US Spiralling Down

[BoganUSAFFLClerk]

Not to defend Sleepy Joe, but the man has been in office for four months and had to oversee and correct the botched vaccine rollout. I feel judging him on an issue such as gun violence this early is asinine. It would be like giving Don Corona credit for the good economy that he inherited from Uncle Berry. Anything happening this early in an administration is most likely the result of the last administration.

Been in longer than 4 months. Even still people have harsh criticism for any president any political leader that they have information on so this comment is nonsense.

 

[BoganUSAFFLClerk]

Biden just represents a return to past norms; anyone who was expecting him to be a shining star of revolutionary ideals clearly wasn't paying attention in the first place. Biden was an unfortunate necessity - absent a clown like Trump, I don't think he'd have had a shot at the WH.

Biden can't even keep his lines in order and had far more trouble managing stairs. Biden is far worse a laughing stock than Trump. Trump isn't exactly full of tact but at least the is competent if not an asshole. Which would you rather have?

 

[BoganUSAFFLClerk]

You might want to fill in the gaps there between your claims and your support for those claims.

For example, the contention that Trump was competent. Or what, expressly, has supposedly got worse under Biden?

All I am seeing is protest sounds, but not any substance to those protests.

Ok how about the lowest recorded unemployment rate? How about the best general state of the economy prior to Covid epidemic?

 

[Sparhafoc]

Biden can't even keep his lines in order and had far more trouble managing stairs.

I mean, that's clearly not the case.

Biden is far worse a laughing stock than Trump.

I really don't know why you think that stating your opinions as facts meets my request for you to fill in the gaping holes between your claims and the support for your claims.

Trump isn't exactly full of tact but at least the is competent if not an asshole.

HAHAHAHA

You think Trump was competent?

Wow.

Which would you rather have?

I'd rather have Biden as President for life than Trump for 5 minutes - there's no comparison at all. Trump is a stupid, dangerous little fuckwit who caused immense damage to the US in just one term. Fortunately, most of the public weren't as incapable of seeing that as you appear to be.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Ok how about the lowest recorded unemployment rate? How about the best general state of the economy prior to Covid epidemic?

Well, this is an intriguing bait and switch - weren't you supposed to be defending your assertion than some unstated thing 'has gotten worse' under Biden - now you appear to want to argue something else entirely.

 

[BoganUSAFFLClerk]

You think Trump was competent?

Is this the proper way to handle stairs?

Is this the proper way to speak your lines from your script?

Biden's nickname here is a Pedo Joe and Sleepy Joe because he is so detestable and incompetent on a variety of topics.

Yes Trump was competent better shape then compared to now under months of Joe - no question.

Well, this is an intriguing bait and switch - weren't you supposed to be defending your assertion than some unstated thing 'has gotten worse' under Biden - now you appear to want to argue something else entirely.

Trump was better than Biden because the lowest unemployment rate and the best general state of the economy was better under TRUMP. I haven't changed my argument whatsoever.

 

[Deleted member 619]

Is this the proper way to handle stairs?

Is this the proper way to speak your lines from your script?

Biden's nickname here is a Pedo Joe and Sleepy Joe because he is so detestable and incompetent on a variety of topics.

Dunno what discursive circles you're used to moving in, but whataboutism doesn't discharge your responsibilities here, because it simply doesn't answer the question put to you. Whether Joe can walk up a flight of steps to a plane (pretty sure I can find plenty of instances of Trump making a complete arse of this as well) says precisely nothing about Drumpf's competence.

Yes Trump was competent better shape then compared to now under months of Joe - no question.

Except you've been asked the question, and your response has been merely to assert it.

Trump was better than Biden because the lowest unemployment rate and the best general state of the economy was better under TRUMP.

Fascinating. The current unemployment rate is largely a direct result of the pandemic. Now, I'd actually be loath to lay the burden for that at Drumpf's door, but it's considerably more appropriate to lay it there than at Biden's, for the simple reason that this a) all happened on Drumpf's watch and b) was directly impacted, at least in scale, by Drumpf's catastrophic failure to take the problem seriously until well after the horse had bolted.


