THE MOST SOPHISTICATED MASTERPIECE OF DEMOLITION

[ImprobableJoe]

Waza-Minooo44,

THERE WAS NO GODDAMNED THERMITE!

So stop saying "super-thermite" because it makes you look like a raving lunatic. No one uses thermite in demolition, let alone some sort of magical thermite. Why would you propose magic when we all actually saw two planes hit the buildings?

I think anybody who believes that the Bush administration would have been capable of carrying out such a vast conspiracy is giving undue credit to a incompetent administration.

Although I guess if you look at how the supposed conspiracy was carried out it does have many flaws and pitfalls. Just imagine the meeting of the officials planning the 9/11 attacks.

"How shall we carry out the attacks?"

"Fly 2 planes into the World Trade Centre, then blow them up!"

"Are you sure? That seems a bit risky for an operation of this nature, I mean after the first plane hits every camera in New York is going to be on those towers, if we make the slightest mistake it will all be there captured on video from all angles, its far too risky to demolish two buildings with all the world's media watching. Perhaps simply flying the planes into the buildings would be enough to achieve our aims? Or perhaps we could attack somewhere that the media won't be hovering round, a military base maybe?..."

"No I give the orders round here! Fly 2 god damn planes into the World Trade Centre, then blow them up!"

[At which point the other guy simply facepalms.]

None of the conspiracy makes any sense. What purpose would demolishing the towers have served other than increasing the risk of detection? A conspiracy, especially one involving mass murder would never take such unnecessary risks. That would be like planning to murder someone in broad daylight, in a crowded street with cameras pointed at you. No sane person would take such a risk. It's utterly stupid.

This.

Well, except for it is more like planning to murder someone in broad daylight by stabbing them, but ALSO hiring someone else to do a drive-by shooting at the same time. There's 150% no logical reason why you would use planes AND explosives when one or the other would do.

 

[joshurtree]

The US government is often involved in conspiracies. Back in the 70s their was one that involved breaking into the Democratic Party headquarters. In the 90s they tried to cover up a blowjob in the White House and in recent years they falsely implied that Saddam Hussain had nukes. In all these cases they were unable to cover up the truth despite the relative simplicity of the plots. Yet you seem to believe that the same government were capable of keeping the lid on a conspiracy involving the world largest and most complex demolition, arranging the hijacking and crashing of 4 different aeroplanes and killing several thousand of its own citizens.

 

[IBSpify]

Ok, first off, the Nano Thermate theory fails on all grounds, biggest of which is that Thermate's 2 main byproducts are Aluminum Oxide (41%) and Barium Nitrate (29%) both are unique to thermate and would have no reason for being in the rubble except for the use of thermate. However nobody, neither the USGS or Stephen Jones (the man claiming the thermate was found) report finding any traces of either element.

Secondly the free fall speeds, this explains it better then I could



now then building 7




On an unrelated side note does anyone else find it adorable when conspiracy theorists claim they are not conspiracy theorists even as they shout out the conspiracies?

 

[Anachronous Rex]

Zeus forbid you might find traces of Iron and Aluminum in the wreckage of an office building...

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

10 against one not fair . I need time to respond . Just wait.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

10 against one not fair . I need time to respond . Just wait.

Here's an idea that might make things easier:

Figure out which single point is the one that is most convincing, has the most facts behind it, and you can best defend. JUST ONE. And then let's talk about that one. If we're not swayed by that one, your weaker points aren't going to get it done either.

Plus, it means that the discussion is focused enough that you shouldn't feel too overwhelmed, ok? That works to your benefit. Make your best case on one point, and then we'll go from there.

 

[Pulsar]

Q 7) How could Bush have seen the first plane crashing on WTC live as he admitted? Did he have previous knowledge ???

He can read upside down!

He can see through lens caps!

Surely seeing into the future is peanuts for him?

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

Tomorrow i will respond but i want to make one point . The one who said there is not one single IOTA of evidence has ever been produced of molten STEEL , I want to tell him ... go back to the first page and you will see a video about Super-thermite and the speaker is A danish scientist Niels Harrit, on nano-thermite.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Tomorrow i will respond but i want to make one point . The one who said there is not one single IOTA of evidence has ever been produced of molten STEEL , I want to tell him ... go back to the first page and you will see a video about Super-thermite and the speaker is A danish scientist Niels Harrit, on nano-thermite.

No, not videos. Present scientific papers written by whatever experts you can fine. Some YouTube videos can suck my dick.

 

[IBSpify]

Tomorrow i will respond but i want to make one point . The one who said there is not one single IOTA of evidence has ever been produced of molten STEEL , I want to tell him ... go back to the first page and you will see a video about Super-thermite and the speaker is A danish scientist Niels Harrit, on nano-thermite.

really could you try and put forth something we haven't already debunked on the 2 or 3 other 9/11 threads on this forum, at least the George Bush seeing the crash was new even if it's easily explained by the fact that his public speaking skills were non-existent.

 

[DepricatedZero]

"We designed the building to resist the impact of one or more jetliners."

This has to be my favorite "proof" that it was planted explosives.

Like the Titanic proves the potency of god because they had built it so strong that "god himself could not sink this ship."

