Spirituality, and why I don't understand it...

[Jackcreed]

Personally I think the word spirituality has been so bastardized that it has no meaning anymore. For many the title is indeed a coping mechanism. I have known more than a few people who were quite atheistic in there thought process but called themselves spiritual. The reasons for this varied from the fact they couldn't deal with the thought of not having an afterlife to simply not wanting to be labeled as an atheist.
While I somewhat understand the desire for a more "spiritual" outlook it seems to me that the same sort of emotional consolation can be received through a much less delusional means. I am utterly taken by the natural universe as it is. For me science and reason are far more incredible than the over simplification spirituality and religion lend when attempting to explain the natural world. I guess what I am saying is that searching for the sacred outside the real world is so utterly pointless when the real world is so amazing in and of itself.

 

[Niocan]

Personally I think the word spirituality has been so bastardized that it has no meaning anymore.

Well of course it's viewed as such, you don't see many schools teaching it now do you?

For many the title is indeed a coping mechanism. I have known more than a few people who were quite atheistic in there thought process but called themselves spiritual.

In the same context, logic is your 'coping mechanism' for defining the solid reality. Also your view of "atheistic thoughts" are interesting; By definition (No higher-order derived thoughts) it's what you think satanism is.

The reasons for this varied from the fact they couldn't deal with the thought of not having an afterlife to simply not wanting to be labeled as an atheist.

The axiom: As Above So Below, would best describe why an afterlife is inevitable. From the trees to the stars there is always life from death.

I am utterly taken by the natural universe as it is. For me science and reason are far more incredible than the over simplification spirituality and religion lend when attempting to explain the natural world. I guess what I am saying is that searching for the sacred outside the real world is so utterly pointless when the real world is so amazing in and of itself.

They're both more amazing then anyone can imagine, and one can be understood by examining the other. If Science meant the pursuit of Truth and Reason the guiding factors then we couldn't agree more; But your view of science tends to be only that of "what this group of people have said they confirmed" and reason is hijacked by the schooling institutions..

Of all the frictional resistance, the one that most retards human movement is ignorance, what Buddha called "the greatest evil in the world." The friction which results from ignorance can be reduced only by the spread of knowledge and the unification of the heterogeneous elements of humanity. No effort could be better spent.

Universal peace as a result of cumulative effort through centuries past might come into existence quickly,not unlike a crystal that suddenly forms in a solution which has been slowly prepared.

Even matter called inorganic, believed to be dead, responds to irritants and gives unmistakable evidence of a living principle within. Everything that exists, organic or inorganic, animated or inert, is susceptible to stimulus from the outside.

Science is but a perversion of itself unless it has as its ultimate goal the betterment of humanity.

Some quotes to think about ^.^

 

[Jackcreed]

Personally I think the word spirituality has been so bastardized that it has no meaning anymore.

Well of course it's viewed as such, you don't see many schools teaching it now do you?

For many the title is indeed a coping mechanism. I have known more than a few people who were quite atheistic in there thought process but called themselves spiritual.

In the same context, logic is your 'coping mechanism' for defining the solid reality. Also your view of "atheistic thoughts" are interesting; By definition (No higher-order derived thoughts) it's what you think satanism is.

The reasons for this varied from the fact they couldn't deal with the thought of not having an afterlife to simply not wanting to be labeled as an atheist.

The axiom: As Above So Below, would best describe why an afterlife is inevitable. From the trees to the stars there is always life from death.

I am utterly taken by the natural universe as it is. For me science and reason are far more incredible than the over simplification spirituality and religion lend when attempting to explain the natural world. I guess what I am saying is that searching for the sacred outside the real world is so utterly pointless when the real world is so amazing in and of itself.

They're both more amazing then anyone can imagine, and one can be understood by examining the other. If Science meant the pursuit of Truth and Reason the guiding factors then we couldn't agree more; But your view of science tends to be only that of "what this group of people have said they confirmed" and reason is hijacked by the schooling institutions..

