I DARE ANY atheists answer my simple Question !!!!

[Waza-Minooo44]

Atheist:
a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence intelligent design being.

Q) can you bring ONE SINGLE CONCLUSIVE ARGUMENT that disprove the existence of intelligent design being ?

if you can't answer it then why you call your self atheist ???

a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who [??????] or [??????] the existence intelligent design being.

the word "disbelieves" and "denies" is removed !!! now the definition become absurd now PROVE IT ! IF You can't then stay Quiet

 

[Aught3]

The operative word is or as I disbelieve in a god I'm an atheist, even by your own definition.

 

[Netheralian]

Atheist:
a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence intelligent design being.

Note the emphasis...

How do you prove you disbelieve something? You will just have to take my word for it...

Is it just me or is that rant only vaguely coherent?

 

[SchrodingersFinch]

1. Learn to read.
2. Learn some proper grammar and spelling.

if you can't answer it then why you call your self atheist ???

How else would I describe myself? You are either a theist or an atheist. 'Agnostic' can apply to both.
I can't disprove invisible unicorns, must I therefore believe in them?

 

[Squawk]

Atheist:
a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence intelligent design being.

Q) can you bring ONE SINGLE CONCLUSIVE ARGUMENT that disprove the existence of intelligent design being ??

if you can't answer it then why you call your self atheist ???


the word DENIAL APPEAR ! now PROVE IT ! IF YOU CAN'T THEN THE definition of atheism become absurd :lol: !


a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who [??????] or [??????] the existence intelligent design being.



the word "disbelieves" and "denies" is removed !!! now the definition become absurd now PROVE IT ! IF You can't then stay Quiet

Hmm, word salad, but lets go with it.

Atheist. Lacking belief in a deity.
Reason for atheism: Non-sequiter, lack of belief is a default position, it is impossible to believe in an entity until that entity has been posited to exist.

Want to erect an existence postulate. Fine, provide evidence for belief or expect it to be dismissed as an irrelevance.

So denial? Perhaps you should learn a little about logical fallacies.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

This is a hit-and-run, isn't it? One thing NOT to be thankful for today.

 

[borrofburi]

How else would I describe myself?

I tend to describe myself as "not religious" or "I don't believe in god (as I've yet to see any compelling evidence, and I have spent large amounts of time actively searching)" or even occasionally as "a skeptic". I find that the definition of "atheist" is highly personal, even among self-labelled atheists; but even worse I've met people who literally think the definition of atheist is "one who has sold his soul to the devil (and usually practices witchcraft and other antisocial behavior)". I just find that if I self label as "atheist" people almost always entirely misunderstand what I mean, or at the very least, get the wrong impression; so I've found ways to avoid this common misunderstanding by avoiding the word in favor of short summaries.

This is a hit-and-run, isn't it?

Probably; I don't get why they bother, surely they understand they convince absolutely no one this way. Even the most easily convinced people take days, weeks, even months of thinking and questions and the like; I'd be willing to wager that no one has ever been convinced of anything off a hit-and-run.

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

The operative word is or as I disbelieve in a god I'm an atheist, even by your own definition.

well this is not my problem !! THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM !

a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who DISBELIEVES OR DENIES the, existence intelligent design being.

IT SAYS DENIES !!! DO YOU SEE IT OR YOU NEED MICROSCOPE ???

How do you prove you disbelieve something? You will just have to take my word for it.

well ...... ahahahahhaha funny , you just prove to me Atheism is Absurd :mrgreen:

Atheism is Absurd !by Mr.Richard Dawkins

"The refusal to believe in anything you can't see yourself is absurd. Think about it? I never saw Napoleon with my own eyes, but that doesn't mean Napoleon didn't exist."~Richard Dawkins

I can't disprove invisible unicorns, must I therefore believe in them?

I'm not talking about about Paganism (the worship of idols) OR Incarnation (An incarnate form; a personification OR mythical ( Imaginary creature) I'm talking about CREATOR the one who create and design the entire universe or you can say the intelligent Designer.

unicorn goes under the category of mythical creature .

