I DARE ANY atheists answer my simple Question !!!!

[bruhaha2]

in⋅fin⋅i⋅ty  [in-fin-i-tee]
-noun, plural -ties.
1. the quality or state of being infinite.
2. something that is infinite.
3. infinite space, time, or quantity.
4. an infinite extent, amount, or number.

Infinity works for the quantity of something, but not for that something to be infinite.

For example, you can have an infinite amount of space, but space cannot be infinite. Just like you can have an infinite amount of matter, but matter cannot be infinite. Their can be an infinite amount of time, but time cannot be infinite.

 

[Gnug215]

it would be an interesting excersice for Waza-Minooo44 to make a list of which arguments were made by us.
that way he can proof he isn't just a complete IDiot.

as for Gnug215's argument; arguing that his propet is a pedophile is off topic.
its is true that in this day and age it is seen as immoral, though back then it wasn't.
its kind of like the same argument creationist use to discredit the theory of evolution by attacking Darwins for things that might be true.
there is however something to be said to those who see that prophet as the perfect rolemodel.
Those people need to make certain that they know what they are following.
this goes for everyone theists and atheists alike.

this also should be a time for us to reflect on the matter.
perhaps we arguments we made were not clear enough, assuming he has a functional and "rational" brain.
from this we can learn how to explain something easier while keeping it compact but still clear enough.
i think everyone who posted here wanted to bring accross a message and it would be a shame if its because bad communication skills that it didn't work out.

Yes, it is off-topic, but I mentioned it in parenthesis, and the paragraph in question was pointing out how he had not responded to a number of points - conveniently so.

I do agree with you that we should reflect upon our own performance, but in some cases I think there is only so much you can do - and this is such a case. The guy has had a myriad of arguments thrown at him, and he's had his own arguments refuted in a myriad of ways.

All he did was to "yell" even louder, indicating that he's nothing more than a pigeon. He's not here to debate. He's here to yell. And whatever the outcome, he'll fly back to his flock and declare victory after crapping all over the chess-board.

If he is actually interested in debate, he'll have to calm down and actually read and think about the arguments made.

After reading most of the posts, I think it's clear to say that the bad communication skills were primarily on his side.
While I think most of his communication problems stem from his stubborn mindset, I'll grant that a part of it is linguistic in nature. It is actually as if he doesn't comprehend the linguistic content of some of the arguments.


I do agree with the main sentiments of your post, though.

 

[Giliell]

as for Gnug215's argument; arguing that his propet is a pedophile is off topic.
its is true that in this day and age it is seen as immoral, though back then it wasn't.
its kind of like the same argument creationist use to discredit the theory of evolution by attacking Darwins for things that might be true.
there is however something to be said to those who see that prophet as the perfect rolemodel.
Those people need to make certain that they know what they are following.
this goes for everyone theists and atheists alike.

Well, I see that different.
And this is exactly the mistake theists make by applying the standards you'd expect from someone who has divine knowledge to someone who's simply a bright human.
If someone was really communicating with a god who gave him eternal rules and superior knowledge I'd expect that something like "don't rape children and tell them I'm pretty pissed off if they continue to do so" would be included in such a conversation.
You cannot claim to be the divine prophet who knows things better than the rest and not know such a simple thing or bother to write it down even after you've written down rules about washing your hands.

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

God
Synonyms:
deity, divinity, graven image, idol, spirit, supernatural being

As you are so fond of pointing out. They are synonyms, they mean the same thing! You keep proclaiming that you are worshiping graven images and idols!!!!!

But, as he's supposedly an all-powerful being, he should be able to manifest himself. And supposedly he has, thousands of years ago to ignorant desert people with no means to gather concrete evidence of the incidence, so that people in the future could be equally certain of his existence. Or maybe god could manifest himself right now to everyone in the world. Why wouldn't he?

I'm asking how can you give him picture and he is spiritual being ??

The meaning of the word 'OR'.

or1  [awr; unstressed er]
-conjunction
1. (used to connect words, phrases, or clauses representing alternatives): books or magazines; to be or not to be.