Of all the frictional resistance, the one that most retards human movement is ignorance, what Buddha called "the greatest evil in the world." The friction which results from ignorance can be reduced only by the spread of knowledge and the unification of the heterogeneous elements of humanity. No effort could be better spent.

Universal peace as a result of cumulative effort through centuries past might come into existence quickly,not unlike a crystal that suddenly forms in a solution which has been slowly prepared.

Even matter called inorganic, believed to be dead, responds to irritants and gives unmistakable evidence of a living principle within. Everything that exists, organic or inorganic, animated or inert, is susceptible to stimulus from the outside.

Science is but a perversion of itself unless it has as its ultimate goal the betterment of humanity.

Some quotes to think about ^.^

Wow, I don't even know where to begin. First of all you are making a whole hell of a lot of assumptions about my views. Secondly you really don't make a whole lot of sense while making these assumptions. My point is that by wasting your time and energy on unverifiable claims you are missing the real beauty that life and the natural world has to offer. Why the hell does it have to have some BS mystical quality to it? Can't the fact that it simply exists be enough. I see so many people waste there existence on ancient stories or notions of life after death that they forget to live this one. The bottom line is that there is no proof of God nor of existence after the body dies so why not enjoy the time you have? You seem to think that I just idly sit by and let positions of authority tell me what is true and what is not. You are sadly mistaken. It isn't the people I believe, its the data. The reproducible, empirical, falsifiable data. As of yet there is no good data when it comes to living beyond this body, nor of any kind of god or mystical supernatural thing that might be out there. So I see no reason to buy into the current "spiritual" modes of thought, they have no real barring on my life being full and from what I have seen they seem to do more harm than good anyway.

by the way Tesla is not the person to quote from when trying to convince a skeptic of your viewpoint.

 

[Niocan]

My point is that by wasting your time and energy on unverifiable claims you are missing the real beauty that life and the natural world has to offer.

Speaking of assumptions... :facepalm: I believe Nature is self similar across scale (As above, so below) and it means that there's always a reflection of your current situation in anything you look at... I forget who said it, but there's a quote that goes something like: "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
It's fascinating how much information Nature has to offer, if only we look and apply.

Why the hell does it have to have some BS mystical quality to it? Can't the fact that it simply exists be enough.

The 'BS' mystical quality is what we don't understand yet, that's all, and I like to have the metaphysical mapped out just as you might like the physical mapped out. It doesn't mean I ignore one or the other, because both are needed and I'll say it again; One can be understood by examining the other.

I see so many people waste there existence on ancient stories or notions of life after death that they forget to live this one.

We bring with us [to afterlife], only what we came in with [through birth]; Ourselves. Plus, it helps to actually understand the topics you seem to loath so much...

The bottom line is that there is no proof of God nor of existence after the body dies so why not enjoy the time you have?

Here's the proof. DMT being produced by the metaphysical third eye and it just so happens it's one of the most potent psychedelics known thus far... There's a great book [DMT: The Spirit Molecule] about the connection by Rick Strassman who conducted over 400 trials of intravenous DMT and the review of all the reports by the subjects.

Of course, I'd never expect anyone to agree with such a 'far out' (bad pun ) hypothesis because of the lack of importance in first hand experiences thanks to the vatican and society for thousands of years...

You seem to think that I just idly sit by and let positions of authority tell me what is true and what is not. You are sadly mistaken. It isn't the people I believe, its the data. The reproducible, empirical, falsifiable data.

The data being consolidated and interpreted.. by people Here's a little test for you:
Look at the mathematical precision of the Great pyramid alone (raw data, the kind you love), and tell me it was made by "primitive" man.

As of yet there is no good data when it comes to living beyond this body, nor of any kind of god or mystical supernatural thing that might be out there.

Mainly because it's all within

So I see no reason to buy into the current "spiritual" modes of thought, they have no real barring on my life being full and from what I have seen they seem to do more harm than good anyway.

Do what thou wilt.

by the way Tesla is not the person to quote from when trying to convince a skeptic of your viewpoint.

