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Most conservatives are paleo, to be fair. It's pretty much a tautology.
BoganUSAFFLClerk
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Says public opinion not just me.
Trump also wore masks and yet got the Corona virus legitimizing and making my point for me.
Fact Check . org
Trump ordered those vaccines and paid tax payer dollars in advance to secure a number of vaccines in which Biden used as part of him distributing a set of vaccines.
BoganUSAFFLClerk
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In came into question therefore you ask for evidence correct? The point of contention was audio so you need audio. Videos are the most common form of getting audio nowadays.
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Public opinion isn't the arbiter of facts.
Actually, it made my point for me, namely that you're entirely clueless about everything.
Repeat after me: masks aren't to reduce reception, they're to reduce transmission.
he_who_is_nobody
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You need to get out of your bubble a little more if you think that is a common public opinion. You also need to get your head out of your ass if you think public opinion equates to a fact.
You realize there are pictures of Don Corona from the super-spreader event at the White House, right? Who are you going to believe, your lying eyes or something from the desk of your Dear Leader?
However, this is besides the point I was making. I asked who was more competent in not catching the CoViD while campaigning and ending up in a hospital bed for two nights? Why do you refuse to give a direct answer to that?
One wonders if you inability to properly cite a source is correlated to your lack of understanding about the world around you.
Again, you are trying to compare two things that cannot be compared. Sleepy Joe had no political power in 2020. Don Corona should be given credit for blazing a path for the creation of the vaccines we now have. However, both of them can be compared on the rollout of the vaccine to the nation. Which one of them was more competent in that? Stop dodging and just be direct.
Greg the Grouper
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And this audio will prove what, hypothetically, were I or someone else to find and provide it? That Trump stumbled once, or fell down a stairwell? That he said something derogatory about a person, or group? I thought we were talking about his competence as a president. If we're going to try and discuss their direct effect on the nation, why would we not discuss how their policies benefited or harmed the nation?
If anyone here were to try and seriously convince you that Trump was worse than Biden for the economy, for example, how would any video or audio be relevant here? Why would they not just discuss the implications that an unchecked pandemic would have on a nation's economy? Why would they not just discuss how immigration policies affect the economy?
I'm confused as to what you think this audio/video would prove in the context of this conversation.
Nesslig20
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Dear lord...how did this numbnut even manage to find the league of REASON forum.
BoganUSAFFLClerk
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Interesting how ignoring someone on this forum doesn't actually ignore them.
BoganUSAFFLClerk
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Response made to the claim that it was "just me" or "you" as in 1 person. I never claimed public opinion was fact now did I? Yes or No?
Ask me about modern firearms and prepare to get destroyed. Also no you can say clueless on everything but that is an exaggeration now answer directly and stop making shit up.
Masks were claimed to do a lot of things according to the CDC and they have made a lot of claims only to debunk them later. At first they argued wearing a mask would prevent you from getting COVID. Then they made separate claims about reception and transmission. I don't think they have a clue due to the fact of which strain they are dealing with and the lack of information. So stuff remove the other thing in your ass so you can stuff that information in there instead.
BoganUSAFFLClerk
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Who argued public opinion was fact?
Biden has video of him in public areas with his mask off ironically after a federal order requiring masks on federal property yet the President that issued said orders were violating them. Just like the same ass hat that says people should prosecute people over gun control laws yet his own son lying on a 4473 is NOT prosecuted and his son doesn't even hold public office. The guy is a career criminal and a hypocrite.
Does competency have anything to do with chance or odds? No.
Trump didn't have enough time to focus on the rollouts as he wanted to obtain more vaccines and deliver them in complete with all doses. Trump didn't have all the doses requires nor did he have enough initial doses and frankly if you use the first dose and not use all of them then you risk making the virus strong NOT weaker. Remember you are injecting a partially weakened virus strain in your body and using that to help your body's natural defenses against said virus. If you don't have all doses then your body is more likely to fail against said virus. Is it better to potentially make the virus you are trying to fight stronger or weaker?
BoganUSAFFLClerk
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Notice I asked for video or audio specific to Biden/Trump shortcomings regarding SPEECH.
I don't know there are several people specifically only attempting to be vindictive douche bags so I suppose it is possible but remains to be seen. So far they haven't direct and I won't hold my breath. They aren't interested in having a fair debate/commentary.
Given the context Biden stumbling and being a gaff machine in what he says. Most of which doesn't make sense until he corrects himself sometimes and he doesn't even know here he is half the time why should anyone trust him in running the country?
BoganUSAFFLClerk
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Even the Left thinks Biden is a Gaff Machine
1/3 searching for Trump gaffs and you get Biden gaffs instead.
