australopithecus
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On the front line of the invasion (AKA the bus stop outside my place of work): I sat next to a Muslim all day, she didn't let any invasion plans slip. She's a crafty one, but I'll get the info soon.
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The Islamic conquer of Europe
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CosmicJoghurt
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Well, I guess you could say, Islam is an exploding market.
australopithecus
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Report from the front line of the invasion #2: Went shopping, there were Muslims talking about something called a 'night club'. Not being familiar with the concept I'm assuming it's code for a bomb making facility.
ImprobableJoe
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australopithecus said:
It means "an evening of beating baby seals to death for fun"... if something is evil, you know there's a Muslim behind it somehow.
They are the only terrorists, the only people who kill women, the only real evil in the world and the ULTIMATE evil, capable of ending Western civilization with 90-minute private swims and making YouTube videos.
Nom_de_Plume
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I thought it was us canadians who were known for beating baby seals for fun not muslims.... what the hell, they're not allowed to usurp our age old tradition man.... no fairImprobableJoe said:
ImprobableJoe
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All Canadians are secretly Muslims. You can tell by all the French-speakers there.Nom_de_Plume said:
Duvelthehobbit666
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I thought that Canadians were commies because of their free health care.
Duvelthehobbit666
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Yet clubbing baby seals is a-okImprobableJoe said:
ImprobableJoe
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Duvelthehobbit666 said:
It starts with the French, then there's free health care, and then eventually it is Hitler all over again, with Muslims.
I better get started then.
Allahu Akbar!Gott Mit Uns! I'm a godless Nazi! *
*US conservative christian revision.
You know what? I would really like to see an image of what the face of evil looks like to the US brand of zealot. A mishmash of commie-mozlum-illegal alien...
Allahu Akbar!
*US conservative christian revision.
You know what? I would really like to see an image of what the face of evil looks like to the US brand of zealot. A mishmash of commie-mozlum-illegal alien...
Asrahn
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ImprobableJoe said:
The problem comes in on several more planes than this one. It's, at least over here, common knowledge that those who live in less immigrant-populated areas tend to be more positive towards immigration and multicultural ideas, while it's the opposite for those who are in the thick of it. Skà¥ne, host of the city Malmච(which arguably has the worst immigration problems of Sweden at this point, and has had for some time) hosts the largest support for our anti-immigration party of the Sverigedemokraterna.
If you read my previous post about how people grow up over here you ought to be able to see that it's hard for a person who only sees the ugly side of immigration to carry any positive views on it - their viewpoint will only be reinforced by how society handles it as well, with the horribly failed integration and, quite clearly, a goverment that carries the message of a "multicultural society at any cost!".
Granted, most of this is a result of failed integration and cultural differences, in a country where the cultural differences is seen as something instrumental for the multicultural society model, but I can see that it's hard for the individuals who experience all this to not grow to resent it in some manner, and feel a frustration when someone who does not feel as alienated from their own country goes "I have a Muslim cleaner at work, he's a great chap, so don't worry!". The goverment's (right and left wing alike) tendency of not wanting to discuss the immigration "issue" and the fact that media (right and left wing alike) have marked the entire thing as a taboo is the reason we now have an anti-immigration party with more than 7% of the votes in this country.
For those on the outside, it's a couple of isolated individuals causing a lot of sound. For those on the inside, it's a country crumbling under the strain of a welfare supported, vandalizing, Islam-, or (arguably) non-western culture-promoting flood of very aggressive and very angry individuals. It's a perspective issue, on which both sides have their merits.
@ Asrahn: That sounds awfully close how things are, or at least I see them to be, in Finland. As I said before our immigration critics (or as some people want to call them, "racists") point at Sweden as an example on how inept immigration policies and blind pushing for multiculturalism can ruin things. The feeling seems to be that we must do something ("far right", more like conservative, immigration critic True Finns got 19% last spring at parliamentary elections) before we get to the point that Sweden is in now. I admit it's a more of an image issue than a real one at the moment and with the rates of immigration it won't be an issue this decade but images tend to be more important than facts and some, if not most, people see, for example, a crime done by an immigrant as a crime that could have been prevented with stricter immigration policy.
