently occur in the Sun would destroy all life on Earth.

Dr. Hugh Ross has this to say on the importance of Van Allen Belts to our lives:

In fact, the Earth has the highest density of any of the planets in our Solar System. This large nickel-iron core is responsible for our large magnetic field. This magnetic field produces the Van-Allen radiation shield, which protects the Earth from radiation bombardment. If this shield were not present, life would not be possible on the Earth. The only other rocky planet to have any magnetic field is Mercury - but its field strength is 100 times less than the Earth's. Even Venus, our sister planet, has no magnetic field. The Van-Allen radiation shield is a design unique to the Earth.(1)

The energy transmitted in just one of these bursts detected in recent years was calculated to be equivalent to 100 billion atomic bombs similar to the one dropped on Hiroshima. Fifty-eight hours after the burst, it was observed that the magnetic needles of compasses displayed unusual movement and 250 kilometers above the earth's atmosphere, the temperature suddenly increased to 2,500,° C.

In short, a perfect system is at work high above the Earth. It surrounds our world and protects it against external threats. Scientists only learned about it recently, yet centuries ago, God informed us in the Qur'an of the world's atmosphere functioning as a protective shield.

Oh, so scientifically accurate here--human beings are nothing but a lump of mud, transformed magically into sperm growing in the woman's womb, which is just a safe lodging to it. That pretty much falls well in line with islam misogynism

Professor he will explain it to you NOW LISTEN TO THE lecture

Hm, you can only be successful if you honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him? How intolerant and narrow-minded. At least they admit that mohammed was an illiterate crazy person ( you know, a prophet )

that crazy person you are talking about is THE GREATEST MAN IN HISTORY :mrgreen:

[Alphonse de LaMartaine in 'Historie de la Turquie,' Paris, 1854.]
"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astonishing results are the three criteria of a human genius, who could dare compare any great man in history with Muhammad?

So the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth belongs to allah. I have some native americans, some asians, and some early jews from the same time period who seemed to disagree with that ever so slightly

what do you mean ???

Waza-Minooo44, how many times do we have to point out to you that your "simple question" is nonsensical and rubbish?

rubbish ??? :lol: man you made me laugh It's amazing you can't answer it

How many times must we tell you that the entire concept of your "argument" is just plain wrong?

let's assume it's wrong for one moment I'm asking what is your argument ??? i asked ONE SINGLE ARGUMENT THAT'S ALL and you haven't provide single one ? me on the other hand i brought many arguments and still i have more .

i take the stand that somewhere between the orbits of the planet earth and planet mars there is a chinese teapot.

you have to ask your self this question what cause this "chinese teapot." to be existence ????

he is someone who has devoted himself to science and reason

Funny you mean i have to believe in POKEMON (Evolution) ? your mythical Pokemon only happened in the tv

Evolution violates Two laws one of them is The Law of Biogenesis !

Law of Biogenesis was well known by Louis Pasteur three years later after Darwin's book was available, and simply says that life only comes from life. Living cells split to make new cells, and fertilized eggs and seeds develop into plants and animals, but chemicals never fall together and life come out. Evolutionists often call certain chemicals "THE BUILDING BLOCKS OF LIFE", programming people the false impression that you just stack the building blocks all together and you get life. No one has ever done this before, including the famous 1953 Miller/Urey experiment where all they got were clumps of amino acids. Many people mistakenly think scientists have made life from chemicals in the lab, but they have not (though many have tried very hard and they failed). If one were to succeed, you would know about it. He would get every science award there is, be all over the news, and have movies, buildings, statues, books , and schools dedicated to him, so desperate and hopeless are evolutionists on this matter. For something to be a law of science, it can never be found to have been violated, even once, over thousands of trials and examination. No exceptions. A theory that violates two laws of science is in big trouble and absurd .

is that one of your family ??? you have to be proud man :mrgreen:

we can see him, hear him, touch him, smell him and taste him.... though i doubt he would like the last two.

i didn't know i'm arguing with a GAY !

we can see him, hear him, touch him, smell him and :mrgreen: taste him :mrgreen: .... though i doubt he would like the last two. but anyway show me

how can i disrprove this man ?

Mr. Celestial Teapot

you can claim that the first cause is your god... , what caused your god?