Atheist. Lacking belief in a deity.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism
Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.

the word deny Appear if you can't answer my question then the definition become Absurd :lol:

[?????] in or [??????] of the existence of God or gods.

I tend to describe myself as "not religious" or "I don't believe in god (as I've yet to see any compelling evidence, and I have spent large amounts of time actively searching)" or even occasionally as "a skeptic". I find that the definition of "atheist" is highly personal, even among self-labelled atheists; but even worse I've met people who literally think the definition of atheist is "one who has sold his soul to the devil (and usually practices witchcraft and other antisocial behavior)". I just find that if I self label as "atheist" people almost always entirely misunderstand what I mean, or at the very least, get the wrong impression; so I've found ways to avoid this common misunderstanding by avoiding the word in favor of short summaries.

it's vague no one Answer my SIMPLE QUESTION !!! is it difficult to answer it or what ?? the defnintion is clear ! NOW PROVE YOUR POSITION !

If you are speaking the truth tell the Truth !

Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful." [ Quran 2:111 ]

 

[Squawk]

So your point seems to be that the dictionary definition of atheist is wrong? Yeah, fair enough, I'll agree to that. Call me what you want, my position is lack of belief in a deity. I go with atheist for convenience.

You label Unicorns as mythical creatures. I label your god as the same.


Regarding the microscope, can I suggest you look up the definition of the word "or".

 

[borrofburi]

The operative word is or as I disbelieve in a god I'm an atheist, even by your own definition.

a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who DISBELIEVES OR DENIES the, existence intelligent design being.

IT SAYS DENIES !!! DO YOU SEE IT OR YOU NEED MICROSCOPE ???

Hey, you came back! Well ok... Let me break it down for you: the word "or" means that of two components in a set, only one of them needs to be true for the entire statement to be true; thus an atheist can be so without ever denying the existence of god, so long as he *does* "disbelieve" in said existence. Furthermore, all of us admit that we don't deny the existence of god, we simply don't believe, so what is your goal? At best you can hope to get us to stop using the specific *word* "atheist", but it doesn't change what (or how) we think about the world.

I can't disprove invisible unicorns, must I therefore believe in them?

I'm not talking about about Paganism (the worship of idols) OR Incarnation (An incarnate form; a personification OR mythical ( Imaginary creature) I'm talking about CREATOR the one who create and design the entire universe or you can say the intelligent Designer.

Oh, you misunderstood him, this unicorn *is* the creator god.

Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.

Fixed for you.


On a slightly more serious note: is english your second language? I don't mean to be critical, but there are signs that you don't have a mastery of written english (you're certainly very good at it, but you seem to be missing those few details here and there); I think you may be simply misunderstanding what these words mean.

 

[nasher168]

Can you disprove that the pink unicorn is our creator? Can you disprove that is The Flying Spaghetti Monster our creator? Can you disprove that Gaia is our creator?
No? Nor can I.
Likewise, we can't disprove that Yahweh/God/Allah is our creator either. But there is no reason that we should believe in it.

 

[Aught3]

Cool, you came back. Unfortunately, you don't seem to get my point.

well this is not my problem !! THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM !

a"¢the"¢ist (ā'thÄ“-Ä­st)
n. One who DISBELIEVES OR DENIES the, existence [of an] intelligent design being

Okay, there are two possible definitions for atheist here:
1. one who disbelieves and denies the, existence of an intelligent design being.
2. one who disbelieves or denies the existence of an intelligent design being.

You seem to think you provided the first definition rather than the second. I can tell you as someone who speaks English as his first language that the two sentences have quite different meanings. My point was that even under the second definition (the one you provided) I was still an atheist.

But let's say that you provided the first definition. To be an atheist you have to both disbelieve and deny the existence of an intelligent design being. Under that definition I would not be an atheist, however that doesn't change the fact that I don't accept the existence of your god. Talking about the definition of words can be important but you must see that there is no way we would accept theism just because atheism was merely defined as nonsensical.