P.S. Is that a Space Wolf?
P.S. Is that a Space Wolf?
Asrahn
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@Visaki
Indeed, I am aware that we're being held as an example for the rest of Scandinavia in terms of our failed immigration policies. The tabs our media keeps on things makes it all the more evident that there's an "agenda" for the people who suffer from it. Hell, I thought Danske Folkeparti (Danish anti-immigration party) was in power down in Denmark seeing that's how our media pictured it to us - and it was basically the only party over there that was ever mentioned on the news. And indeed, the notion of having a clear enemy that wants to "silence" the "truth" makes people seek more and more radical means as to counter the failed integration - ironically the idea, but mostly the way they promote the way of a happy and mushy multiculturalism is a huge cause for a raising intolerance and racism. When there's no room for discussion or protest, and as a side is victimized, they are "allowed" to attempt to resist. That's what the population is doing right now, some simply due to the subject being taboo.
That being said, indeed. It's the fundamental attribution error - we tend to ascribe other people the mistakes they do to be a result of their personality, and not circumstances, while we do the opposite for ourselves. The "us" and "them" mentality serves to even further reinforce stereotypical thinking as it gets fed more and more every day. Hell, take it from a guy who works at a prison - the amount of immigrants of "non-western" origin locked up is astounding. The discourse of today's society is a dangerous one indeed. Sverigedemokraterna goes to election spewing all manner of statistics regarding immigration costs and the corellation between immigration and crime, but because it's such a touchy fucking subject no other party dares to bare the "true" numbers to show the public that Sverigedemokraterna are in fact wrong - which naturally makes people think they are right. I personally actually have started to believe that, while they're probably not entirely correct in their statistics, the numbers probably aren't very positive either, and would thus be largely harmful anyway to the rest of the politicians if they were to come out. Not giving the population anything on the subject is neither denying nor confirming, leaving people to do guessing games - and the side that promotes toleration and multiculturalism is quite frankly losing.
And yes, it's a Terminator :>
Indeed, I am aware that we're being held as an example for the rest of Scandinavia in terms of our failed immigration policies. The tabs our media keeps on things makes it all the more evident that there's an "agenda" for the people who suffer from it. Hell, I thought Danske Folkeparti (Danish anti-immigration party) was in power down in Denmark seeing that's how our media pictured it to us - and it was basically the only party over there that was ever mentioned on the news. And indeed, the notion of having a clear enemy that wants to "silence" the "truth" makes people seek more and more radical means as to counter the failed integration - ironically the idea, but mostly the way they promote the way of a happy and mushy multiculturalism is a huge cause for a raising intolerance and racism. When there's no room for discussion or protest, and as a side is victimized, they are "allowed" to attempt to resist. That's what the population is doing right now, some simply due to the subject being taboo.
That being said, indeed. It's the fundamental attribution error - we tend to ascribe other people the mistakes they do to be a result of their personality, and not circumstances, while we do the opposite for ourselves. The "us" and "them" mentality serves to even further reinforce stereotypical thinking as it gets fed more and more every day. Hell, take it from a guy who works at a prison - the amount of immigrants of "non-western" origin locked up is astounding. The discourse of today's society is a dangerous one indeed. Sverigedemokraterna goes to election spewing all manner of statistics regarding immigration costs and the corellation between immigration and crime, but because it's such a touchy fucking subject no other party dares to bare the "true" numbers to show the public that Sverigedemokraterna are in fact wrong - which naturally makes people think they are right. I personally actually have started to believe that, while they're probably not entirely correct in their statistics, the numbers probably aren't very positive either, and would thus be largely harmful anyway to the rest of the politicians if they were to come out. Not giving the population anything on the subject is neither denying nor confirming, leaving people to do guessing games - and the side that promotes toleration and multiculturalism is quite frankly losing.
