Spirituality, and why I don't understand it...

[Niocan]

Did you even contemplate the other points and their implications? Those are the main points, the written facts, and the conspiracy here is what's called the 'offical' statements on Egypts past. I don't care who's right or wrong, I just want the truth.

 

[scalyblue]

You didn't make any points, you just blathered nonsense; it was nonsense that seemed partially intelligent considering that there were words in an order that resembled English, but that's okay. You're comfortable laying in your delusional world in which the truth you seek is the farthest thing from what actually happened. Let me go look at my bookshelf here, whoops! I have no information here on how the internet was created, it must have been made by space aliens. Let me drink some pool water and put on some suntan lotion, wow that pool water helped me not get a sunburn!

Humans aren't stupid, though I make an exception for present company. Do you know why the pyramids align to the star astro psycho-babble ley lines? Because the same idiots who thought up those ley lines were looking at the same sky as the same idiots who decided it would be a superb idea to build really tall things to memorialize their dead. Oh gee, guess what, to build a really tall thing when I haven't even discovered iron yet? I guess it has to have a wider base than its top. And wow, if I don't build it in the shape of a pyramid it falls apart. Go figure, doesn't that suck.

Your first faulty assumption is that the damned things are perfect beyond human capability, bullshit. They're squares. Oh gee golly willikers, they're proportional to the earth's whatever? Anybody with eyes and math can determine the circumferance of the earth, and they didn't even need to. The sun gives us a *GREAT* monitor on how the earth is moving, heck you can even use it to tell time. Wow, I can put a stick in the ground at sunrise, tie a string to it, and put another stick in the ground so the string is in the shadow of the first stick, gee looks like I have a reasonable enough east-west line to consider building something.

Aww, it's not written down anywhere? The illiterate pyramid builders who considered themselves inferior to the God Pharoah didn't build a memorial that they weren't paid to build? but..but...that's almost like the people who built the empire state building not building themselves another, smaller building just to prove that they were the ones to build the first. Damn them! Damn them for having several dozen political uphevals in which entire libraries were razed to the ground because they didn't agree with current doctrin, damn them for being invaded a half dozen times! They should have taken pictures and put them on a DVD so that Niocan could rest easy knowing that their hard work in tombbuilding wouldn't be mistaken for something else. Damn them.

You assert it can't be just a tomb, it's too big and extensive to be a tomb, look at the Taj Mahal you idiot. You think that's too big and expensive and expansive to be a tomb? Rewind 3500 years and recognize that these people believed that their pharoah was the literal anthropomorphism of a diety walking on earth, and that he needed a really big stepping stone to get to the stars.

Your mindset and your lack of faith in our idiot ancestors makes you even more of an idiot than they were; at least they had an excuse not to believe in the crap you believe in, they hadn't developed the scientific method yet.

You keep going on with your blithering search for whatever false truths you can convince yourself of. You keep going on ignoring evidence and moving the goalposts for what you will accept as correct. See how far it gets you. Just see how far it gets you in life taking colloidal silver instead of using your universal healthcare system. See how far it gets you in life to believe in your widdle heart and your widdle spirit's search for truth, love, and the idiotic way. See how far it gets you to think that the only verification comes from personal experience and enlightenment. I can't wait to see the fun; I just can't wait.

The sooner spiritualism is annihilated, the sooner this race of idiot meatbags can make the next technological marvels.

 

[jrparri]

There weren't any mummified corpses found in them,

False. There are numerous other pyramids that were discovered with bodies in them, and several are still sealed to this day. It is true that the three famous pyramids (the only ones recognized by third graders and conspiracy theorists) contained empty sarcophagi in their central chambers. The pyramids at Giza were evidently plundered ages ago, or it is also possible that the kings were never buried there - the pyramids themselves being elaborate decoys to lure robbers from the real stash. It's also been suggested that the bodies were buried without a chamber (that is, just randomly placed within the structure of the pyramid itself), which was found to be the case in some smaller pyramids. The rationale behind this practice isn't understood.

because they were buried in the Vally of the Kings...

True, many of them were buried there, particularly in the New Kingdom.

As for the strong ego-bound ruler, that's another myth that involves looking into the social applications of a matriarchal society.

LOL ok... :roll:

I find it fascinating that there aren't *any* writings found that describe how they were built, or what their purpose was. You'd think that with so many people working on it and the inevitable deaths there would be a shrine or mini pyramid built and inscribed to tell of their stories. None found.

It's not really all that fascinating that there is information missing .. it was five thousand years ago.

On top of that they were built near the beginning of their society, instead of working up to that size with smaller ones they decided to start off with a perfect bang..

