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The How and Why Of Self-Consciousness "Sticky Please"

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  1. Are the elements of life and consciousness misconstrued by humans?​

  2. Alternatively, have I written yet another ridiculous and pointless conception of life and consciousness, exactly like countless others who came before me.​


  3. Existence is merely a materialistic concept that simply is; it does not imply that something is alive.

  4. But in order for life to exist, something must exist.​

  5. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


  6. At its heart, consciousness depends on having a life and being awake; these are prerequisites for consciousness to exist.​

  7. Life is necessary for sleep to occur, whereas life and cognition are absolutely essential for dreaming.​

  8. Life and knowledge of life's experiences are prerequisites for thought to take place.​

  9. For you to have any experiences, at least one of the following conditions must have been met before birth. These conditions are commonly known as five senses are Touch, sight, hearing, smell, and taste. Only under these circumstances is anything experience-able.​

  10. It is merely because of at least one of these senses, you can experience things and are therefore aware of them as a result.​

  11. A fantastic illustration of this, is someone who is blind and deaf being aware of holding something. Even though they can't fully comprehend what it is.​

  12. They can still properly structure their perceptions using the other senses. Moreover, as a result, now have an experience and are able to construct thoughts based on this experience.​


  13. In light of this, we can say that if none of these prerequisites are met before the moment when you are born. Then you are unable to experience anything, and as a​

  14. consequence of this you are also unable to have any thoughts. So if you have never had experiences and are unable construct thoughts how could you dream?​

  15. For example if one was born with no Touch, Taste, Sight, Hearing, or Smell, how could they be aware/conscious of anything?​

  16. How could they be aware of this; if a ball was placed in their hands?

  17. The answer to this is they can not. And as a direct result of this they surely could not dream about it.​

  18. They would not be conscious, only alive.​


  19. But, let us give them one sense in this argument; let us allow the sense of touch once more.​

  20. Now if a ball were placed in their hands, they would still lack any knowledge of what it is. However, they can be conscious of this and aware of themselves touching it.​

  21. They can now construct thoughts of this experience. So thoughts can reimagine this feeling, and surely one could dream of this feeling and experience too.​

  22. If we were to take this ball away, the person once holding this would be aware of its absence, this might invoke emotion in the form of sadness or anger.​

  23. One could continue to dream of the experience of having the ball. So let us allow this person to dream of this.​

  24. Out side of this dream they are conscious they don't have the ball any more as they are already aware of its absence based on past experiences.​

  25. So they could be aware of the difference from dreams and being awake, even if they don't quite understand.​



  26. In conclusion, the absence of basic biological sense, would make it impossible to distinguish between being awake and asleep, if you can't be aware that you were once asleep. Instead, you will merely swap between cycles automatically.​

  27. And there would be no way to be conscious of anything if you don't have any thoughts or experiences.​

  28. It is as a result of these circumstances and the necessity of at least one of them.​

  29. That I've come to a conclusion on what self-consciousness is.​

  30. There are several prerequisites, including existence, living, being awake, and conscious, that are without a doubt necessary conditions for being self-conscious.​


  31. Self- Consciousness

  32. We are Self-Conscious because, we are cognizant of the fact that we Exist, that we are alive, awake and we
 
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arg-fallbackName="*SD*"/>
This looks suspiciously like copy/pasta garbage from other websites, which is not permitted, and is certainly not a great way to draft your very fist post as a new member.
 
arg-fallbackName="We are Borg"/>
Yes looks like copy paste post also sticky please well that is counter productive sticky are for very special posts and this well is not that.
 
arg-fallbackName="A Higher Enlightenment"/>
This looks suspiciously like copy/pasta garbage from other websites, which is not permitted, and is certainly not a great way to draft your very fist post as a new member.
I’m sorry which part looks suspicious? And it is copy paste?

I’d like to be clear I wrote and concluded this Myself. In a office program like word called Zoho. I spent quite awhile thinking about this and certainly did not copy paste from a website.

I took time in reading the rules I searched the forum for this topic and could not find any.
 