It passed on paper. Something tells me they didn't try flying planes into the finished product to truly test it out until 2001, and then it didn't work. Other factors came in to play that weren't predicted.

And, Tony Stark built a mech in a cave, why can't some terrorists plot?

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

"none of these stories prove there was molten (as in liquid) steel at the WTC. There's no evidence temperatures were hot enough to produce that (whatever the energy source), and some of the stories claiming "molten steel" have built-in implausibilities. There was certainly glowing metal, but this only indicates temperatures within the range of a fire."
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html

Sorry to disappoint you but there is fatal flaw here in your argument . He is debunking Thermite . I'm not talking about a normal Thermite which was used in 1893 . I'm talking about something else my friend . In 2009 a group of scientists including Niels H. Harrit, is an Associate Professor of the University of Copenhagen's Chemistry Department. An expert in nano-chemistry. They discovered something new they discovered a SUPER-Thermite . An advanced one . I'm quoting him right now :

"Molten metal pours out of the South Tower several minutes before the collapse. This indicates the whole structure was being weakened in advance"~Niels H. Harrit

guess what he is talking about ?



The site you are refereeing at he is debunking an idea of 2005 this one is Old . Check this site from a group of scientist :


http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html#installation_feasibility


And the evidence of Thermite is here by the way this is new , this one was published in December 7, 2009

It's not.

http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

Just question why the twin towers and building 7 falls symmetrically ???

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

And, Tony Stark built a mech in a cave, why can't some terrorists plot?

it seems our criminal knows Thermodynamics and creates the MOST SOPHISTICATED MASTERPIECE OF DEMOLITION in history of mankind .

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Sorry to disappoint you but there is fatal flaw here in your argument . He is debunking Thermite . I'm not talking about a normal Thermite which was used in 1893 . I'm talking about something else my friend . In 2009 a group of scientists including Niels H. Harrit, is an Associate Professor of the University of Copenhagen's Chemistry Department. An expert in nano-chemistry. They discovered something new they discovered a SUPER-Thermite .

No, they didn't.

They found red paint and rust, and said it could maybe be some sort of magic thermite, but it isn't. Plus, NO ONE USES THERMITE FOR DEMOLITIONS. They use it for welding and fireworks, mostly.

This is that paper that was written by a bunch of non-chemists, isn't it? Sociologists and psychologists and other folks with degrees in things other than chemistry, but all with the shared delusions about 9/11.

We've debunked this one before, haven't we? Over and over again?

 

[IBSpify]

Waza if nano thermite was used please explain why the 2 main by-products of thermite were not present at all on the site?

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

in recent years they falsely implied that Saddam Hussain had nukes. In all these cases they were unable to cover up the truth despite the relative simplicity of the plots..

It's really sad that i'm seeing the history repeat itself , and next is Iran . As if USA is hungry for blood like the vampires they aren't satisfy . They want more blood .

I don't know the REAL REASON why they want to invade Afghanistan without shred of evidence. The only evidence that they got is the twin towers but the question is what if the evidence turn the table ? what if the criminal is actually one of the government ???? I want to see the reaction of the Americans people . And the most striking thing is that they found the criminals within three days ????? that's impossible .

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Waza if nano thermite was used please explain why the 2 main by-products of thermite were not present at all on the site?

Or why the magic thermite didn't immediately ignite and take the towers down when the burning jet fuel hit it?

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

Waza if nano thermite was used please explain why the 2 main by-products of thermite were not present at all on the site?

I would say go to this site : http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html#introduction

I quote you from this site

"Iron oxide appears in faceted grains roughly 100 nm across whereas the aluminum appears in plate-like structures. The small size of the iron oxide particles qualifies the material to be characterized as nano-thermite or super-thermite. Analysis shows that iron and oxygen are present in a ratio consistent with Fe2O3. The red material in all four WTC dust samples was similar in this way. Iron oxide was found in the pre-ignition material whereas elemental iron was not."

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I quote you from this site

"Iron oxide appears in faceted grains roughly 100 nm across whereas the aluminum appears in plate-like structures. The small size of the iron oxide particles qualifies the material to be characterized as nano-thermite or super-thermite. Analysis shows that iron and oxygen are present in a ratio consistent with Fe2O3. The red material in all four WTC dust samples was similar in this way. Iron oxide was found in the pre-ignition material whereas elemental iron was not."

"Samples" taken by random non-expert Truthers, who held onto them for 6 years before asking someone to look at them? And these random samples taken for no good reason by Truthers turn out to be a magical kind of thermite that only Truthers have heard of? And then some Truther psychologists, sociologists, and a physicist examine these random samples that could have come from anywhere, and claim that it supports the conspiracy theory they were looking for it to support? And no independent researchers can back up their findings... are they all in on the conspiracy too?

The "samples" are most likely rust and aluminum-based fire retardant coatings if they are anything. There's no evidence of thermite, or that there was any actual demolition done.Your source is nonsense and more nonsense.

Are you even reading these posts, or are you posting just to see your name on the Internet?

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

Waza if nano thermite was used please explain why the 2 main by-products of thermite were not present at all on the site?

Or why the magic thermite didn't immediately ignite and take the towers down when the burning jet fuel hit it?

Maybe the criminal used wireless ignition control system.