False. For royalty, the practice of tomb building began in 3000BC, with the first pyramids having been built in the 3rd Dynasty - 2700BC... culminating in Khufu's obsessive venture at Giza (the first great pyramid) in the 4th dynasty 2550BC (that's 450 years of tomb-building practice). Pyramid building continued for another 300 years before the practice was abandoned for obvious socioeconomic reasons.

In total there are about 80 pyramids known to have been built in Egypt in addition to the handful of obvious huge ones.

I don't care who's right or wrong, I just want the truth.

If that's the case, may I suggest... research???

 

[nasher168]

Niocan, please cite your source. It would make this a lot quicker if we could just debunk it here and now.

 

[Niocan]

Please cite your sources that say the great pyramids were used as tombs and how the writings that say so are never found; Or how the society at the time would even allow for such acts of selflessness at the time.. Neither of you have so far by the way.

The idea that this was an isolated act of selflessness is absurd, and the work that took place is far too accurate for such huge sizes for their "time". Just imagine how it would've looked with the casing stones on and without weather damage.

 

[Durakken]

Do you know why the pyramids align to the star astro psycho-babble ley lines? Because the same idiots who thought up those ley lines were looking at the same sky as the same idiots who decided it would be a superb idea to build really tall things to memorialize their dead.

Actually, from what I understand the ley lines are actually real. They are a magnetic grid that goes around the earth I forget the explanation for why this happens, but where they intersect each other there is often a moument of some sort. This is because the field causes a few things in the human brain.

They were also used in some cases really coolly where massive stones were made to be really easy to move for some reason.

So there is a reason why things are built on ley lines besides just some people just made them up. They had experiences along them and could use them to do some nifty things thus they were considered powerful spots to build on.

On the other hand it was also considered bad to build on the lines in some parts of the world because of the same craziness and people though that instead of good things that bad things were trying to get them so they tended to avoid building on them.

 

[Niocan]

Thanks Durakken =p It's very true, there's a connection that we have with magnetic fields and it's the reason why astronauts need a generated field either by magnets or other means to keep them... well, sane :s. This might be another thread in of itself but the important thing here is that these lines *were* recognized at the time as spots of power; Which leads me to believe they build these structures to harness it in some way.
Instead of a permanent tomb for one person, think of it as a library of Alexandria where people or maybe just adepts would meet to discuss/learn/teach/etc.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Niocan, please cite your source. It would make this a lot quicker if we could just debunk it here and now.

How much do you want to bet he's just making shit up? :lol:

 

[scalyblue]

@Durakken
Some nice men from clearwater will to give you a personality test; go with them! Go and be free!

@Niocan
Did they cluster around the sarcophagus? or maybe in the narrow air shafts. You do realize that there is no internal structure to these things other than burial chambers, right? I think the nice men will want to speak to you, too.

 

[Niocan]

Alexandria perhaps was a bad term to describe what they might have done inside, but the pyramid itself would bring about that amount of attention. Inside would be for adepts or maybe teachers only, and the sarcophagus would be a seat of funneled power in a way. I'm not sure, but a temple of sorts sounds a lot more usable for the masses then a tomb..

 

[scalyblue]

There--is--no--inside other than a claustrophobic sarcophagus room and the access corridor to that room. The original entrance was sealed by the builders and faced over with limestone, if it was a meeting place the people meeting inside never had an opportunity to leave.

Also, seems like a very unusual meeting place where you can't even have more than 5 or 6 people inside before depleting the air, even given the 'ventilation' gaps.

http://www.guardians.net/egypt/gp1.htm

--edit--corrected some keyboard cancer x.x

 

[scalyblue]

Oh, BTW, from the page i already linked as well as other print sources that I don't feel like getting the ISBNs for

The attribution of the pyramid to King Khufu is supported by workman's markings that were found in the pyramid, located in small weight relieving chambers that were never intended to be opened or seen after they were completed.

and from
http://www.guardians.net/egypt/pyramids/GreatPyramid.htm

When blocks were cut at the various quarries they were organized and cataloged in order to prepare them for transportation to the site and final placement during assembly. The blocks were marked in red ink to fulfill this purpose and these markings would include the placements information and often also the name of the work-gang that would be directly working with the blocks. When the blocks were placed the markings were rubbed off of any surface that would be showing. Fortunately, they often did NOT remove these markings on surfaces which were not intended to be exposed. This has left us with some examples of these markings which can be seen on many sites. We will see many examples of these types of markings.

 

[Niocan]

Those are the very markings I mentioned that appeared fake; Why are they not engraved like everything else the Egyptians did? It's vandalism.

 

[scalyblue]

Those are the very markings I mentioned that appeared fake; Why are they not engraved like everything else the Egyptians did? It's vandalism.