Can I ask why? Or should I just assume you have a preformed perception that edison was better..

 

[Jackcreed]

My point is that by wasting your time and energy on unverifiable claims you are missing the real beauty that life and the natural world has to offer.

Speaking of assumptions... :facepalm: I believe Nature is self similar across scale (As above, so below) and it means that there's always a reflection of your current situation in anything you look at... I forget who said it, but there's a quote that goes something like: "We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
It's fascinating how much information Nature has to offer, if only we look and apply.

I can certainly agree that we see things the way we perceive them. That is exactly why I am a skeptic. The scientific method is the means from which we can deduce reality from perception.

Why the hell does it have to have some BS mystical quality to it? Can't the fact that it simply exists be enough.

The 'BS' mystical quality is what we don't understand yet, that's all, and I like to have the metaphysical mapped out just as you might like the physical mapped out. It doesn't mean I ignore one or the other, because both are needed and I'll say it again; One can be understood by examining the other.

When I say BS mystical quality I am referring to the dogmas attached to religion that prevent people from living life the way they wish. The self same dogmas that make them feel the need to force others into the same sort of belief structures. Bronze age stories meant to scare the masses into submission. I am also referring to things like astrology and tarot readings, Reiki healers and kinesiology. These are not unexplained they are just simply fraudulent and the latter are even dangerous.

I see so many people waste there existence on ancient stories or notions of life after death that they forget to live this one.

We bring with us [to afterlife], only what we came in with [through birth]; Ourselves. Plus, it helps to actually understand the topics you seem to loath so much...

In the interest of full disclosure I have studied Christianity, Tibetan Buddhism, Pure Land Buddhism, Zen Buddhism, Taoism, Several paths of Wicca & Druidism, Thelema, Satanism, A little Hinduism, Shinto and Confucianism. I am not talking about just looking up the Wiki and reading a bit on them. I have delved into these subjects with some depth. I was, for about a decade, an ecclectic WIccan. I was, and in many ways still am, a practitioner of Zen Buddhism. So I wouldn't be to hasty to tell me I don't understand the metaphysical. I am very aware of how it "works" and what "uses" it provides. I have just come to realize that most of my experience with the metaphysical is far more easily explained through self delusion than actual supernatural means. Also, it's not that I loath it, I just don't see a point to much of it.

The bottom line is that there is no proof of God nor of existence after the body dies so why not enjoy the time you have?

Here's the proof. DMT being produced by the metaphysical third eye and it just so happens it's one of the most potent psychedelics known thus far... There's a great book [DMT: The Spirit Molecule] about the connection by Rick Strassman who conducted over 400 trials of intravenous DMT and the review of all the reports by the subjects.

Talk about perception! You see this as proof of life after death where as I see it as a chemical compound that helps the brain relax before the body dies. Until someone can show me physical evidence of a soul or some such thing leaving the body after death then I still see no proof. Again, repeatable evidence that can be replicated through set experimentation.

Of course, I'd never expect anyone to agree with such a 'far out' (bad pun ) hypothesis because of the lack of importance in first hand experiences thanks to the vatican and society for thousands of years...

:roll: ???

You seem to think that I just idly sit by and let positions of authority tell me what is true and what is not. You are sadly mistaken. It isn't the people I believe, its the data. The reproducible, empirical, falsifiable data.

The data being consolidated and interpreted.. by people Here's a little test for you:
Look at the mathematical precision of the Great pyramid alone (raw data, the kind you love), and tell me it was made by "primitive" man.

I'll tell you what even though there are any number of theories out there that give pretty reputable ideas as to how it was built without the helps of aliens or some such nonscense I will look into it.

As of yet there is no good data when it comes to living beyond this body, nor of any kind of god or mystical supernatural thing that might be out there.

Mainly because it's all within

You just defeated your own argument for this above."We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."So how can you possibly know for sure that what is "within" is reputable in any way?

So I see no reason to buy into the current "spiritual" modes of thought, they have no real barring on my life being full and from what I have seen they seem to do more harm than good anyway.