Q) can you bring ONE SINGLE CONCLUSIVE ARGUMENT that disprove the existence of intelligent design being?


I dare and would be delighted to answer.

A) No.

if you can't then your ID become absurd and it has no meaning :mrgreen:

a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who [??????] or [??????] the existence intelligent design being.

the word "disbelieves" and "denies" is removed !!! now the definition become absurd now i'm asking Does it make sense to you ??

but for the sake of argument

athéiste (16c.), from Gk. atheos "to deny the gods, godless," from a- "without" + theos "a god" (see Thea)

so the word "or" it's not there to support your argument :mrgreen: . but the word deny is their !!! so what is your comment Mr.atheist ?

It's always quite amusing when religious people desperately try to prove the existence of god or some sort of "creator".

Ooh really then what do you call this ?

a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who [??????] or [??????] the existence intelligent design being.

[ prophet of atheism Richard Dawkins ]

The refusal to believe in anything you can't see yourself is absurd. Think about it? I never saw Napoleon with my own eyes, but that doesn't mean Napoleon didn't exist."~Richard Dawkins

unbefuckinglievable

is this even in English language ??? un - be - F**** - lievable

i wonder what language is that ?

But there is cleary evidence which disproves that the human body had been "designed" as the ultimate goal of evolution.

I'm asking how come the DNA sends wrong information ?? what i mean is
we humans we got our information from parents by multiplcation ! you call it polymerization but how come the information changed from Ape ( which is totally completely different information from humans) to Human ??

In the end lets just conclude: we are too stupid to solve that question right now.
For the time being the universe just exists (I'm sure it will carry on doing so for some years) and one should practice oneself in tolerance towards other opinions instead of being completely ignorant and arrogant, not accepting other points of views.

yeah , in the end you will see the REAL MOVIE in big screen :mrgreen: ! i mean in the grave

. Why do you beleive it?

It has as many contradictions as the bible,

Praise be to Allah, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book, and hath allowed therein no Crookedness:
[ Quran 18:1 ]


these aren't contradictions these are Misunderstanding the context

Detailed rebuttals to the so called "Errors" in the Noble Quran:
http://answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm


if there is contradiction miracle 19 would be useless

"How can it be that the greeks were able to believe in a round earth even the couldn't go into outer space to see that it was round? "

A ) they were smart and could figure it out mathmatical

they are learned and Educated persons this is not miracle ? the miracle is information coming from illiterate man he doesn't know read nor write how come ?? it's impossible

i SERIOUSLY want to see YOUR dictionairy;

http://dictionary.reference.com/

he's asking you to disprove the celestial teapot. not a picture of a person.

the person on that picture is Mr. Celestial Teapot :mrgreen:

Proof? Just for your "disbelieve = deny" claim:
The police officer asks the suspect: "So you deny that you went to her house that evening?"
Can you insert "disbelieve" instead of "deny" without changing the meaning?
No?
See, that wasn't too hard.

this is not proof this your own interpretation

Mathematics is a human discovery. We've given things numbers and values. First came the orbit, then our ability to measure and work out the calculations.

do we need to discover this ? 1 +1+1+1 = 4 ??? even the ape can calculated what on the world you are talking about ? Design necessitates a designer this is common sense but what to do atheism is irrational they deny without single PROOF

No, sir, you haven't. You have simply given me your reason why you don't believe there is any such thing, because you think that it was just an analogy invented by Russel.

well it was design by mr. Russel teapot Funny ! you want to make comparison between intellegent desing with FAIRY TALE ( in Russel brain ) it's weak argument any child in the street OR even gangster in the street can debunk this argument, bring somehting NEW :mrgreen:

Way to miss the point entirely.

You're turning out to be quite the chess-playing pigeon.


Now, we have:


Consistently shown you that your initial argument is an invalid one.

Repeatedly told you that your definitions are wrong.

Continuously pointed you to the fact that you're the one making a positive claim, and thus have to make your case.

And you have:

Persistently, childishly and arrogantly denied the definitions of words and terms, given to you by people who clearly know far more about the English language.

