The How and Why Of Self-Consciousness "Sticky Please"

[*SD*]

This presupposes that all cases of bringing a woman to orgasm requires fucking. That's not the case at all. Rather, that presupposition is falsified by what's happened, what is currently happening somewhere(lucky folks), and what will most certainly continue to happen so long as women are having orgasms by other means. I do not see that stopping any time soon.

Of course off topic, but fun enough to respond to anyway - fucking isn't the best method for giving women orgasms - ask me, I know, I'm a stud

 

[A Higher Enlightenment]

The issue at hand is not about how consciousness requires life. The topic is not about that. We all know that life is required for consciousness. What belongs in the thread is germane and/or relevant to the issues under consideration. Issues that are not do not belong in the thread.

That's how.

This looks like a contradiction of what you've said earlier.

You're using the term "conscious" in at least two distinctly different senses here. What I mean is that sometimes you use it as a synonym for being awake, and at other times it's used as a synonym for being aware. Being awake is not the same thing as being aware. Then, you make claims like the above, which to you might make perfect sense, but to me are unnecessarily confusing at best, incoherent(self-contradictory) at worst. That is all as a result of the equivocation(the way you've used the term "conscious" to mean different things throughout).

It is against the rules of logical argument(valid inference) to use the same term in two different senses within the same discussion(or argument, should there be one). That is especially the case when the term names the topic. I suggest you keep this in mind and reconsider some of the things we've discussed. It will sharpen your understanding.

There are ways to check whether or not an author is equivocating terms. Substitution exercises suffice. If one is using a term correctly, then we can take a piece of their writing, swap each use of the term with the definition thereof without meaningful loss(and still make perfect sense). This practice shows that you're equivocating the term "conscious" by using it to mean awareness sometimes and being awake at others. Being awake is not equivalent to being aware. Thus, if consciousness is one, it cannot be the other, and vice versa.

The burden of correcting this is on your shoulders. Not that big a deal really. Just pick one, stay consistent, and see where it goes.

I see what I did!
I am currently working on this argument in a much more defined and organized approach. Will be posting later with some rather interesting concepts.

 

[creativesoul]

I see what I did!
I am currently working on this argument in a much more defined and organized approach. Will be posting later with some rather interesting concepts.

Just a friendly bit of advice... prior to introducing anything new, you're much better served by ironing out the current wrinkles. Then, after you honed the beginning(and it needs it), it's okay to start adding to it. For whatever that's worth...

 

[creativesoul]

Just a friendly bit of advice... prior to introducing anything new, you're much better served by ironing out the current wrinkles. Then, only after you've successfully honed the beginning(and it needs it), is the right time to start adding to it. For whatever that's worth...

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

I hope I am right in assuming what this response here is referring too.
Are you asking the point of this entire conversation? If so then I can assure you that this thread is about Consciousness and Self-Consciousness, What do they both require and why they are so different yet linked at the same time.

Led Zeppelin is a troll and best left ignored, as creativesoul pointed out.

This presupposes that all cases of bringing a woman to orgasm requires fucking. That's not the case at all. Rather, that presupposition is falsified by what's happened, what is currently happening somewhere(lucky folks), and what will most certainly continue to happen so long as women are having orgasms by other means. I do not see that stopping any time soon.

Well, Led Zeppelin would know that if he could ever feel the touch of a woman.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Of course off topic, but fun enough to respond to anyway - fucking isn't the best method for giving women orgasms - ask me, I know, I'm a stud

You've obviously have never given a lady a Polish bike ride.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

We all know that life is required for consciousness.

Well this thread seems to be about how life developes consciousness/self consciousness, assuming an evolutionary perspective. Is that correct?

Something like this;

Big Bang -->Universe-->Stars and Rocks-->Life-->Consciousness-->Self Consciousness

I am wondering of the OP agrees with this, that consciousness has arisen naturally from non-living matter (stars and rocks).

 

[We are Borg]

Well this thread seems to be about how life developes consciousness/self consciousness, assuming an evolutionary perspective. Is that correct?

Something like this;

Big Bang -->Universe-->Stars and Rocks-->Life-->Consciousness-->Self Consciousness

I am wondering of the OP agrees with this, that consciousness has arisen naturally from non-living matter (stars and rocks).

Simply said yes, but Consciousness-->Self Consciousness is only for a few species.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Simply said yes, but Consciousness-->Self Consciousness is only for a few species.

Well.... alright I guess im a bit off topic

 

[creativesoul]

Well.... alright I guess im a bit off topic

It's just that you spoke of an "elephant in the room" which implies some serious issue that everyone knows but fails to mention. I mean, that's what the phrase is used for; to point that much out.

How inanimate matter becomes animate is a topic worthy of it's own thread. For this thread, we're not contemplating that much. I'm not sure about anyone else, but for my part, I could not care any less about that or the origin of the universe.

 

[*SD*]

At the OP's request, this thread is now locked and the discussion continues in a new thread by A.H.E which is here -

A new look at Self-Consciousness (Question reality)

Before we begin, I'd like to make it clear that I am new to philosophy in general. Any positive constructive feedback, along the way, would be awesome! I hope you enjoy this post, happy reading! (ABOUT) This post is an attempt at tackling what I think Self-Consciousness is, from a new...

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