Do what thou wilt.

by the way Tesla is not the person to quote from when trying to convince a skeptic of your viewpoint.

Can I ask why? Or should I just assume you have a preformed perception that edison was better..

Tesla was a genius in many ways, however he was also pretty damned crazy. Much of his work wondered very far into the realm of pseudoscience. It's just not a good way in which to convince many skeptics of your own views. In fact quotes in general just don't really do much in the realm of convincing. For one they can be too easily mined to fit the criteria and two' many don't accept an argument from authority.

 

[Niocan]

In the interest of full disclosure I have studied Christianity, Tibetan Buddhism, Pure Land Buddhism, Zen Buddhism, Taoism, Several paths of Wicca & Druidism, Thelema, Satanism, A little Hinduism, Shinto and Confucianism. I am not talking about just looking up the Wiki and reading a bit on them. I have delved into these subjects with some depth. I was, for about a decade, an ecclectic WIccan. I was, and in many ways still am, a practitioner of Zen Buddhism. So I wouldn't be to hasty to tell me I don't understand the metaphysical. I am very aware of how it "works" and what "uses" it provides. I have just come to realize that most of my experience with the metaphysical is far more easily explained through self delusion than actual supernatural means. Also, it's not that I loath it, I just don't see a point to much of it.

"Self delusion" is a term the church created, a disempowering act on part of the person. I feel there are lessons you know but perhaps fail to apply to all situations; 7 spheres within themselves appearing self similar across all scales..
That's great though ^.^ at least you took the time and effort to come up with your own view of it. I believe that there's a golden thread of Truth, of varying length, in everything and it's our job to weave together a fabric that we can live and grow with.

Talk about perception! You see this as proof of life after death where as I see it as a chemical compound that helps the brain relax before the body dies. Until someone can show me physical evidence of a soul or some such thing leaving the body after death then I still see no proof. Again, repeatable evidence that can be replicated through set experimentation.

The brains ability to produce DMT is a unifying concept behind most if not all 'mythical' applications. It's a physical connection between states of Divine being and 'reality', something a facts finder should look at with fascination because of its implications and testability

I'll tell you what even though there are any number of theories out there that give pretty reputable ideas as to how it was built without the helps of aliens or some such nonscense I will look into it.

Eh, bluntly speaking I believe it was through sound and the reverse force of gravity. The pyramids being solid resonating structures used for energy of some kind, not tombs for the dead. Let me know what you think though!

You just defeated your own argument for this above."We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."So how can you possibly know for sure that what is "within" is reputable in any way?

We see the outside world as a reflection of our inner world, so to speak. That much time looking into those fields of spirituality and you haven't found out it's all within yet? I feel you missed something =p

Tesla was a genius in many ways, however he was also pretty damned crazy. Much of his work wondered very far into the realm of pseudoscience. It's just not a good way in which to convince many skeptics of your own views. In fact quotes in general just don't really do much in the realm of convincing. For one they can be too easily mined to fit the criteria and two' many don't accept an argument from authority.

It's only pseudscience if the reality cannot be tied to common understanding. Besides, everything needs to be explored to be proven right or wrong.

 

[Jackcreed]

"Self delusion" is a term the church created, a disempowering act on part of the person. I feel there are lessons you know but perhaps fail to apply to all situations; 7 spheres within themselves appearing self similar across all scales..
That's great though ^.^ at least you took the time and effort to come up with your own view of it. I believe that there's a golden thread of Truth, of varying length, in everything and it's our job to weave together a fabric that we can live and grow with.

Interesting that you would think it was created by the "church" especially considering that many would consider the church guilty of the same self delusion. Exactly what church, out of curiosity?

The brains ability to produce DMT is a unifying concept behind most if not all 'mythical' applications. It's a physical connection between states of Divine being and 'reality', something a facts finder should look at with fascination because of its implications and testability

Eh, bluntly speaking I believe it was through sound and the reverse force of gravity. The pyramids being solid resonating structures used for energy of some kind, not tombs for the dead. Let me know what you think though!