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Is it safe to conclude either of you "Administrators" did not even read the post?
Yet you tried to pass accurate judgment on a person, with assumptions that clearly have no ground. It is clear to my understanding that you have both made foul first impressions. You can't judge something by looks alone if everyone did that what kind of world would be in? Have you any reason to say its copy paste, other than your assumptions?
 
arg-fallbackName="*SD*"/>
No, I read the post, I then copied it over into Google and got a shit load of results matching various phrases. I then edited the post in an attempt to make it more legible, this didn't work. If it's your own work and not copy/paste then why are there 11 missing premises? Assuming these are even intended to be premises in the first place?

You're not doing well so far and there's certainly no hope of this getting stickied.
 
arg-fallbackName="A Higher Enlightenment"/>
No, I read the post, I then copied it over into Google and got a shit load of results matching various phrases. I then edited the post in an attempt to make it more legible, this didn't work. If it's your own work and not copy/paste then why are there 11 missing premises? Assuming these are even intended to be premises in the first place?

You're not doing well so far and there's certainly no hope of this getting stickied.
Have you any idea what those missing premises mean? It means that the article or webpage that came up in the search didn't include those. It does not mean that I copy and pasted. Search "Ricky the Whale " See what comes up, I be you will see results and maybe missing premises , this proves nothing and that fact that you copied and pasted my entire post into google search, showed me your judgmental character. As if I would not write this myself, but rather resort to some for of plagiarism.
And I am the one not doing well so far?

I did the same as you and got with my post.

About 1,540,000 results (1.83 seconds)
"But" (and any subsequent words) was ignored because we limit queries to 32 words.

This does not imply at the least that I copied and pasted , it just includes key words like Consciousness in the search. and Clearly states that it is limited to 32 words. The search engine tries to find what your looking for by comparing commonly searched phrases like consciousness. And in doing so will flood you with links that may or may not include what you searched exactly as you typed it. That's the 11 missing premises

It does all of this according to what you type, and uses sophisticated algorithms to come up with results, I'm sure consciousness has many results in the search bar on the internet, its a widely talked about concept and we have limited knowledge still.
 
arg-fallbackName="A Higher Enlightenment"/>
No, I read the post, I then copied it over into Google and got a shit load of results matching various phrases. I then edited the post in an attempt to make it more legible, this didn't work. If it's your own work and not copy/paste then why are there 11 missing premises? Assuming these are even intended to be premises in the first place?

You're not doing well so far and there's certainly no hope of this getting stickied.
You have misunderstood how the search engine works. And because of your own judgmental character and decision to paste my writing in the search engine, and then claim it matches Phrases, when indeed it does not.
You then used this misunderstanding of what it is you even seen, as some form of better justified reason behind your assumption.
 
arg-fallbackName="A Higher Enlightenment"/>
Thank you for telling me how the internet works, I've never been on it before, it's my first time.
It is clear to me that you still can't find any valid argument here as to why you even assumed in the first place, and even when met with evidence that its not what you assumed you still took it up on yourself to try and make your in accurate assumption known. I am not the one to copy and past anything that is not me, and I understand you are an admin but this shouldn't give you the right to even begin to assume its paste work, let alone try to support it with evidence that clearly is misunderstood.

Here copy and paste this it was taken directly from a page. When you do so you will be met with 1 result and it links directly to Monetize as an Author Webpage.

“If an author wants to extend earning capabilities, it’s fairly easy to go from writing a book to creating a course, especially after the first one. As a platform, Kajabi makes it especially easy and I have recommended it to others. I know it works, and it works for authors.” - Bobby Owsinski

This further proves my point there will be no missing character and you will have a defined result based on actual copy/pasta.
 
arg-fallbackName="*SD*"/>
Is your OP even intended to be an argument? If it is, it's a disaster. If it isn't, what's the point in numerical order?

It's a bunch of incoherent gibberish.
 
arg-fallbackName="A Higher Enlightenment"/>
Is your OP even intended to be an argument? If it is, it's a disaster. If it isn't, what's the point in numerical order?

It's a bunch of incoherent gibberish.
I think you just don't understand is all. So you have still resorted to calling it gibberish or garbage.
It is indeed a fine example of how to apply logical thinking and deductive reasoning skills to make since of the world around you. Or in this particular post consciousness.