Systematically ignored most of the highly valid points made to contest you and your position. (Which is why we can, for instance, assume that you actually accept that your prophet was a pedophile, and also that you see nothing wrong in this, and that you really have no evidence for your position, but you're just here to crap on the chess-board, something I can only assume you want to do because of your own insecurities. We get it: you've got nothing! But you don't have to take it out on us.)

Absolutely, whole-heartedly and blatantly failed at making a proper argument, and the fact that you can't see this is, while not surprising, quite sad, and you should really give this some thought.



Let me finish by repeating a very simple, inescapable fact for you: You, the theist, are the one making a positive claim here, claiming that God exists, so it is up to you to account for your position, and the atheists can, as long as you haven't provided any evidence or cogent argument for your position, keep calling themselves "atheist" without that posing any problems whatsoever.

Okay what is the answer ? a or b ?

So, what have you done?
Have you given any proof why the celestial teapot doesn't exist?

it's name of person :mrgreen: how in the world i disprove name of person ?? unless you are irrational and i expected from atheist

can you disprove [ prophet of atheism Richard Dawkins ]

it would be an interesting excersice for Waza-Minooo44 to make a list of which arguments were made by us.
that way he can proof he isn't just a complete IDiot.

PRODUCE YOUR PROOF IF YOU ARE SPEAKING THE TRUTH

For example, you can have an infinite amount of space, but space cannot be infinite. Just like you can have an infinite amount of matter, but matter cannot be infinite. Their can be an infinite amount of time, but time cannot be infinite.

Excellent you just prove my point :mrgreen: the space can't be infinite if we trace the time back we will end with this question

what is the first cause ?

 

[darthrender2010]

or1  [awr; unstressed er]
-conjunction
1. (used to connect words, phrases, or clauses representing alternatives): books or magazines; to be or not to be.

that's just too priceless...


EDIT:

Waza, here is what that definition means, without using or to define it.

1 used to connect words representing alternatives
2 used to connect phrases representing alternatives
3 used to connect clauses representing alternatives

thus or can be used to connect words representing alternatives (alternate 1), (inferred or) phrases representing alternatives (alternate 2), or clauses representing alternatives (alternate 3).

English is a confusing language.

EDIT 2:

Now, to go on to your definition of atheist.

"a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of an intelligent design being."

Used in this way, "or" is connecting two alternatives,

1 disbelief
2 denial

Thus the actual definition is:

1 One who disbelieves the existence of an intelligent design being.
2 One who denies the existence of an intelligent design being.

Or is just a way of limiting the amount of words to get the same message across to the reader.

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

"How can it be that the greeks were able to believe in a round earth even the couldn't go into outer space to see that it was round? "

because they are learned , they are educated people even they make empire from it ! but on the contrary a man in the desert without any education without any learning he doesn't have pencil nor pen nor book and he is illiterate ! a man from the desert telling you ............



"By the sky full of paths and orbits."
(The Qur'an, 51:7)

"It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit. "
(The Qur'an, 21:33)

The wrapping of muscles over the bones HOW ????
"(We) then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be God, the Best of Creators!"
(The Qur'an, 23:14)



The bones of the baby completing its development in the mother's womb are clothed with flesh during one particular stage.

Embryology is the branch of science that studies the development of the embryo in the mother's womb. Until very recently, embryologists assumed that the bones and muscles in an embryo developed at the same time. For this reason, for a long time, some people claimed that these verses conflicted with science. Yet, advanced microscopic research conducted by virtue of new technological developments has revealed that the revelation of the Qur'an is word for word correct.

These remarks at the microscopic level showed that the development inside the mother's womb takes place in just the way it is described in the verses. First, the cartilage tissue of the embryo ossifies. Then muscular cells that are selected from amongst the tissue around the bones come together and wrap around the bones.

This event is described in a scientific publication titled Developing Human in the following words:

"During the seventh week, the skeleton begins to spread throughout the body and the bones take their familiar shapes. At the end of the seventh week and during the eighth week the muscles take their positions around the bone forms."

the bones of the baby complete its development in the mother's womb are clothed with flesh during one particular stage.