Much the same is true of the economy. In fact, the economy is beginning to turn now that vaccination rates have been improved. Still some way to go, but none of this can really be blamed on Biden.

I haven't changed my argument whatsoever.

Of course you haven't, dear. You haven't even owned your argument yet. I look forward to that.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Been in longer than 4 months.

You are right. Five months.

Even still people have harsh criticism for any president any political leader that they have information on so this comment is nonsense.

Oh I understand that people do that. And I pointed out that it was asinine. Just because people do it doesn’t mean it is correct.

Ok how about the lowest recorded unemployment rate? How about the best general state of the economy prior to Covid epidemic?

Hilarious! In my comment, I pointed out that giving Don Corona credit for these things is obtuse since both of those were already on the up under Unlce Berry, yet you still held them up as something Don Corona accomplish. Simply hilarious.

Is this the proper way to handle stairs?

But in all fairness, watching Sleepy Joe trip on the stairs is hilarious and I could watch that all day.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Wait until Biden has to face the terrifying slightly steep slope of a ramp with only a West Point Superintendent to prop him up.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Make America Flat Again

 

[Sparhafoc]

Incidentally, considering the OP was written in 2018 before QAnon gained traction...

the crackpot crew start claiming it's a false flag operation showing just how much in debt the far-right is to conspiracy peddlers

... this seems to have been rather frighteningly accurate, and it ain't better yet either.

Still more than half of Republican voters believe the bullshit that the election was stolen from their Dear Leader, and that either a) true patriots in government are ready to topple Biden or b) that God is going to intervene and place Trump back on his earthly throne.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

the economy was better under TRUMP.

The state of a nation's economy is probably not the best metric to judge it's leader by.

That being said, I think we are all pretty lucky to have someone like you here. This forum really needs a great economics expert such as yourself.

*shakes hand*

 

[BoganUSAFFLClerk]

whataboutism doesn't discharge your responsibilities here

Whataboutism is a comparison. The Comparison is between Trump and Biden. I have given you an exmaple as to why Biden is incompetent. Not being able to operate stairs after directly attempting to make fun of Trump for not being able to handle stairs supposedly then failing in this regard shows the failure is Biden's in scope and severity.

Except you've been asked the question, and your response has been merely to assert it.

Was the economy better under Trump or Biden?
Trump terms 4.7% - 3.1% below historic norms.
Biden so far is above historic norms of unemployment and his presidency isn't even over yet.
Yes higher unemployment rates during Biden compared to Trump absolutely no question.

The current unemployment rate is largely a direct result of the pandemic.

Uhh huhh yes and who supports shutting down the economy Biden or Trump? I'll give you a hint it rhymes with "Dopey Blow".

 

[BoganUSAFFLClerk]

Is this the proper way to handle stairs?
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Yes, notice he is going UP the stairs and going DOWN the stairs. He handled the stairs perfectly which makes him competent. More competent than Joe which is the entire argument.

The problem lies with him managing wet bathroom stalls and bathroom paper. Far easier to not notice and power through having paper on your shoe rather than not noticing where to put your feet on a the stair after criticizing others for not being able to handle what you yourself cannot handle.

Ironically it would be more difficult to climb stairs with wet shoes and something stuck to your shoe but ironically the orange managed far better than Joe ever could. Even in partial failure Trump is still better.

 

[Sparhafoc]

I have an opinion, but I see no good reason at all to pretend it's other than a fact.

 

[Sparhafoc]

So the support for the starting assertion that

"it has gotten worse considering Biden is at the helm"

Is... Trump walked down ramps better than Biden walked up stairs.

 

[BoganUSAFFLClerk]

I have an opinion, but I see no good reason at all to pretend it's other than a fact.

Is walking harder or easier considering your feet are wet and may or may not have something underneath them possibly tripping you? Yes or No?