"Is your OP even intended to be an argument? If it is, it's a disaster. "

(This is your tasteless opinion as is your assumptions.) So now rather than stick to your original assumptions you resort to trying to attacking me from a different approach. As a result of this you have turned this post into a rather off topic argument between a new user that has clearly done nothing wrong, and yourself. I am surprised you are an administrator . Id like to end this discussion now I have failed to get through to you. And you won't admit you were wrong.
 
arg-fallbackName="*SD*"/>
Well, I guess we did need another Isaac Clarke. Or, rather, we didn't.
I didn't say it WAS copy/paste, I said it LOOKS like copy/paste, and it does. I have subsequently gone on to ask you if it is intended to be an argument, you can cry all you want, this is the beauty of written forums, permanent record ;)
Enjoy your conversation with your full length mirror.
 
arg-fallbackName="A Higher Enlightenment"/>
Well, I guess we did need another Isaac Clarke. Or, rather, we didn't.
I didn't say it WAS copy/paste, I said it LOOKS like copy/paste, and it does. I have subsequently gone on to ask you if it is intended to be an argument, you can cry all you want, this is the beauty of written forums, permanent record ;)
Enjoy your conversation with your full length mirror.
If you didn't understand the argument that is on you, and it still doesn't justify your actions.
No one is crying either you have yet again failed to understand.

And what do you mean you didn't claim it was copy paste?
Here are your words exactly how you wrote them. I copied and pasted them for you.

No, I read the post, I then copied it over into Google and got a shit load of results matching various phrases. I then edited the post in an attempt to make it more legible, this didn't work. If it's your own work and not copy/paste then why are there 11 missing premises?

I definitely can see how you missed the argument and called it gibberish if you missed what you have clearly stated here.
You have assumed and clarified you think its copy paste, and then questioned me when I told you it wasn't. You directly implied it multiple times.
 
arg-fallbackName="creativesoul"/>
The OP looks to be written by one who is both curious and interested. It could use some simplification, for starters. Admin could have been more helpful and less inconsiderate. That's no way to treat newcomers.

My advice to the OP author: Clearly state the interest or goal of the OP. Ask for help. Do not take criticism personally.
 
arg-fallbackName="*SD*"/>
Hahahah!!!!

Awesome try - to both of you!

You can, however, have a nice little cooling off period.

See you when you get back.
 
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arg-fallbackName="A Higher Enlightenment"/>
The OP looks to be written by one who is both curious and interested. It could use some simplification, for starters. Admin could have been more helpful and less inconsiderate. That's no way to treat newcomers.

My advice to the OP author: Clearly state the interest or goal of the OP. Ask for help. Do not take criticism personally.
I believe there is a difference between assumptions and criticism. Constructive feed back is more appreciated then continuing to claiming falsities, even after being shown the initial assumption is wrong . Had there been any constructive feed back at all it would have been easily accepted.
 
arg-fallbackName="creativesoul"/>
The topic, if it is consciousness, is a very popular one at the moment in both science and philosophy circles.

I suggest rewriting the post into a more story-like format as compared to the enumerated statement look. Arguments typically have a primary premiss, a secondary premiss, and a valid conclusion. I do not see that anywhere. Calling that OP an argument is a mistake. It's not.

I have to say that the presentation of the ideas detracted from them.
 
arg-fallbackName="*SD*"/>
Constructive criticism was indeed provided. And of course, not well received by the OP.

I'm not going to allow another thread to turn into a dumpster fire just because some people might find it entertaining. If you want a more detailed breakdown, here we go -

Joining a large internet forum and making your OP nothing more than a list of disjointed premises is not the best of moves. Far better to say "Hi, I have this written down and I want to see what the members here make of it"

That didn't happen. Instead we get a laundry list of disjointed, misspelled gibberish. No formal argument ever needs 30 something premises. There are also, at my count, 11 missing premises (if that's what they're even supposed to be) suggesting this is a poor attempt at copy/paste. Who writes like this? The mild suggestion was met with hostility and the OP has a generally antagonistic demeanor so they are in timeout for a short period. This not a ban, the timeout will lift at the appropriate hour.
 
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