Search for Biden gaffs and only get Biden gaffs. Even the Algorithm thinks Biden is a horrible speaker and fucks up everything he touches while publicly speaking.
1/3 searching for Trump gaffs and you get Biden gaffs instead.
Search for Biden gaffs and only get Biden gaffs. Even the Algorithm thinks Biden is a horrible speaker and fucks up everything he touches while publicly speaking.
BoganUSAFFLClerk
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Except given the context I explain the mask thing because the CDC put out many conflicting statements about Masks to the point where if the CDC is wrong who are going to get your information from when were WRONG repeatedly? How many times do you trust someone's word when they change it multiple times and are supposedly the authority of something? Clearly you would discount what they have argued or said because it is conflicting in nature right or wrong?
Greg the Grouper
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1. Okay? You asked for a video presenting shortcomings in a speech. As though that's relevant to one's capacity to run a country.
2. I'm not entirely sure how you came to the conclusion that Joe Biden isn't aware of what's going on half the time. Did you happen to have a psych evaluation that you'd like to share with us?
3. I can't speak intelligently about Stephen Colbert's political views, but frankly, the idea that leftists don't like Biden isn't exactly a revelation. They just happen to view him as being objectively better than Trump for, well, literally all of humanity. For your own future reference, a decent metric for determining whether or not you're talking to a leftist is to call Biden a communist or socialist, and see whether or not they start laughing hysterically before writing you off as a dumbass.
4. Biden actually paid attention to virologists concerning covid 19, and in doing so, displayed a degree of competence that Trump couldn't manage in an entire term.
5. Even assuming that your characterization of what the CDC said concerning masks is accurate, none of that is contradictory, nor is it necessarily even false. Preventing mass transmission prevents the spread of a virus, and masks prevent someone from spreading a pathogen to someone else. Or were you trying to imply that 'prevent' suggests that it should work in all cases?
6. Dude, a vaccine isn't gonna put someone at greater risk of getting sick. Even assuming the vaccine a given person receives is a weakened pathogen, it's literally a weakened pathogen. It's not super difficult to expose a pathogen to ultraviolet radiation, thereby sterilizing it, my wastewater plant literally does so 24/7. There'a frankly a greater risk of having some kind of super rare negative reaction to the vaccine itself than it is to actually be infected by a vaccine. The idea that your immune system would be compromised by the first dose without the second is delusional.
7. Many vaccines are mrna vaccines, such as Moderna. They don't actually expose your immune system to a pathogen, they inject an rna strand that your body can interact with which, for lack of a more accurate explanation, teaches your body how to produce specific proteins, in this example proteins that would assist your immune system in fighting off a specific pathogen.
8. If Trump started vaccinating earlier, it would've reduced the spread faster, which in turn would've reduced the number of doses required to achieve herd immunization.
BoganUSAFFLClerk
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It does: How are you supposed to conduct yourself in foreign affairs if you look like a doofus and cannot convince them to do anything in the interest of your own country? This is why Biden is getting walked all over by China and others that don't take him seriously.
He's made multiple statements about how great it is to be in X locale and yet he was wrong on multiple occasions on the name of the locale he was giving a speech at. To me he is senile and at his age it wouldn't be any surprise.
Leftists typically argue untrue things about Trump so I agree the assumption that Trump is worse than Biden. Trump didn't protect his son of a felony and a 3/4 of a million dollar fine because he lied on a form 4473 and wasn't prosecuted in getting a gun. Trump didn't advocate for prosecuting people over firearms laws and yet have his son be caught breaking the law. Biden is an obvious hypocrite and don't get me started on mara lago.
The CDC had posted on their website specifically that masks reduce transmission AND RECEPTION of the Corona virus. They then changed their story to say it reduces transmission and now they aren't even arguing that. They specifically advocated for a certain type of mask using vent holes (N95) and now currently on their website they prohibit them. They are giving contradictory information out and I am tired of attempting to comply only to get the wrong mask and even they admit it isn't effective. I don't even wear a mask and I have been tested for work and I haven't contracted it. I also have problem with testing as Elon Musk famously got tested twice and got 2 different results (positive negative different nostrils same test). Even lab tested control samples meaning no other person submitted to the test came back positive at one point. My brother submitted to the test and came back positive even though he refused to take it after being told only another 2 hour wait and said "FUCK THIS" he was sent his test results even though he wasn't tested. This corona shit is ridiculous knowing this information.
If the person is seeking the vaccine and is among the age of being susceptible to Covid more so than most other categories and then are unable to fight off the virus and you don't think a weakened virus can't technically be caught in people seeking immunity and are at risk of Corona? They can technically if you look it up. Virus based diseases can be caught via a vaccine under certain conditions. It is a matter of odds and the specifics of the individual.