God doesn't have cause because TIME DOESN'T EFFECT HIM ! he is eternal being

To be an atheist, I have to believe in no God when discussing the idea of god because I can't prove god doesn't exist. I can't prove anything doesn't exist. Anything that does exist is self evident, which is what theists must argue to sway me. They, however, show no proof, no empirical evidence, so I believe they are full of shit.

i have question for you i know it's stupid but worthy try !!! what cause shit to exist in your body ????? if there is no cause then you are irrational without any thinking.

See, I come at it from the opposite direction. I lack belief in a "god" in part because I don't understand the concept, and as near as I can tell neither do the believers. And frankly that calls into question how much they can really believe in something that they don't understand and can't come to an agreement about. As I told a guy a few months ago when he discovered that I'm an atheist, "As soon as you and the rest of the believers can agree on a definition, you can start trying to convince me. Until then, STFU!"

Disbelieve or deny or reject or refuse the meaning is the same ! and i already give you the definition of atheism
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism


a,·the,·ism (ā'thÄ“-Ä­z'É™m)
n.
Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.

The doctrine that there is no God or gods.


[French athéisme, from athée, atheist, from Greek atheos, godless : a-, without; see a-1 + theos, god; see dhÄ“s- in Indo-European roots.]

 

[darthrender2010]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but someone has topped Niocan, I'm done with this lunatic

 

[ExeFBM]

Do you call this one Error ?? or unless you are blind !

You consider it a miracle that there are two sura without a formula at the beginning? Why are none of the other sura linked in pairs of 19?

Halley's Comet Statistics
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/halley.htm


Perihelion distance: 0.587 AU
Orbital eccentricity: 0.967
Orbital inclination: 162.24,°
Orbital period: 76.0 years [ 19*4]
Next perihelion: 2061
Diameter: 16 x 8 x 8 km

YOU WANT TO ARGUE if i bring to you the most precise accurate reading YOU WON'T BELIEVE you are acting like the Jews in the time of Jesus . when Jesus show his miracles , what do you expect did they believe ??? No they say this miracle is just Magic .

Here's a list of the last few visits from Halley's comet

1607
75 years
1682
77 years
1759
76 years
1835
75 years
1910
76 years
1986
75 years
2061

Not exactly multiples of 19 are they? Seems fairly erratic for a clear sign.

There are 209 bones in the human body (19 x 11), not 206; the coccyx is usually considered one bone, however it consits of 4 fused bones.

If you're counting fused bones then there are 213-214 bones, as the sacrum is 5 fused bones, and some people have an additional fused bone in the coccyx. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bones_of_the_human_skeleton
Still not divisible by 19.

http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/nodes/nodes.htm
he Eclipse Year. It was discovered by the Chaldeans that after 18 years 11-1/3 days (or 18 years, 10-1/3 days if the interval contained five leap years), the Nodes have prescribed 19 revolutions relative to the Sun/Nodal conjunctions (or 19 Eclipse Years), at which time, the Sun and Moon will have returned to almost exactly the same positions relative to the Nodes.

As you've said, the exact position of the sun Earth and moon occurs every 18 years, 11 days, and 8 hours. This is not 19. This link you provided is an astrology site, so do you believe that the stars and planets influence our destiny and emotions? The conclusion at the bottom of that page states:

think about what's happening during an Eclipse. With the Solar Eclipse, the emotions (Moon), temporarily block, obscure, or get in the way of the light of the Conscious Ego (Sun). In the case of the Lunar Eclipse, the material concerns or the body (Earth), temporarily block the normal flow between the Conscious Ego (Sun), and the emotions (Moon).

Do you believe that also?

that book based on 24 which is even number this is not miracle and by the way he had pen and pencil and computer and KNOWLEDGE this is not miracle the miracle is with PRIME NUMBER which is indivisible only by one or by it self in addition to this imagine illiterate man he doesn't know read nor write , he got no paper and no pen and he is
keeping counting every word "GOD"[ God is mentioned in the whole quran 2698(19*142)] in the quran
for 23 years THE busiest MAN IN HISTORY ! the polytheist give him no peace , the Christians
give him no peace , the Jews they give him no peace , his own family they give him no peace
and he is creating nation and Empire and religion !!! and he is keeping counting and at one stage
he had 8 Wifes !

2698 (God is mentioned in the quran) is also an even number, and it is not prime. If God was mentioned several thousand times, and the number was prime, I would be more impressed. 23 (years) and 8 (wives) are also not divisible by 19.