"it has gotten worse considering Biden is at the helm"

No 3 times the violent crime rate in my area since the changing of the guard would prove Biden is worse than Trump. Higher unemployment rate would be evidence of Biden doing worse. The massive time wasting and lack of positive results would mean Biden is worse than Trump. The massive wasting of tax payer dollar dollars granting other nations funds for piss poor reasons over the betterment of the U.S. under Biden. Biden's stance on immigration giving incentive more illegal immigration not less would make it better under Trump for U.S. citizens. Biden not actually following through on infrastructure is making the U.S. worse. Biden only addressing one thing at a time and not managing things in a timely manner is making the U.S. worse. His dumb agreements about gun control by trying implement pistol brace ban through the appointing of the ATF director would be making America worse. I could go on but I don't see a point I don't think any of these are going to be seriously addressed or you even have knowledge on them.

 

[Deleted member 619]

Whataboutism is a comparison. The Comparison is between Trump and Biden. I have given you an exmaple as to why Biden is incompetent. Not being able to operate stairs after directly attempting to make fun of Trump for not being able to handle stairs supposedly then failing in this regard shows the failure is Biden's in scope and severity.

Whataboutism is a deflection from your discursive responsibilities. it has literally no fucking bearing on the question put to you. Biden's ability to walk up a flight of stairs unaided has no logical connection to Trump's competence in any way, shape or form. If you think it does, you're not equipped for discussion on this forum. If you're willing to actually defend it as a debate tactic, then I have to say you've managed to shock me, which I thought was impossible by this point, because such a position sets a new record for incompetence in basic logical inference, and that's a truly spectacular achievement on a forum whose original incarnation was specifically in the context of addressing the pernicious tactics of the most logically-challenged people on the planet. Congratulations, you just failed at logic worse than the worst creationist. You've set a new standard for utter failure to think.

All of which is entirely setting aside that Trump on his best day couldn't think his way out of an open gate (notice how I managed to comment on Trump's competence without referring to anybody other than Trump? It's almost like they're different, unconnected things, or something.

It's not only a glaring logical fallacy, it tells me you're happy to lie in defence of your ill-considered arse-gravy. Permission to treat the witness as hostile, your honour?

Was the economy better under Trump or Biden?
Trump terms 4.7% - 3.1% below historic norms.
Biden so far is above historic norms of unemployment and his presidency isn't even over yet.
Yes higher unemployment rates during Biden compared to Trump absolutely no question.

Uhh huhh yes and who supports shutting down the economy Biden or Trump? I'll give you a hint it rhymes with "Dopey Blow".

Wow, it's almost like I didn't just explain in detail why your comparison is fucking stupid, or something.

You're comparing apples and oranges. oranges, in fact, inherited from and made worse by the orange in chief.

0/10 - probably can't do better.

 

[Deleted member 619]

Yes, notice he is going UP the stairs and going DOWN the stairs. He handled the stairs perfectly which makes him competent. More competent than Joe which is the entire argument.

By this metric, VenomFangX is a logician par excellence, because VenomFangX is more competent at logic than you.

That would be like me demonstrating that Tom Cruise is tall by standing him next to Danny DefuckingVito.

You really are shit at this logic thing.

By the same token, I could point out that Joe can say 'United States of America' without making it sound like his dentures are twelve sizes too big, and point to a video of your masturbation fantasy saying 'uniedshayshofaweriwa'. Of course, I'm not a complete moron incapable of following the basic rules of inference, so I'd never be stupid enough to draw any conclusions about general competence from a faux pas caught on tape.

I wonder what blunders we'd catch from you in an unguarded moment on camera, given the degree of incompetence you've already shown us willingly?

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Yes, notice he is going UP the stairs and going DOWN the stairs. He handled the stairs perfectly which makes him competent. More competent than Joe which is the entire argument.

The problem lies with him managing wet bathroom stalls and bathroom paper. Far easier to not notice and power through having paper on your shoe rather than not noticing where to put your feet on a the stair after criticizing others for not being able to handle what you yourself cannot handle.

Ironically it would be more difficult to climb stairs with wet shoes and something stuck to your shoe but ironically the orange managed far better than Joe ever could. Even in partial failure Trump is still better.

Since navigating stairs is such a high priority for you in a President, I must ask how you feel about FDR?

Also, it speaks volumes that you will only address these parts of my comments.