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

my position is lack of belief in a deity. I go with atheist for convenience.

if it's lack as you claim ! then PROVE YOUR POSITION that's all by answering my question

. I label your god as the same.

Unicorn is Creature Mr.atheist ! God is Creator

crea⋅ture  [kree-cher]
-noun
anything created, whether animate or inanimate.


God is creator !

cre,·a,·tor (krÄ“-ā'tÉ™r)
n.
One that creates

Hey, you came back! Well ok... Let me break it down for you: the word "or" means that of two components in a set, only one of them needs to be true for the entire statement to be true; thus an atheist can be so without ever denying the existence of god, so long as he *does* "disbelieve" in said existence. Furthermore, all of us admit that we don't deny the existence of god, we simply don't believe, so what is your goal? At best you can hope to get us to stop using the specific *word* "atheist", but it doesn't change what (or how) we think about the world.

first of all instead of giving your own interpatation ! provide your evidence with PROOF ! as i do !

Mr. atheist the meaning is the same you want to try to twist the game but you failed

or1  [awr; unstressed er]
(used to connect alternative terms for the same thing): the Hawaiian, or Sandwich, Islands.

DISBELIEVE = DENY !!
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/deny

Synonyms for Deny :
abjure, abnegate, ban, begrudge, call on, contradict, contravene, controvert, curb, disacknowledge, disallow, disavow, :mrgreen: disbelieve :mrgreen: ,discard, disclaim, discredit, disown, disprove, doubt, enjoin from, eschew, exclude, forbid, forgo, forsake, gainsay, hold back, keep back, negate, negative, not buy, nullify, oppose, rebuff, rebut, recant, refuse, refute, reject, repudiate, restrain, revoke, sacrifice, say no to, spurn, taboo, take exception to, turn down, turn thumbs down, veto, withhold

all what i asked for is ONE Argument is that difficult Mr.atheist ?

On a slightly more serious note: is english your second language? I don't mean to be critical, but there are signs that you don't have a mastery of written english (you're certainly very good at it, but you seem to be missing those few details here and there); I think you may be simply misunderstanding what these words mean.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism
Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.

i didn't know you are English teacher :mrgreen:

Can you disprove that is The Flying Spaghetti Monster our creator?

flying spaghetti It was created in 2005 by Bobby Henderson . in anthoer word it was produced by human beings possessed of intelligence and consciousness, the ability to calculate, plan and manufacture . it was CREATED

IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT . IT'S IN Bobby Henderson BRAIN

Can you disprove that Gaia is our creator?

Gaia (pronounced /ˈɡeɪ.É™/ or /ˈɡaɪ.É™/; "land" or "earth", from the Ancient Greek Γαῖα; also Gà¦a or Gea (Koine and Modern Greek Γῆ)[1] is the primal Greek goddess personifying the Earth.

Gaia goes under the category of Incarnation (An incarnate form; a personification means MAN-GOD ) for example: Cosmic Jewish Zombie [ I mean Jesus in Christianity ]

But let's say that you provided the first definition. To be an atheist you have to both disbelieve and deny the existence of an intelligent design being. Under that definition I would not be an atheist, however that doesn't change the fact that I don't accept the existence of your god. Talking about the definition of words can be important but you must see that there is no way we would accept theism just because atheism was merely defined as nonsensical.

You start from the point and you finish without answering my question :mrgreen: bring one argument ! that's all !

 

[Squawk]

I already pointed out that asking for proof of a negative of an existence postulate is a non-sequiter. If you need a lesson in logic I can provide one.

 

[Aught3]

You start from the point and you finish without answering my question :mrgreen: bring one argument ! that's all !

I'm happy to do it, but can you first acknowledge the point that we've been making in response to your initial claim?

 

[xman]

I already pointed out that asking for proof of a negative of an existence postulate is a non-sequiter. If you need a lesson in logic I can provide one.

This is obvious. You may begin, but do not expect it to be understood by OP.