[Michael Hart in 'The 100, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons In History]

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the worlds most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the secular and religious level. ...It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity. ...It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history."

now explain it to me how did he do it ???

What secular successes did Muhammad achieve?

 

[xman]

Is this thread still going!??!?!?! He doesn't listen. He's not interested in a real dialogue, just spouting dogma. Let it die for goodness sake.

 

[Durakken]

What secular successes did Muhammad achieve?

Well if you count making the most advanced people on earth at the time primitive barbarians while the rest of the world advanced a secular success...

*the rest of this is at the OP*

Atheism broken down is a- theos -ism or more correctly, etymologically a- + (theos + ism). -Ism denotes a belief in a proposition that is related to the root it is affixed to. It is the belief of the proposition and the root itself as there are things like the word "completionist" which is someone who completes all tasks and acquiring all possible items to maximum quantity in a game. Completionism has nothing to do with any other thing than games and because of this fact it is the proposition of the complete term and not the root word that is denoted by an -ism suffix. The prefix of a- is simply the rejection of the proposition that it is affixed to.

So by dissecting the word what we come up with is a rejection of a proposition that in some way relates to gods...

Of course the word originally mean "A rejection of the belief in Zeus" but as Zeus transformed into a monotheistic figure... "A rejection of the belief in gods"... and then with the rise of Christianity who took the word theos as a reference to gods and thus their god it became... "A rejection of the belief in god". Which is where people generally stop, but you can look and see how people got "Satanist" out of it as a Satanist who believes in god, but rejects god. It stems from a lack of understanding of language. This also leads to the amorality definition in that a Satanist is obviously amoral even though Satan, both as devil and the prosecutor of elohim, is in fact the most moral when you look at what happened in the stories.

I know some of you are saying "nu huh, the a prefix means without." That is true as well. To reject something also means that you are without it, but there is a slight difference in that to reject something requires action while to be without requires none. The default is the latter, but generally when most people talk about atheism they mean the former.



Now... as far as "proving" that there isn't a god. We can handle this several ways. Logically gods can't be within our reality, nor can their words, writings, or anything else of them and so to make a claim about a god is absurd at best from a logical stand point, at least for the definition of most peoples' gods. Kami and Ancient Mythology could exist in reality but that has to do with what they are are not what you would call a god modernly. We could go down that road of disproving, or we could go down the road that any argument FOR a god that has ever been seen is absurd, special pleading, or just full of logical fallacies, but both of those miss the point for theists understanding.

The idea that I must disprove a claim you make when you haven't proven it is absurd and has been accepted as a faulty practice every where. in fact in some place there was a law that if you could not prove your case and made an accusation you would be punished as though you committed the crime you accused the person of because simply the accusation is a tarnishing of the person and to make an accusation without proof is a knowing and willing act of malice. In other words, your claim in some courts would be considered an act of malice and as a result the court would find that you would have to be obliterated (pretty sure that's what happens to non-Muslims in Muslim doctrine). If you're a christian you'd be sentenced to hell and Roman, sentenced to Tartarus. These are some pretty messed up sentences and should be more than enough to keep from making the claim, but then your argument is that the atheist is making the claim that there is no god and that is just wrong.

Being an atheist requires understanding of 2 things (a)gnosticism and the Null Hypothesis. Gnosticism is the proposition that one can know something absolutely, as in to every question there is an answer that covers it 100% or in some cases 0%. Agnosticism is the rejection of this idea and instead says that there is no way that anyone can ever be absolutely know anything to a degree of certainty of 0 or 100%, but rather all our knowledge has a certainty between 0 and 100% (ie 1% to 99%). Both of these positions were equally valid at one point, but as time went on more and more info about everything keeps coming so agnosticism is considered the right position for any stance on anything else.

Now once you establish Agnosticism you also must establish which direction the bar goes. Do you start a 1% certain and work your way to 99% or do you work from 99% to 1%. Again, both of these were considered valid at one time, but as more arguments came up and courts were established, what was found was that it is nearly impossible to prove something negatively. For example, can you prove that you were not in my room yesterday? There is no evidence that you were but that does not mean that you definitely were not. You could have walked in, looked around and left. Because of this fact, the notion of starting from a positive assertion and holding that it was true till disproved was considered wrong, unjust, and overall just doesn't work to reveal any truth at all. This starting from 0 and working up is known as the Null Hypothesis.