What evidence do you have for this theory? Why is it more plausible to you than the other theories that are far more terrestrial?


We see the outside world as a reflection of our inner world, so to speak. That much time looking into those fields of spirituality and you haven't found out it's all within yet? I feel you missed something =p

Really? I don't. What is within me consciously speaking is nothing more that the sum of my experience as a human animal. What I was nurtured with and taught, some of which I have changed in order to be a better person and some I have continued to nurture as it helps me learn and grow. I certainly don't see how I have missed something just because I don't take anything at face value without a little proof from an outside source.


It's only pseudscience if the reality cannot be tied to common understanding. Besides, everything needs to be explored to be proven right or wrong.

The problem with this is that there are some things that cannot, as of yet, be proven right or wrong. Any God from any religion, for instance, cannot be proven to be false. They cannot be proven to be real but with your logic we aught to go on ahead and believe in them any way, as long as we can hear them speak to us from "within". A woman in Texas, I think it was, was so convinced that God had talked to her that she followed his orders and killed her children. I'm sorry but spiritual understanding from "within" is just not viable evidence for much of anything except for maybe mental illness.

 

[Niocan]

"Self delusion" is a term the church created, a disempowering act on part of the person. I feel there are lessons you know but perhaps fail to apply to all situations; 7 spheres within themselves appearing self similar across all scales..
That's great though ^.^ at least you took the time and effort to come up with your own view of it. I believe that there's a golden thread of Truth, of varying length, in everything and it's our job to weave together a fabric that we can live and grow with.

Interesting that you would think it was created by the "church" especially considering that many would consider the church guilty of the same self delusion. Exactly what church, out of curiosity?

Disempowerment is created by any entity that claims conflict can be cured without, and not within. The vatican is a *prime* example.

The brains ability to produce DMT is a unifying concept behind most if not all 'mythical' applications. It's a physical connection between states of Divine being and 'reality', something a facts finder should look at with fascination because of its implications and testability

Eh, bluntly speaking I believe it was through sound and the reverse force of gravity. The pyramids being solid resonating structures used for energy of some kind, not tombs for the dead. Let me know what you think though!

What evidence do you have for this theory? Why is it more plausible to you than the other theories that are far more terrestrial?

What evidence do you have that says we can move solid, perfectly carved blocks of granite and position them into exact place with terrestrial means? Why call it terrestrial? I didn't invoke any 'outside' help.


We see the outside world as a reflection of our inner world, so to speak. That much time looking into those fields of spirituality and you haven't found out it's all within yet? I feel you missed something =p

Really? I don't. What is within me consciously speaking is nothing more that the sum of my experience as a human animal. What I was nurtured with and taught, some of which I have changed in order to be a better person and some I have continued to nurture as it helps me learn and grow. I certainly don't see how I have missed something just because I don't take anything at face value without a little proof from an outside source.

It's only pseudscience if the reality cannot be tied to common understanding. Besides, everything needs to be explored to be proven right or wrong.

The problem with this is that there are some things that cannot, as of yet, be proven right or wrong. Any God from any religion, for instance, cannot be proven to be false. They cannot be proven to be real but with your logic we aught to go on ahead and believe in them any way, as long as we can hear them speak to us from "within". A woman in Texas, I think it was, was so convinced that God had talked to her that she followed his orders and killed her children. I'm sorry but spiritual understanding from "within" is just not viable evidence for much of anything except for maybe mental illness.

I don't mean to challenge what you've learned, I mean to weave it together. All the teachings you listed deal with internal change (Internal Alchemy); All is a reflection of within, God included. My logic says learn from them, and apply what you find to be true within yourself; The evidence then, is change itself.

 

[scalyblue]

What evidence do you have that says we can move solid, perfectly carved blocks of granite and position them into exact place with terrestrial means? Why call it terrestrial? I didn't invoke any 'outside' help.

 

[Niocan]

I'm talking about the the ~600,000 stone blocks that weigh anything from 2-30 tonnes each in the shape of an exact pyramid, not some (still rather big) stones that formed stonehedge...
Keeping in mind that they were just "primitive sun worshipers".

