Covid-19 (Coronavirus)

[Deleted member 619]

The WHO(or WHO spokespeople) not being able to even talk about Taiwan, as to not get into the political clusterfuck, seems very relevant and a good indicator for how delicate its relationship with China is.

Of curse it's delicate, but it's no more delicate than it has been since the inception of the UN.

You seem to be seriously overestimating the amount of influence the WHO and UN have on China and completly underestimating the delicate political tightrope walk it takes, to get China to cooperate with anyone.

No, I'm not. What you seem to be suggesting is that this is something new and interesting and relevant to what's happening now. That it's something of special concern now, despite it having been a function of ALL international diplomacy - not just with China - since the notion of a national border first found spark in the mind of an idiot.

This is nothing new, and has been the case all the time we've had international cooperation. It's in the nature of diplomacy.

 

[Deleted member 42253]

I would argue that is much more delicate since the recent trade war of the US against China.
Then there is their attempt to revive the red scare, just this time with China as the object of fear ... nevermind that Chinas economic success is starting to threaten the etablished world order.

Sure, this is the same ol bs we have seen over and over again throughout history, but we seem not to have learned anything ... so its all new all over again every time it happens. I am tired ...

 

[Deleted member 619]

I would argue that is much more delicate since the recent trade war of the US against China.

I'd argue the opposite, especially since the Cheeto-in-chief had such a crappy relationship with the WHO (ETA: I'm being facetious here, to show what the ultimate value is of an argument I can't support with evidence; such proclamations have no value). The WHO is not the US, and all cooperation with the UN is bidirectional as a matter of law.

Then there is their attempt to revive the red scare, just this time with China as the object of fear ... nevermind that Chinas economic success is starting to threaten the etablished world order.

Revive? The red scare never went away. if you think it has, you haven't been paying attention. Why do you think Bernie Sanders was never going to be in with a shout of getting elected (or Corbyn, for that matter; McCarthyism isn't uniquely American)?

Sure, this is the same ol bs we have seen over and over again throughout history, but we seem not to have learned anything ... so its all new all over again every time it happens. I am tired ...

Not sure what point you're trying to make here, only that it doesn't go any way toward providing evidence for your contention - the contention that motivated this entire exchange - that China is 'barely tolerating the WHO's presence'.

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

The link you provided does not work.

I've corrected the link - apologies to all.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Deleted member 42253]

Yeah, I tend to forget, that socialist is still a bad word in the US.

And okey, let me make it a bit clearer then. The WHO is completly dependent on Chinas cooperation. They can not even set foot in that country, without the chinese governments permission, same for any other country. The WHO has no power and no authority.
In addition, the WHO is very careful not to offend the chinese government, be it by mentioning Taiwan or on other topics. In additon, they are kissing up to the chinese government, for example by lauding them for their response to the Corona outbreak.

How China blocked WHO and Chinese scientists early in coronavirus outbreak

Despite publicly lauding China, WHO officials complained privately that the country wasn't sharing vital information.

www.nbcnews.com

"Throughout January, the World Health Organization publicly praised China for what it called a speedy response to the new coronavirus. It repeatedly thanked the Chinese government for sharing the genetic map of the virus “immediately,” and said its work and commitment to transparency were “very impressive, and beyond words.”"
Conclusion, it seems like the WHO is trying its hardest to not lose the cooperation of the chinese government. They would not go through all that effort(especially since they are being criticised savagely by the US, UK and Australia) for no reason.

How WHO Became China’s Coronavirus Accomplice

Beijing is pushing to become a public health superpower—and quickly found a willing international partner.

foreignpolicy.com

Example of savagery.

There is basically no end to articles like these ... and I am not even taking the more extreme parts of the media into account.

Oh and I make a lot of points. Just for the heck of it.

 

[Deleted member 619]

What those articles tell us about reality is that people write articles. There are no data whatsoever to suggest that this line of enquiry is worthy of a blog post, let alone headlines. What it amounts to is an admission on the art of the arguer that they don't understand diplomacy.

The AP piece is among the shoddiest bitsof pseudo-science journalism I've ever seen, containing embedded quotes that do not add up to the writer's conclusions, taking them out of all context.

Meanwhile, still not a scrap of evidence presented that supports the contention that opened this line of discussion. news articles won't cut it, not least because their opinions are not facts. As for the number of articles, the plural of anecdote is not data.

 

[Deleted member 42253]

Sorry, I do not have any access to transcripts of direct conversations between chinese government officials and WHO official.
All I can work with, is what the international press is reporting and drawing conclusions based on that.

And yeah, most reporting on China has been terrible .. but fear not, it is about to get even worse, since CNN is now entering the ring.

 

[Sparhafoc]

H10N3 coming to a lung near you soon!

 

[ldmitruk]

H10N3 coming to a lung near you soon!

Just when when we thought it was safe to get together again.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

H10N3 coming to a lung near you soon!

Just when when we thought it was safe to get together again.

Thanks, Obama.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Why do we still have to wear masks if we already have been vaccinated?

 

[Deleted member 619]

Because you can still be a carrier. The mask isn't for your protection (though it does afford some), it's for the protection of others, such as people who are immunocompromised after transplant or chemotherapy, for example, or are allergic to the vaccine.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

I guess we will just have to all where masks forever. Thanks China.

 

[Deleted member 619]

No, only until we achieve herd immunity and for as long as we maintain it (for this pathogen, anyway).

 

[Deleted member 42253]

Not Chinas fault, COVID or something similiar could have emerged from any country in the world. The US for example is always in danger to create a super bug in one of their factory farms and the seas of shit they produce. Oh and the next pandemic is just a question of time .. maybe this time is gonna be boars in Belgium or a mink farm in Ukraine.

And wearing a mask is just good manners, we should keep that up anyways, since it helps against about half the diseases that are out there, especially in combination with washing your hands and not touching people you do not want to fuck.

Recent poll from Germany, more than half of Germans want to keep wearing a mask, even after COVID is declared over, 10% are undecided, 30% refuse. Roughly.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

I guess my main problem with the covid19 is that I think we are all over-reacting a bit. Last Saturday night, where I live, the police were beating up and tear gassing 20 year olds in the "alternative district" because they said there were too many of them. What the hell are kids supposed to do on a Saturday Night? Do we really need to be tear-gasses people for engaging in normal human behavior.

My better half was actually working in a special corona virus station at hospital in major city in Germany for most of last year and some of this year. She had almost nothing to do the whole time and finally they ended it a couple months ago. They had 30 patients in intensive care. Half of them died. All who died were over the age of 70 except for 1 who was in his late 60's. Consider that 40 of their staff tested positive(all staff members are tested twice a week) during the last outbreak/wave and only 2 had symptoms and normally only people who have symptoms are tested in the first place...

 

[Deleted member 42253]

You are kinda answering your own question ... Germans are notorious rule followers, so of course Corona did not get as bad there as in other countries.

Was bad enough though and more than enough people died.

As for what 20 year olds are supposed to do on Saturday nights .. play video games, drink, masturbate ... sitting on your ass, drinking beer and watching Netflix with one hand in your pants, is not a big ask.



"We ll send the police ... with flamethrowers!"

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Not Chinas fault.

Is it China's fault that they tried to cover up the outbreak?

And wearing a mask is just good manners, we should keep that up anyways

No, I think it is bizarre to expect people to wear masks all the time.

 

[Deleted member 42253]

There is no evidence they tried to cover up anything ...

And you are supposed to wear pants, a mask is no different.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

You are kinda answering your own question ... Germans are notorious rule followers, so of course Corona did not get as bad there as in other countries.

Huh? What question am I answering?