This means that with any claim the default position should be that it is not true. in other words, the default is to reject any proposition without sufficient proof.

Of course your argument is based around the idea that my position is an assertion. That is untrue. I do not assert that there is no god, but rather reject the proposition that there is. I also reject the proposition that there isn't. Both cases are equally valid in terms of direct proof. What you're originally arguing is that antitheism is absurd and I agree, it is as absurd as theism from a purely scientific standpoint.

However, there is also other inferred , implied, and logical reasons to hold an antitheistic position, mostly generated from theistic apologetics ironically enough. More or less, that argument is that every attempt to prove there is a god contains fallacies and as such there must not be any argument that is sound for a god and thus there must not be a god. There is a special type of argument this is...someone probably knows as I don't remember.

 

[nemesiss]

Is this thread still going!??!?!?! He doesn't listen. He's not interested in a real dialogue, just spouting dogma. Let it die for goodness sake.

he is funny as shit at some times.

for some reason he thinks i am gay, sofar i haven't found any proof of that...
it would be funny when he realizes that to some extend he ALSO is an atheist, since he doesn't believe in gods like apollo, thor chathulu, that green guy from dragonball Z, haruhi suzumiya, bhudda, etc...

the humor is that reasons he will give why he doesn't believe in those gods is basically the same reason why we don't believe in his, though our reasons are probably better thought-out.

 

[borrofburi]

<all sorts of stuff that would fail a basic exams in english, logic, philosophy, and physics>

Look, what do you hope to accomplish? What is your goal? I will tell you exactly where you're going wrong, but so far as I can tell you don't have a goal here; you've entered an argument and your goal seems to be some unfocused abstract fuzzy concept of "to win" which is ultimately meaningless in this context. Is your goal to get us to believe in your god? Is your goal to get us to be deists? Is your goal for us to reject the word atheist without actually changing *any* of our positions? Is your goal to show off your poor english, your poor understanding of basic physics, or your poor logic? What is it precisely that you are attempting to accomplish here?

Do you ignore me on purpose or are you blind (rhetorical question)?

 

[idlesniper]

Law of Biogenesis was well known by Louis Pasteur three years later after Darwin's book was available, and simply says that life only comes from life.

You use this to try to prove a point? But you dont believe it yourself. Assuming your creation myth is true, did the first cow created by God "come from life"?

Try not to use things that can just as easily apply to your position when attempting to refute our's, do so only makes you look silly. Every single point you have made has been countered many times over, it's time for you to go back, and read everthing these people have told you, then spend some time thinking about it.

On the other hand, it appears you are living in a muslim country, given that the punishment for losing your faith there is death, maybe you should back slowly away from this forum and pretend you never came here or read any points made against your faith.


For everyone else: this kid (I'm guessing but his posts have a child-like feel) may be being willfully ignorant because his life litterally depends on it. If he dose live in a muslim controled nation as his poor english may suggest, shining a spotlight on the lies he had been fed since birth could start a series of events resulting in him being stoned to death.

 

[Gnug215]

Waza-Minooo44, how many times do we have to point out to you that your "simple question" is nonsensical and rubbish?

rubbish ??? man you made me laugh It's amazing you can't answer it

How many times do we have to tell you that you can't prove a negative?

That is what makes your question rubbish. Get it? Or do I need to find even more new ways to make this clear to you?

How many times must we tell you that the entire concept of your "argument" is just plain wrong?


let's assume it's wrong for one moment I'm asking what is your argument ??? i asked ONE SINGLE ARGUMENT THAT'S ALL and you haven't provide single one ? me on the other hand i brought many arguments and still i have more .

Your English is quite incomprihensible, but let me try to respond to what I think you seem to be saying:

Your argument is wrong because:
1: You're asking people to prove a negative.
2: You're not understanding of the the word "atheist" properly. An atheist disbelieves OR denies the existence of God. There is a difference.
3: Even if we go by the "denies" definition, it's still a crappy argument, because there is no proof or evidence of God.
4: Additionally, even if you got people convinced that "atheist" was a contradictory title, all you've done is played with word definitions.
Bonus: You've also conveniently ignored a number of points in this thread, many of whom are heavily indicative of the non-existence of God - while still not proof - why? Becaaaause? Yes? Say with me now: You... can't... prove... a... negative! There you go.


The so-called "arguments" you've provided for the existence of God have been debunked or dismissed as nonsense. They're not convincing in any way whatsoever.