[ Quran 7:158 ]
Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all - (the messenger of) Him unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. There is no Allah save Him. He quickeneth and He giveth death. So believe in Allah and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, who believeth in Allah and in His Words, and follow him that haply ye may be led aright.

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

Thus the actual definition is:

1 One who disbelieves the existence of an intelligent design being.
2 One who denies the existence of an intelligent design being.

what i have said before is the same :mrgreen: Mr.atheist it's exactly the same all what you have done you are proving my position :mrgreen:

Denies = Disblieve

DISBELIEVE = DENY !!
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/deny
Synonyms for Deny :
abjure, abnegate, ban, begrudge, call on, contradict, contravene, controvert, curb, disacknowledge, disallow, disavow, :mrgreen: disbelieve :mrgreen: ,discard, disclaim, discredit, disown, disprove, doubt, enjoin from, eschew, exclude, forbid, forgo, forsake, gainsay, hold back, keep back, negate, negative, not buy, nullify, oppose, rebuff, rebut, recant, refuse, refute, reject, repudiate, restrain, revoke, sacrifice, say no to, spurn, taboo, take exception to, turn down, turn thumbs down, veto, withhold

 

[scalyblue]

He's clearly plugging everything into google translate, reading what arabic it spits out, and then refuting the google translated arabic--in arabic--to google translate--back to english. It's why he criticizes words like unbefuckingleivable. It's not because he is being pedantic or facetious, it literally spits out the same word and he doesn't know what it means.

Considering that the languages have completely different etymological origins, the very nature of this argument refutes his standpoint. If the translation is this bad back and forth once, with computer assistance...how bad is it over thousands of years, with human hands involved?

i f y o u w a n t t o p r o v e m y t h e o r y a s k a q u e s t i o n s l i k e t h i s i g u a r a n t e e h e w i l l n o t b e a b l e t o t r a n s l a t e t h e m

p r o v e a n d d e m o n s t r a t e t h a t t h e a z u r e s k y i s b l u e a n d i w o n t t h i n k t h a t y o u a r e a c r e a t a r d

I ALSO tnk dat HE WON'T B abL 2 transl8 LOLSPEAK OR txt spk. Y? shd WE B ARGUING W GOOGLE transl8?

 

[darthrender2010]

Thus the actual definition is:

1 One who disbelieves the existence of an intelligent design being.
2 One who denies the existence of an intelligent design being.

what i have said before is the same :mrgreen: Mr.atheist it's exactly the same all what you have done you are proving my position :mrgreen:

Denies = Disblieve

DISBELIEVE = DENY !!
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/deny
Synonyms for Deny :
abjure, abnegate, ban, begrudge, call on, contradict, contravene, controvert, curb, disacknowledge, disallow, disavow, :mrgreen: disbelieve :mrgreen: ,discard, disclaim, discredit, disown, disprove, doubt, enjoin from, eschew, exclude, forbid, forgo, forsake, gainsay, hold back, keep back, negate, negative, not buy, nullify, oppose, rebuff, rebut, recant, refuse, refute, reject, repudiate, restrain, revoke, sacrifice, say no to, spurn, taboo, take exception to, turn down, turn thumbs down, veto, withhold

I am actually not an atheist, I'm an agnostic theist/deist. but that makes little difference.

Disbelieve is not the same as deny in the English language.

disbelief means:

"to have no belief in; refuse or reject belief in"

belief means:

1an opinion
2 conviction

thus to disbelieve in this sense means one of four things:

1 "to refuse to be of the opinion" that there is a god
2 "to be of the opinion that there" is no god
3 "to refuse to be convicted" that there is a god
4 "to be of the conviction that there" is no god

To deny means:

1. to state that (something declared or believed to be true) is not true: to deny an accusation.
2. to refuse to agree or accede to: to deny a petition.

So, to deny in this sense would be:

1 To say that god is not real
2 to refuse to agree that god is real

Thus, though they may be similar, they are not the same.

 

[darthrender2010]

Что делать, если мы начали говорить на русском языке

 

[ExeFBM]

Here are some factual errors from your video about '19'.