Seems' you're a pyramidiot

http://guardians.net/hawass/articles/secretchambers.htm

The Great Pyramid of Khufu has always stirred the imagination and wonder of people. Some people have written non-scientific books about the Pyramid of Khufu, claiming that the pyramid was built by a lost civilization, known as Atlantis. In their public lectures they have even claimed that the only evidence that Khufu built the pyramid is the graffiti found in the five chambers that are located above the king's chamber. They claimed that this graffiti was not written by the workmen who built the pyramid but written by scholars and adventurers who entered the pyramid in the 19th century. The 'Pyramidiots,' as I like to call these people, claim that the five chambers are unique and that we have never seen them in any other pyramids, and they take that as proof that the Great Pyramid was not built by the ancient Egyptians. It is easy for the public to believe the Pyramidiots because their false stories are interesting, exciting and romantic; some people would rather believe a fairy tale than our scientific explanations.

The most interesting discovery here that I found was graffiti written behind one of the blocks that no one else could have written except the workmen who moved this stone. The students were in awe and wonder. They felt like they were a part of the Great Pyramid as they stood in its heart and saw the evidence of the ancient Egyptians who built this incredible monument.

the French team had found three relieving chambers above the main corridor inside the Pyramid at Meidum. This shows that the relieving chambers inside the Great Pyramid of Khufu are not connected only with Khufu but are found in other pyramids and this can answer the question of the Pyramidiots

 

[Niocan]

It's the *only* piece of actual evidence they have to backup the 'slaves did it' hypothesis; That's why I question it. Everything else is speculation, seeing as how there's no other engraved writings telling of the huge amount of time working on it or any possible way they could've brought the rocks to the site *or* carve them perfectly flat.... Speaking of:

The accuracy of the pyramid's workmanship is such that the four sides of the base have a mean error of only 58 millimeter in length [10] The base is horizontal and flat to within 15 mm. The sides of the square base are closely aligned to the four cardinal compass points (within 4 minutes of arc)[11] based on true north, not magnetic north[12], and the finished base was squared to a mean corner error of only 12 seconds of arc[13]. The completed design dimensions, as suggested by Petrie's survey and later studies, are estimated to have originally been 280 cubits in height by 440 cubits in length at each of the four sides of its base. These proportions equate to π/2 to an accuracy of better than 0.05% (corresponding to the approximation of π as 22/7).

Every solid granite rock that was carved would've had to be perfectly flat to achieve this accuracy, and they did it only with copper tools?

You'd throw away all these contradictions based upon one piece of vandalism?

 

[scalyblue]

Every solid granite rock that was carved would've had to be perfectly flat to achieve this accuracy, and they did it only with copper tools?

You'd throw away all these contradictions based upon one piece of vandalism?

Why are they contradictions? Because you don't believe that they were persistent enough to use copper tools to hone rock, or that they didn't know how to draw plumb or make things flat? Because you don't understand how, or you have failed to do the research to see how possible it was? Not surprising, considering your other misconceptions.

You know what? You feel so strongly and you have so many proofs? Go refute this article in harvard magazine. you know, that whole peer review thing you seem to disregard?

http://harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids.html

I won't hold my breath, though.

 

[Niocan]

haha, sorry but I don't feel the need to appeal to authority. If you can't support your own ideas then change them to something you can support. This would be a great place to stop the derailing of this thread that occurred >.>

Spirituality is the art of internal change. Any questions?

 

[scalyblue]

Spirituality can include introspection but is not defined by it. The need to find solace in fantastic ideas based from superstition and idiocy is a weakness of the human mind.

Stop leaning on the crutch of the non-existent.

@Niocan't --demanding that you refute a peer-reviewed article published by a reputable source isn't an appeal to authority, you idiot; it's how science works. Since you obviously can't refute it, you're wrong.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

@Niocan't --demanding that you refute a peer-reviewed article published by a reputable source isn't an appeal to authority, you idiot; it's how science works. Since you obviously can't refute it, you're wrong.

That's right... appeal to authority is a fallacy if you are claiming the person is right simply because they hold a title. Appealing to peer-reviewed research is a reasonable and logical thing to do.

Of course, you've committed a fallacy yourself. Just because someone is just making shit up and talking out of their ass, and can't refute the research, it doesn't mean that they are automatically wrong. If just means that you would have to be batshit crazy to take them seriously.

 

[scalyblue]

Of course, you've committed a fallacy yourself. Just because someone is just making shit up and talking out of their ass, and can't refute the research, it doesn't mean that they are automatically wrong. If just means that you would have to be batshit crazy to take them seriously.

Duly noted, I should be ashamed of myself! it...it felt so good though! I'd say...it was almost a ...spiritual experience.