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Covid-19 (Coronavirus)

arg-fallbackName="he_who_is_nobody"/>
I am 100% for mask-wearing to become a near-universal practice. There does not have to be a mandate, but it should be something that people should be allowed to do, just like wearing hats or sunglasses. And it helps!
 
arg-fallbackName="Deleted member 619"/>
I guess my main problem with the covid19 is that I think we are all over-reacting a bit.
An averted crisis is entirely indistinguishable from a pointless over-reaction. Remember the Y2K bug? People still think that was variously a hoax or an over-reaction, but the fact is that it was a real problem that we worked to fix. It's in the nature of such things that a good outcome will always be viewed by some as evidence that there was never a problem in the first place.
 
arg-fallbackName="Deleted member 619"/>
There is no evidence they tried to cover up anything ...

And you are supposed to wear pants, a mask is no different.
I'd argue that wearing a mask is different, because it's of benefit to society, while the wearing of pants stems from a silly taboo foisted on us by the religious and has no utility whatsoever.
 
arg-fallbackName="Deleted member 42253"/>
Wrong approach hack, just argue that the mouth is also a sexual organ and needs to be covered up to appease our puritan values.

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arg-fallbackName="Led Zeppelin"/>
There is no evidence they tried to cover up anything ...
Even if I had no evidence that China tried to cover up the Covid19 outbreak, I would automatically know that China tried to cover it up because that is their modus operandi. They ban media coverage and information sharing and engage in censorship during a catastrophe. They do this because they want to limit criticisms of their government. If my memory is correct, there is actually peer reviewed material out there on China's coverup of SARS..(Someone here would probably know if there is)

Apart from this, virtually every step of China's cover up of covid19 has been reported on in every country I can think of. From the government first trying to suppress information from local doctors and officials to then blaming them for not providing information and so on.

Which parts of China's response to Covid19 was not a cover up? The part where they said it came from the US? I dont get it..
 
arg-fallbackName="Led Zeppelin"/>
An averted crisis is entirely indistinguishable from a pointless over-reaction. Remember the Y2K bug? People still think that was variously a hoax or an over-reaction, but the fact is that it was a real problem that we worked to fix. It's in the nature of such things that a good outcome will always be viewed by some as evidence that there was never a problem in the first place.
True. But I think the time for over-reacting is over now.
 
arg-fallbackName="Deleted member 42253"/>
Well, if it was reported on in every country, you should have no problem finding one or two credible sources that present evidence for it, if you would be so kind?
 
arg-fallbackName="Deleted member 42253"/>
Got lots of official quotes from them denying it though.
 
arg-fallbackName="Deleted member 42253"/>
Speaking of China, they got a better official stance on Corona than the US, Australia and the UK together ...


"Fifth, we must address both the symptoms and root causes as we improve the governance system. The pandemic is an extensive test of the global health governance system. It is important that we strengthen and leverage the role of the UN and the WHO and improve the global disease prevention and control system to better prevent and respond to future pandemics. It is important that we uphold the spirit of extensive consultation, joint contribution and shared benefits, fully heed the views of developing countries, and better reflect their legitimate concerns. It is also important that we enhance our capacity of monitoring, early-warning and emergency response, our capacity of treatment of major pandemics, of contingency reserve and logistics, of fighting disinformation, and of providing support to developing countries."

Meanwhile, Trump defunded the WHO and accused them of shilling for China and was even talking about pulling out of the UN(I wish he did).

And let me tell you a secret, whenever China is up to something, they actually do announce it on their website.


They are surprisingly open with their foreign policy especially.
 
arg-fallbackName="Deleted member 619"/>
Even if I had no evidence that China tried to cover up the Covid19 outbreak, I would automatically know that China tried to cover it up because that is their modus operandi.
Citation?
They ban media coverage and information sharing and engage in censorship during a catastrophe. They do this because they want to limit criticisms of their government. If my memory is correct, there is actually peer reviewed material out there on China's coverup of SARS..(Someone here would probably know if there is)
If it exists, you should be able to find it. it's really easy tracking peer-reviewed material. Just include 'scholar' in your search term and you'll get links to google scholar. I'm usually happy to do this a few times to show how it's done, but this has already been done for you, and it really is your responsibility to provide evidence. Suggesting that we go and find this material isn't just fallacious (this particular logical fallacy is known as onus probandi; lit burden of proof), it renders everything you say suspect.

It really is always a good idea simply to fact-check yourself before posting. I know that's what I do, because I know that any contentious assertion I make will be challenged, and quite correctly. It's good practice, and it get you in the habit of finding the support for your arguments, which also increases your ability to learn and digest new information.

That said, I have serious doubts about the existence of this material, because that's not the sort of thing that undergoes peer-review.
Apart from this, virtually every step of China's cover up of covid19 has been reported on in every country I can think of.
Virtually every country also has news reports stating that anthropogenic climate change isn't real. That's not a guide to veracity.
From the government first trying to suppress information from local doctors and officials to then blaming them for not providing information and so on.
The only government source I've seen taking this seriously is somebody who is very much not to be taken seriously.
Which parts of China's response to Covid19 was not a cover up? The part where they said it came from the US? I dont get it..
And you have a citation for this assertion, I assume.
 
arg-fallbackName="Deleted member 619"/>
True. But I think the time for over-reacting is over now.
There was never any over-reacting. That was the point I was making. It looks like an over-reaction, because the crisis was sufficiently mitigated to make it look that way, despite how shockingly badly it was handled.
 
arg-fallbackName="Deleted member 619"/>
Sorry. I don't have an official quote from the government of China that says they covered up the virus.
Well, I wasn't looking for an official statement from the government. What, you think I'd take ANY government's word for anything? I'm not an imbecile.
 
arg-fallbackName="Deleted member 42253"/>
So ... if I claimed Trump was still president and was citing social media post for it, that would be enough for you, to consider it proven that Trump was still president?
Thats basically what the BBC did there.

And if you read carefully, they do not even claim that China was covering anything up, just that they were supressing information inside the country and blamed the Wuhan local authorities for acting too slowly and too late. Thats a far cry from what you said.
 
arg-fallbackName="Deleted member 619"/>
How old are you?
What sort of question is that? It looks a lot like poisoning the well.

I'm starting to think that some time spent learning the rudiments of logic would serve you well here. If that sounds insulting, I apologise, but most people think they have a grasp of logic, and they're almost all entirely wrong.

Here's something on your current fallacy to add to your burgeoning reading list:

Don't Drink That!
 
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