Halley's comet's orbit varies and will take between 75-76 years to be observable from Earth. 75 is not divisible by 19

The alignment of the Sun, Earth, and Moon shown in the video indicated a total lunar eclipse. These occur frequently, there were two in 2007, one in 2008, and the next is due in mid December next year. They are not 19 years apart.

The human body has 206 bones, and not 209. 206 is also not divisible by 19.

The miracle would be if you could get 75, 206, and an erratic varying number to divide by 19.


On a side note, i read somewhere that the latest Harry Potter book had a code based around the number 24.

 

[scalyblue]

"By the sky full of paths and orbits."
(The Qur'an, 51:7)

"It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit. "
(The Qur'an, 21:33)

51:6 And lo! the judgment will indeed befall.
51:7 By the heaven full of paths,
Since you want to be pedantic, the heavens aren't full of paths. There is no path being followed in space, these bodies are just behaving according to the process we observe as gravity. They would only be seen to follow a path through terrestrial observation
51:8 Lo! ye, forsooth, are of various opinion (concerning the truth).
Got that right.

21:32 And we have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.
Hm, the sky is a roof? Well, in an allegorical sense it could be, but I don't see the sky being withheld from them. Apparently followers of islam don't feel it's a sin to use airplanes ( Sorry I *had* to )
21:33 And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit. (21:33) "The sun and the moon ... float, each in an orbit."
( :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: The sun "floats" in an orbit around the earth. )
21:34 We appointed immortality for no mortal before thee. What! if thou diest, can they be immortal!

"(We) then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be God, the Best of Creators!"
(The Qur'an, 23:14)

23:12 Verily We created man from a product of wet earth;
23:13 Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging;
23:14 Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!
Oh, so scientifically accurate here--human beings are nothing but a lump of mud, transformed magically into sperm growing in the woman's womb, which is just a safe lodging to it. That pretty much falls well in line with islam misogynism
23:15 Then lo! after that ye surely die.
23:16 Then lo! on the Day of Resurrection ye are raised (again).

[ Quran 7:158 ]
Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all - (the messenger of) Him unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. There is no Allah save Him. He quickeneth and He giveth death. So believe in Allah and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, who believeth in Allah and in His Words, and follow him that haply ye may be led aright.

7:156 And ordain for us in this world that which is good, and in the Hereafter (that which is good), Lo! We have turned unto Thee. He said: I smite with My punishment whom I will, and My mercy embraceth all things, therefore I shall ordain it for those who ward off (evil) and pay the poor-due, and those who believe Our revelations;

7:157 Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful.
Hm, you can only be successful if you honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him? How intolerant and narrow-minded. At least they admit that mohammed was an illiterate crazy person ( you know, a prophet )

7:158 Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all - (the messenger of) Him unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. There is no God save Him. He quickeneth and He giveth death. So believe in Allah and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, who believeth in Allah and in His Words, and follow him that haply ye may be led aright.
So the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth belongs to allah. I have some native americans, some asians, and some early jews from the same time period who seemed to disagree with that ever so slightly

 

[scalyblue]

Hmm, since we're arguing from the accuracy of the quaran, how about this tidbit

2:69 They said: Pray for us unto thy Lord that He make clear to us of what colour she is. (Moses) answered: Lo! He saith: Verily she is a yellow cow. Bright is her colour, gladdening beholders.
2:70 They said: Pray for us unto thy Lord that He make clear to us what (cow) she is. Lo! cows are much alike to us; and Lo! if Allah wills, we may be led aright.
2:71 (Moses) answered: Lo! He saith: Verily she is a cow unyoked; she plougheth not the soil nor watereth the tilth; whole and without mark. They said: Now thou bringest the truth. So they sacrificed her, though almost they did not.
2:72 And (remember) when ye slew a man and disagreed concerning it and Allah brought forth that which ye were hiding.
2:73 And We said: Smite him with some of it. Thus Allah bringeth the dead to life and showeth you His portents so that ye may understand.

...so...to settle a murder mystery, Allah brought a murder victim back to life by hitting his dead body with a piece of the yellow cow. The risen man then identified his murderer! (I hope I've got the story straight.)