And yes, it's a Terminator :>
Dogma's Demise
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Well don't want to dwell on the past but, I just noticed how racist and intolerant and totalitarian and fundie who says the darndest things America is against the poor communists. :lol: I mean what did they ever do wrong, except murder millions, destroy the economy and confiscate private property? They should be eligible for citizenship in a country they despise so much and want to destroy.
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-9822.html
"(a) No person, except as otherwise provided in this title, shall be naturalized, unless such applicant, (1) immediately preceding the date of filing his application for naturalization has resided continuously, after being lawfully admitted for permanent residence, within the United States for at least five years and during the five years immediately preceding the date of filing his application has been physically present therein for periods totaling at least half of that time, and who has resided within the State or within the district of the Service in the United States in which the applicant filed the application for at least three months, (2) has resided continuously within the United States from the date of the application up to the time of admission to citizenship, (3) during all the periods referred to in this subsection has been and still is a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States."
See also: http://law.justia.com/cfr/title08/8-1.0.1.3.66.html
"Except as provided in ,§313.3, no applicant for naturalization shall be naturalized as a citizen of the United States if, within ten years immediately preceding the filing of an application for naturalization or after such filing but before taking the oath of citizenship, such applicant:
(a) Is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist Party or any other totalitarian party; or
(b) Is or has advocated communism or the establishment in the United States of a totalitarian dictatorship; or "
"Advocate includes, but is not limited to, advising, recommending, furthering by overt act, or admitting a belief in a doctrine, and may include the giving, lending, or promising of support or of money or any thing of value to be used for advocating such doctrine.
Advocating Communism means advocating the establishment of a totalitarian communist dictatorship, including the economic, international, and governmental doctrines of world communism, in all countries of the world through the medium of an internationally coordinated communist revolutionary movement. "
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-9822.html
"(a) No person, except as otherwise provided in this title, shall be naturalized, unless such applicant, (1) immediately preceding the date of filing his application for naturalization has resided continuously, after being lawfully admitted for permanent residence, within the United States for at least five years and during the five years immediately preceding the date of filing his application has been physically present therein for periods totaling at least half of that time, and who has resided within the State or within the district of the Service in the United States in which the applicant filed the application for at least three months, (2) has resided continuously within the United States from the date of the application up to the time of admission to citizenship, (3) during all the periods referred to in this subsection has been and still is a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States."
See also: http://law.justia.com/cfr/title08/8-1.0.1.3.66.html
"Except as provided in ,§313.3, no applicant for naturalization shall be naturalized as a citizen of the United States if, within ten years immediately preceding the filing of an application for naturalization or after such filing but before taking the oath of citizenship, such applicant:
(a) Is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist Party or any other totalitarian party; or
(b) Is or has advocated communism or the establishment in the United States of a totalitarian dictatorship; or "
"Advocate includes, but is not limited to, advising, recommending, furthering by overt act, or admitting a belief in a doctrine, and may include the giving, lending, or promising of support or of money or any thing of value to be used for advocating such doctrine.
Advocating Communism means advocating the establishment of a totalitarian communist dictatorship, including the economic, international, and governmental doctrines of world communism, in all countries of the world through the medium of an internationally coordinated communist revolutionary movement. "
)O( Hytegia )O(
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*cough*Dogma's Demise said:
Communists didn't. People who led communist countries poorly did.
And are you honestly suggesting that Communist Russia was in a better spat under the rule of the Czar? And it took a good bit before the USSR to go to shit.
I'd say that, economically, a Communism that provides for it's people is 100% more effective than a monarchy that bleeds it's people dry with taxes, enters a World War using Napoleanic tactics, and then has the audacity to put down people who speak against it.
Yes. You're exactly correct in that wording.Dogma's Demise said:
The communist-party businessman with upstanding community service and a strong political drive has no place to call himself an American.
The thugs selling drugs on the street corner and shooting people up that were born here are.
Dogma's Demise said:
I think somebody needs an education on the Red Scare, and why it's the reason America says "Under God" along with "In God We Trust." I'm absolutely sure you're not going to hail those responses to Cold War codes and establishments as the highlight of American intelligence.
Also, I'm quite sure you don't actually grasp the concept of American Democracy.