Waza, your definition of 'atheist' includes yourself (as all good definitions should) since you clearly disbelieve and/or deny the existence of Ra, Chaos, Brahma or dozens of other creators. And before you can even ask your question you must provide 'proof' of any such god(s). Asking your question first is the philosophical equivalent of saying, "don't think about bananas".

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

I already pointed out that asking for proof of a negative of an existence postulate is a non-sequiter. If you need a lesson in logic I can provide one.

In the 5th cent. B.C. the Greek philosophers Democritus and Leucippus proposed that matter was made up of tiny, indivisible particles they called atom, or in Greek "a-tomos". The reason why they assumed this is BECAUSE NOTHING CAN COME FROM NOTHING but at his era did they believe in the Atom ? of course yes ! because these great people think with rationality !

but can you first acknowledge the point that we've been making in response to your initial claim?

what i mean is ... you start to bring definition of atheism and then you start to bring your own interpretation ( the definition say it clearly D.E.N.Y. ) Can you bring one argument that Intelligent design doesn't exist ? because when you say ? "DENY" that means you have the answer !!! all what i asked for ONE argument in fact i didn't asked 10 arguments .

however that doesn't change the fact that I don't accept the existence of your god.

Q ) are you atheist or Agnostic ?

 

[Aught3]

what i mean is ... you start to bring definition of atheism and then you start to bring your own interpretation ( the definition say it clearly D.E.N.Y. )

I'm not sure how to make it any clearer.

Here's what I think and you can tell me where I fall in your definitions:
I don't believe in the existence of any gods.
I think it is possible that a god may exist, but that it is unlikely.
Based on this I would call myself an atheist, what would you all me?

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

Waza, your definition of 'atheist' includes yourself (as all good definitions should) since you clearly disbelieve and/or deny the existence of Ra, Chaos, Brahma or dozens of other creators. And before you can even ask your question you must provide 'proof' of any such god(s). Asking your question first is the philosophical equivalent of saying, "don't think about bananas".

Any rational with brain knows design necessitates a designer even Aristotle ! the irrational the one who D.E.N.Y. without single Argument !
if you have O.N.E. then bring it !


Aristotle, Metaphysics, Book 12 (Lambda) chapters 6-10
[Sed quoniam tres sunt] Since there were three kinds of substance, two of them physical and one unmovable, regarding the latter we must assert that it is necessary that there should be an eternal unmovable substance. For substances are the first of existing things, and if they are all destructible, all things are destructible. But it is impossible that movement should either have come into being or cease to be (for it must always have existed), or that time should. For there could not be a before and an after if time did not exist. Movement also is continuous, then, in the sense in which time is; for time is either the same thing as movement or an attribute of movement. And there is no continuous movement except movement in place, and of this only that which is circular is continuous.

I'm not sure how to make it any clearer.

Here's what I think and you can tell me where I fall in your definitions:
I don't believe in the existence of any gods.
I think it is possible that a god may exist, but that it is unlikely.
Based on this I would call myself an atheist, what would you all me?

i think you are mixed with Agnostic !!

ag⋅nos⋅tic  [ag-nos-tik]
agnostic does not deny the existence of God and heaven but holds that one cannot know for certain whether or not they exist.

Atheist is different !! atheism is even WORSE Atheism D.E.N.Y. the existence of Creator ! all what i asked for is to bring one argument that's all .

 

[Aught3]

i think you are mixed with Agnostic !!

ag⋅nos⋅tic  [ag-nos-tik]
agnostic does not deny the existence of God and heaven but holds that one cannot know for certain whether or not they exist.

Well agnosticism describes my lack of certainty on the issue, as it would for all issues in which we can't have absolute knowledge. However, it doesn't cover my lack of belief in god. I could believe in god but not be sure or I could not believe in god and not be sure. I am firmly in the second camp and because of this I am an atheist.

An argument against a creator god would probably start with the lack of evidence for one. A god has not been shown to be needed in order for the universe to come into existence or to develop the way it has. You brought up the argument that nothing can come from nothing, but that doesn't seem to be true anymore. Quantum physics predicts that particles are popping in and out of existence all the time. Get one of these particles appearing in just the right way and you will have started a universe.