 

[scalyblue]

Here, I'm lazy..let's just refute all of the bad science at once

The Skeptics Annotated Quran[/url]"]Science and History in the Quran

(Pharaoh) said: ... I shall cut off your hands and your feet alternately, and I shall crucify you on the trunks of palm trees--20:71

1. And He taught Adam all the names."
Allah taught Adam all the names of the plants and animals, which must have taken a while since there are 1.7 million species that are known today, with probably another 10 million or so that are yet to be discovered. And this only includes those that are alive today. If extinct species are included (~99%), then Allah must have taught Adam a billion or so names. 2:31
2. Humans created from a single man. 4: 1

3. The Quran repeats the silly story about Cain and Abel (though they are unnamed in the Quran). 5:27-31

4. Homosexual acts are condemned as unnatural. (Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?) But, in fact, such acts are common in many other species. 7:80-81

5. Crucifixion is a Roman punishment, unknown in Egypt at the time this story supposedly occurred. 7:124

6. When Allah revealed himself to Moses, the mountain (Mt. Sinai?) came crashing down. 7:143

7. Humans created from a single man. 7:189

8. Joseph saw in a dream eleven planets. Does this mean that according to the Quran there are eleven planets in our solar system? 12:4

9. "The sun ... runneth unto an appointed term."
The sun (according to the Quran) orbits the earth. 13:2

10. "He ... spread out the earth."
Sounds like a flat earth to me. 13:3

11. "And the earth have We spread out."
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 15:19

12. "And thy Lord inspired the bee, saying ... eat of all fruits."
Allah told bees to eat from all fruits, but decided to eat nectar and pollen instead. 16:68-68

13. The sun rises and sets at particular places on a flat earth. At the westernmost point on earth, the sun sets in a muddy spring. 18:86, 90

14. Most scholars consider Dhu'l-Qarneyn ("The Two-Horned Lord") to be Alexander the Great, who is here presented as a devout Muslim. 18:83-98

15. The Pharaoh threatens to crucify Hebrews on palm tress. (But crucifixion was a Roman form of punishment that was unknown at the time.) 20:71

16. The sun "floats" in an orbit around the earth. 21:33

17. Allah created all animals. Some with no legs, some with two, and some with four. (Most animals have six legs. Did Allah forget about the insects?) 24:45

18. The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61

19. "He hath subdued the sun and moon to service. Each runneth unto an appointed term."
The sun orbits the earth. 35:13

20. "The sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him." 36:38

21. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit."
The sun and the moon orbit the earth. (Well at least Allah and Mo are half right here!) 36:40

22. Jonah was swallowed by a fish. 37:142

23. "We decked the nether heaven with lamps."
Allah put "lamps" in the lower heaven to serve as lights. These are the stars that we see in the sky at night. 41:12

24. "And the earth have We spread out."
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 50:7

25. "And the earth have We laid out, how gracious is the Spreader (thereof)!"
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 51:48

26. "The moon was rent in twain."
Muhammaed split the moon into two pieces. Beat that one, Jesus! 54:1-2

27. "Who hath created seven heavens ... Canst thou see any rifts?"
Allah asks Muhammed to examine the sky to see if it has any cracks. 67:3

28. Allah made the stars as missiles to throw at devils. 67:5

29. At the end of the world the earth with the mountains will be lifted up and crushed with one crash. 69:14

30. "And hath made the moon a light"
This verse implies that the moon produces its own light, rather than reflecting light from the sun. 71:16

31. "Have We not made the earth an expanse, And the high hills bulwarks?"
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 78:6-7

32. "He spread the earth."
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 79:30

33. Someday the stars will fall. 81:2

34. Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs." 86:5-7

35. "And the earth, how it is spread ?"
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 88:20

36. "The earth and Him Who spread it.">
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 91:6

37. Allah dealt with the owners of the elephant by sending swarms of "flying creatures". 105:1-3

 

[borrofburi]

The meaning of the word 'OR'.

or1  [awr; unstressed er]
-conjunction
1. (used to connect words, phrases, or clauses representing alternatives): books or magazines; to be or not to be.