Good evidence would be: Testable, falsifiable, predictable and repeatable. You've given us numerology and arguments from incredulity so far.

So stop repeating yourself and bring something substantial to the table. Also, try to make it at least remotely intelligible while you're at it.

 

[darthrender2010]

it would be funny when he realizes that to some extend he ALSO is an atheist, since he doesn't believe in gods like apollo, thor chathulu, that green guy from dragonball Z, haruhi suzumiya, bhudda, etc...

From what I gathered, he believes that those gods (thor, apollo, etc.) are all just "incarnations" of the creator god. i.e. there is a "true" god but all of those gods, including his own, are all different manifestations of that god.

 

[AndyfromMonday]

I haven't laughed this hard in ages. Thank you, random person, you made me laugh so hard I almost cried.

 

[nasher168]

who could dare compare any great man in history with Muhammad?

I could. Muhammed was a warlord, just like Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, Cortes of Spain and many, many others. Don't try to deny this, he founded the largest empire ever seen at the time in JUST 30 YEARS!
He was also a religious leader, just like Paul of Tarsus.

There, I compared Muhammed to several people. And has your God struck me down? Has he shown me his wrath? No. In fact, nothing whatsoever has come of it, and nothing shall come of it, except maybe offence on your part.

 

[Durakken]

who could dare compare any great man in history with Muhammad?

I could. Muhammed was a warlord, just like Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, Cortes of Spain and many, many others. Don't try to deny this, he founded the largest empire ever seen at the time in JUST 30 YEARS!
He was also a religious leader, just like Paul of Tarsus.

There, I compared Muhammed to several people. And has your God struck me down? Has he shown me his wrath? No. In fact, nothing whatsoever has come of it, and nothing shall come of it, except maybe offence on your part.

woah woah... I don't know about Cortes, but Temujin and Alexander were both well educated men who promoted peace and education within their realm. The fact that they also were conquerors is a bit lacking when you consider they both also were educated, diplomatic, kind, and wise to those under their command. Alexander is pretty much the reason why world is as educated as it is today. Mohammed is on the other hand the reason it's not more advanced.

Both Alexander and Temujin learned from and integrated with those peoples that they conquered, preserving and most times bolstering their cultural, historical, educational, diplomatic, military position the world.

Mohammed just killed and destroyed everything he came across that didn't match what he already thought including what was spread by the former two.

Please don't put them in the same league ^.^

 

[Gnug215]

who could dare compare any great man in history with Muhammad?

I could. Muhammed was a warlord, just like Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, Cortes of Spain and many, many others. Don't try to deny this, he founded the largest empire ever seen at the time in JUST 30 YEARS!
He was also a religious leader, just like Paul of Tarsus.

There, I compared Muhammed to several people. And has your God struck me down? Has he shown me his wrath? No. In fact, nothing whatsoever has come of it, and nothing shall come of it, except maybe offence on your part.

I think our resident fundy may have misunderstood the point of the quote he made, though.

The guy making the quote mentions "smallness of means", which could be understood to mean Muhammeds personal failings; such as the fact that he was illiterate, crazy, a pedophile, etc.

I don't understand why he would bring out that quote from some obscure Frenchman as some kind of evidence. Nevermind the fact that the quote was made more than 100 years ago. Norman Borlaug didn't live then, anyway.

 

[nemesiss]

By haruhi, i think i found the root problem of the argument, and it was in front of us right from the start!

Atheist:
a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence intelligent design being.

Q) can you bring ONE SINGLE CONCLUSIVE ARGUMENT that disprove the existence of intelligent design being ??
if you can't answer it then why you call your self atheist ???

the word DENIAL APPEAR ! now PROVE IT ! IF YOU CAN'T THEN THE definition of atheism become absurd :lol: !
a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who [??????] or [??????] the existence intelligent design being.
the word "disbelieves" and "denies" is removed !!! now the definition become absurd now PROVE IT ! IF You can't then stay Quiet

Its the definition of the word "atheist".
When you write out the defenition like that, it makes the assumption that there is a "intelligent design being".

hmm, perhaps putting in a better definition will make for a better argument;


Atheist:
a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who has no (reason to) believe in a supernatural being.

 

[5810Singer]

I'd just like to point out that Mr Shouty Muslim (the OP) thinks he's "won" this "debate" and hasn't been back for ages.