First off, America isn't a capitalism. It's a Mixed Economy with bends both towards Socialism.
Secondly, America is a Republic in which anyone can vote for any person to represent their locale in the lawmaking chairs of Congress. Under the responsibilities of the Constitution's establishment - the Preamble - it conscripts that the government is distinctly responsible for promoting the general welfare.
I know, I know - it's quite a difficult idea to grasp that the Constitution was made to be a skelon for which the will of the people can intentionally select what kind of government they want and what kind of economic principles they want based upon the foundational principles laid out in the Constitution through Amendments. But it's an American thing to understand,
Dogma's Demise
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Alright, the communists didn't technically murder those people, but they supported an ideology that almost inevitably leads to that.
About ~50 million deaths if I recall right. I think it did more harm than the previous regime, and I support neither regime.
I'm not sure how one would be a "communist-party businessman", sounds like a major hypocrite to engage is something that he believes is inherently exploitation, but okay I'll entertain that idea. The system's not perfect, but what exactly do you expect? That's how citizenship works, you're stuck with them, and that's probably why you shouldn't bring in more.
I know America is a mixed economy. But I don't see how that is relevant. It's certainly not a communist economy and communism is inherently incompatible with the American Constitution. Private property is a fundamental right. Sure, you can discuss about taxation and all that jazz, but you can't confiscate it.
Look the point was, limiting immigration based on fundamental ideological incompatibilities with the host country isn't something new.
How is it "totalitarian" when the heart of the free western world does it? You're arguing for an absurd standard of tolerance.
About ~50 million deaths if I recall right. I think it did more harm than the previous regime, and I support neither regime.
I'm not sure how one would be a "communist-party businessman", sounds like a major hypocrite to engage is something that he believes is inherently exploitation, but okay I'll entertain that idea. The system's not perfect, but what exactly do you expect? That's how citizenship works, you're stuck with them, and that's probably why you shouldn't bring in more.
I know America is a mixed economy. But I don't see how that is relevant. It's certainly not a communist economy and communism is inherently incompatible with the American Constitution. Private property is a fundamental right. Sure, you can discuss about taxation and all that jazz, but you can't confiscate it.
Look the point was, limiting immigration based on fundamental ideological incompatibilities with the host country isn't something new.
How is it "totalitarian" when the heart of the free western world does it? You're arguing for an absurd standard of tolerance.
)O( Hytegia )O(
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Dogma's Demise said:
America.
You mean the America of the Patriot Act and the Homeland Security Agency - a big-brother internal information agency that gathers data on it's own citizens and uses that data to profile them with a risk assessment and places them on a watch list if they exceed a certain level - and a long and resounding history of aggressive racism and patriotic nationalism that has all but fallen short in it's entire history of giving it a unique "Us vs. Not-Us" mentality?
The one where your civil liberties are forefeit if you're marked as a risk to the country, regardless of you being a citizen of the country?
Yeah.
Does it make it right?
Not in the least.
Dogma's Demise
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Well I don't agree with everything America does, especially I don't agree with stuff like NDAA.
But give me the option between America vs. any Islamist or communist regime and we all know where I would choose to live in a heartbeat. America has flaws that can be fixed.
Islamism and communism cannot be fixed, they need to be overthrown if you want to discuss fixing anything.
But give me the option between America vs. any Islamist or communist regime and we all know where I would choose to live in a heartbeat. America has flaws that can be fixed.
Islamism and communism cannot be fixed, they need to be overthrown if you want to discuss fixing anything.
)O( Hytegia )O(
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Dogma's Demise said:
What makes America "great" is the diversity of viewpoints, ideas, and the potential to compromise in them.
Diversity of viewpoints is essential and different ideas ate important because there are multiple solutions to any one problem - and the more viewpoints represented the better the overall population of the whole is presented.
The First Amendment is awesome. So is any professional training on synergy.
australopithecus
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I don't think DD has actually got the point yet. Curtailing freedom of speech by demanding that people cannot hold certain views or opinions is wrong, regardless of who does it. Understand? Great.