It's the representing alternatives part that you continue to fail to understand. 'And' is also used to connect words, but not words that are alternatives, it's a question of when a statement is true:

• ......#1...... ......#2...... .....OR.....
• ....True.... ....True.... ....True....
• ....True.... ...False... ....True....
• ...False... ....True.... ....True....
• ...False... ...False... ....False....

• ......#1...... ......#2...... ....AND...
• ....True.... ....True.... ....True....
• ....True.... ...False... ...False...
• ...False... ....True.... ...False...
• ...False... ...False... ...False...

And you've still failed to answer me:

<all sorts of stuff that would fail a basic exams in english, logic, philosophy, and physics>

Look, what do you hope to accomplish? What is your goal? I will tell you exactly where you're going wrong, but so far as I can tell you don't have a goal here; you've entered an argument and your goal seems to be some unfocused abstract fuzzy concept of "to win" which is ultimately meaningless in this context. Is your goal to get us to believe in your god? Is your goal to get us to be deists? Is your goal for us to reject the word atheist without actually changing *any* of our positions? Is your goal to show off your poor english, your poor understanding of basic physics, or your poor logic? What is it precisely that you are attempting to accomplish here?

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[Gnug215]

Waza-Minooo44, how many times do we have to point out to you that your "simple question" is nonsensical and rubbish?

How many times must we tell you that the entire concept of your "argument" is just plain wrong?

When are you going to grasp this and stop spouting nonsense?

When are you going to accept that your lack of full comprehension of the English language is working against you?

Your arguments are incredibly foolish and immature, and yet you proclaim them loudly and proudly. It's just sad to watch.

 

[nemesiss]

unbefuckinglievable

is this even in English language ??? un - be - F**** - lievable

i wonder what language is that ?

its called "slang" , its a form of english.

"How can it be that the greeks were able to believe in a round earth even the couldn't go into outer space to see that it was round? "

A ) they were smart and could figure it out mathmatical

they are learned and Educated persons this is not miracle ? the miracle is information coming from illiterate man he doesn't know read nor write how come ?? it's impossible

first; what does that video on the qu'ran have to do with the greeks?
second; didn't greek society pre-date (which means exist before) the qu'ran?
third; when trying to proof a point properly, its important that you do not leave out certain point when making the argument.
often the answer is not important, its HOW you arrived at your answer that IS important.
this is also why i try to include the part to which you make your argument, so people understand what its all about.
fourth; i do not see how education and the transfer of knowledge is a miracle.
fifth; the greeks were not illiterate, they had their own language and they did write things down
note: were talking here about the ancient greeks, not the current greeks (for the record).
sixth; if the greeks got there information from some higher power, wouldn't they attribute that to THEIR gods such as Zeus and Apollo instead to some foreign yet unknown god?
additionally; if it were your god, isn't a horrible mean streak to pretend to be another god?

he's asking you to disprove the celestial teapot. not a picture of a person.

the person on that picture is Mr. Celestial Teapot :mrgreen:

well it was design by mr. Russel teapot Funny ! you want to make comparison between intellegent desing with FAIRY TALE ( in Russel brain ) it's weak argument any child in the street OR even gangster in the street can debunk this argument, bring somehting NEW :mrgreen:

lets try this again;
i take the stand that somewhere between the orbits of the planet earth and planet mars there is a chinese teapot.
can you give me 100% accurate proof that there is no chinese teapot between the orbits of the planet earth and planet mars, in such a way that i have no counter argument against you?

Mathematics is a human discovery. We've given things numbers and values. First came the orbit, then our ability to measure and work out the calculations.

do we need to discover this ? 1 +1+1+1 = 4 ??? even the ape can calculated what on the world you are talking about ? Design necessitates a designer this is common sense but what to do atheism is irrational they deny without single PROOF

ok, here is a trickier one
5+6 = 13
most people will say this is incorrect.
HOWEVER, the equations is correct, can you figure out why?
note: this is for our friend Waza-Minooo44, so please let him get the chance to answer it first.