Yes I am aware of the RNA based vaccines. But not all vaccines are based on this.
Also if they didn't shut down the country people would eventually build immunity and not ruin the economy. People wouldn't be in the dire straights they are in now and violent crime wouldn't be as high due to this criminal incentive. I wouldn't be able to sell so many firearms for defense because the lack of experience of people being attacked. People would still die as they have under Trump and Biden and the economy would still be roaring.
Definitely need a wanking emoticon. Be nice if it was animated and had a little splurge at the end too.
Greg the Grouper
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1. Well, I suppose you could just leverage the assets of the state to your advantage. Maybe incentivize behavior through trade or aid, maybe penalize behavior by enforcing an embargo? I'm not sure why you're characterizing foreign policy like it's some sort of dick measuring contest.
2. So you have no psych evaluation, but instead, just snippets of various speeches that amount to a couple of minutes, maybe an hour or so at worst? An hour which, you realize, is ultimately an extremely minor portion of his life? How does that even translate to him forgetting where he is? If he did forget where he was, did he visibly require coaching concerning what he was doing there? Is there any reason why either of us should take your evaluation seriously?
3. I'm not sure who here would argue that Biden isn't a corrupt politician? Honestly, it's really like you've never encountered a leftist before. No one here argues that Biden is more competent than Trump because Biden is an excellent president, they argue that he's more competent than Trump because that's a laughably low bar that a four year old could manage.
Is this corruption bit somehow untrue of Trump, by the way, who literally handed out White House positions to various family members? Is nepotism cool now? I thought that was frowned upon.
4. Yes? By reducing your chances to transmit a pathogen, you by necessity reduce someone else's chance of becoming infected by reducing avenues by which they might become infected. Even if we just put that aside, a mask is still a physical barrier that hampers the possibility of transmission via larger airborne particulate.
And yes, they do advise against N95 masks - because said masks are prioritized for healthcare workers who are much more likely to be exposed to covid 19. This is also on their website. If your intention was to imply that they've backed off on N95 masks being effective, well, maybe check their website again?
5. I can't speak intelligently as to the personal experiences of Elon Musk or your brother. Nothing is perfect. A test isn't 100% accurate, clerical mistakes get made, etc. To launch off of this and say that aggregate information is unreliable because of a handful of outliers in a sea of several billion data points is, well, really dumb.
6. I have no idea what this lab bit you're referring to is.
7. I didn't say it's impossible to be infected by a vaccine literally designed to bolster your immune system against a pathogen by introducing an inert pathogen to your immune system. I said it was less likely than having an adverse reaction to the vaccine itself.
8. If you're talking about someone with a compromised immune system, then sure, vaccines aren't likely to help them directly. Such people rely on herd immunization to stay safe.
9. You don't build immunities to an evolving virus by constantly getting sick. I assume you're aware of the seasonal flu?
10. If we didn't shut down the economy, more people would've gotten sick. If more people got sick, more people would've been hospitalized. If more people would've been hospitalized, the medical institutions of the country would've collapsed under the strain. If the medical institutions of the country collapsed, the death toll would've ballooned massively. This would've brought the entire country to its knees, just by virtue of how few people would've been available to work. You'd have to extrapolate based on our current death toll to argue otherwise, and our current death toll is what it is because medical institutions survived the pandemic, because there were attempts to reduce the spread by shutting down.
11. A full on, proper shut down of the country would've seen us through the pandemic in a much shorter time frame, vastly reducing the amount of time necessary for the country to remain in a state of shut down.
he_who_is_nobody
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Obviously, you, since you brought it up.
Citation needed.
Again, a citation is needed.
I would agree with that.
Actually yes. A competent driver is far less likely to get in an accident than an incompetent one. However, I noticed that this non-sequitur is getting away from your answer to a direct question. Again, who was more competent in campaigning for US President and not ending up face up in a hospital bed for two nights? For someone that whined so much about people not being direct with you, you sure know how to obfuscate.
Again, a citation is needed.
Again, a citation is needed.
The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna (the first two and most common in the US) are mRNA vaccines. They do not use partial or weakened viruses in them. But, again, your basic lack of research skills is telling.
Again, a citation is needed.
Now, beyond awaiting citations for all the claims above. If that was truly Don Corona's plan, he was completely incompetent when it came to the vaccine rollout. QED.
Yep. Sleepy Joe is an idiot. Still more competent than Don Corona.
Correct. When you search for something, the algorithm helps you find said thing. What do you think you are proving with this?
A statement like this shows how unfamiliar you are with how science works, especially when it comes to new frontiers.