So, what have you done?
Have you given any proof why the celestial teapot doesn't exist?

it's name of person :mrgreen: how in the world i disprove name of person ?? unless you are irrational and i expected from atheist can you disprove [ prophet of atheism Richard Dawkins ]

seventh; Dawkins is not a prophet, he is just a regular human.
he is someone who has devoted himself to science and reason, which are two things that are neither a religion.
eigth(?); what you are talking about here isn't the disproof the existance of the teapot.
what you are talking about is disproving someone who isn't richard Dawkins, with a picture of richard dawkins... this sounds quite contradictory, but what it can mean is something different.
Its not disproven the existance of Richard Dawkins, is proving the existance for a Richard Dawkins look-a-like.
in contrast (the opposite) of your claim, we can proof the existance of richard dawkins.
we can see him, hear him, touch him, smell him and taste him.... though i doubt he would like the last two.
i think those qualities proof his existance.

i would really like to be able to that to your god...

it would be an interesting excersice for Waza-Minooo44 to make a list of which arguments were made by us.
that way he can proof he isn't just a complete IDiot.

PRODUCE YOUR PROOF IF YOU ARE SPEAKING THE TRUTH

right.... either your english is so bad that you can't read and have no understanding of what had written, or you are indeed a complete IDiot! for some reason i feel its the second one.
to express the utter stupidity coming from the sentence your presented, you even make PCS look down-right intelligent.
and he has made some really stupid remarks and did some very unintelligent acts.
Perhaps gnug215's argument is best description.

For example, you can have an infinite amount of space, but space cannot be infinite. Just like you can have an infinite amount of matter, but matter cannot be infinite. Their can be an infinite amount of time, but time cannot be infinite.

Excellent you just prove my point :mrgreen: the space can't be infinite if we trace the time back we will end with this question
what is the first cause ?

and here comes the problem with that question, which is known are first cause problem.
the first argument made is that everything has a cause and is caused by something else.
the second argument made is that time is not infinite.

here is where the problem comes in.
you can claim that the first cause is your god... , what caused your god?
and stating god caused itself contradicts (is incorrect) with the first argument.

this can even be proven mathmatical!

 

[scalyblue]

ok, here is a trickier one
5+6 = 13
most people will say this is incorrect.
HOWEVER, the equations is correct, can you figure out why?
note: this is for our friend Waza-Minooo44, so please let him get the chance to answer it first.

Hehe.

There are only 10 types of people in the world.

 

[Zoten001]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OrUYta7OBM&feature=sub

You wanted an answer Waza? Well here you go. This video sums it up quite nicely.

 

[bruhaha2]

Disbelieve is not the same as deny in the English language.
disbelief means:
"to have no belief in; refuse or reject belief in"
belief means:
1an opinion
2 conviction
thus to disbelieve in this sense means one of four things:
1 "to refuse to be of the opinion" that there is a god
2 "to be of the opinion that there" is no god
3 "to refuse to be convicted" that there is a god
4 "to be of the conviction that there" is no god
To deny means:
1. to state that (something declared or believed to be true) is not true: to deny an accusation.
2. to refuse to agree or accede to: to deny a petition.
So, to deny in this sense would be:
1 To say that god is not real
2 to refuse to agree that god is real
Thus, though they may be similar, they are not the same.

Well, at the same time, deny can be interpreted in many ways. To deny can mean to reject.

I for one, as an atheist, accept atheism to mean, "The belief in no god," because it at least shows I'm capable of belief, which can infer that I'm capable of understanding. When we say something lacks a belief, this doesn't really mean anything beyond what we can induce about the person saying it.

For example, if I were to say I don't believe in a god, well, it's only true for what I don't do. Some may think it's only semantically different than saying , "I believe in no god," but I would beg to differ. In saying, "I believe in no god," it's at least saying I am capable of belief, whereas a baby or a rock is not. A belief is not a claim of truth, mind you. I believe in no god, but I'm not certain of no God. Certainty implies absolute truth, which I do not hold to be.

To be an atheist, I have to believe in no God when discussing the idea of god because I can't prove god doesn't exist. I can't prove anything doesn't exist. Anything that does exist is self evident, which is what theists must argue to sway me. They, however, show no proof, no empirical evidence, so I believe they are full of shit.