 

[scalyblue]

Hm, I believe that video has one guy moving and uprighting a 12k lb piece of stone by himself, using nothing more than wood and water, in less than two days. Wow, what could possibly happen with ten thousand guys over the space of fifty years.

Give me six stakes and enough rope and I can make a perfect square by eye; and if I worshipped the sun I would even be inclined to align it based on the sun.

I think you're not giving our ancestors the credit they deserve.

--edit--
Oh, and iirc, the pyramids are hardly 'perfect' in any way that is outside the capabilities of the people who built them.

 

[Niocan]

They would've had to move 33 stones everyday for 50 years straight to build just one... and you honestly believe they were just used as tombs? (There's only one hieroglyph that says it's a tomb and it's been proven to be false.)
You know the original team had to blast their way in because there wasn't any viable openings right?

Let's not forget they had to maintain their accuracy in placing each block over said 50 years, and how vastly old they are (At least 17.5K years old, placing it right after the ice age meltings).

But they're just tombs, right? :facepalm:

 

[jrparri]

They would've had to move 33 stones everyday for 50 years straight to build just one... and you honestly believe they were just used as tombs?

Yes. People are crazy that way.

(There's only one hieroglyph that says it's a tomb and it's been proven to be false.)

Why do they need to label it? They buried a king in it. Because that's what you do... you bury kings in built-up tombs. There are thousands of smaller tombs, little pyramids, etc clearly leading up to the ego crescendo that resulted in the huge famous ones.

You know the original team had to blast their way in because there wasn't any viable openings right?

I know! Weird right? I mean if I was going to build a tomb, I'd put a revolving door on there to handle all the foot traffic.

Let's not forget they had to maintain their accuracy in placing each block over said 50 years, and how vastly old they are (At least 17.5K years old, placing it right after the ice age meltings).

Physics maintained their accuracy for them -- not accurate? Block fall down!

Three is no other way to build something that is tall. They didn't care about the pyramid shape - they wanted tall. But when you build tall, you end up with a pyramid (given the limited architectural tech that they had). If you don't end up with a pyramid, the thing falls over. If their tech was so great they would have smelted some iron, made girders, built a frame structure, and made a sky-scraper. But no, they only knew how to cut and stack rocks. Hence: pyramid.

Saying that Egyptians were geniuses because they built "perfect pyramids" is the exact same misallocation of intelligence as the people who say "spherical" planets prove intelligent design. The answer to both questions involve the word "gravity" and the phrase "because there's no other way".

But they're just tombs, right? :facepalm:

:facepalm: indeed.

 

[xchillx42]

I'm talking about the the ~600,000 stone blocks that weigh anything from 2-30 tonnes each in the shape of an exact pyramid, not some (still rather big) stones that formed stonehedge...
Keeping in mind that they were just "primitive sun worshipers".

... The were both privative sun worshippers. -.-

and both great feats the Egyptians had copper tools, the guys who built stone henge only had bone tools...

 

[scalyblue]

They would've had to move 33 stones everyday for 50 years straight to build just one... and you honestly believe they were just used as tombs? (There's only one hieroglyph that says it's a tomb and it's been proven to be false.)
You know the original team had to blast their way in because there wasn't any viable openings right?

Let's not forget they had to maintain their accuracy in placing each block over said 50 years, and how vastly old they are (At least 17.5K years old, placing it right after the ice age meltings).

But they're just tombs, right? :facepalm:

The Empire State Building was impossible, they would've had to move 3 tons of steel everyday for 50 years straight to build just the skeleton... and you honestly believe it is just used as an office building?

Let's not forget they had to maintain their accuracy in placing each girder over said 50 years, and how vastly high they are (At least 1400 feet up, placing it right above the skyline).

But it's just an office building, right?

Oh, btw, the (egyptian) pyramids are more like 4-5k years old, not 17. Don't know where you're getting your info, but it's wrong.

 

[xchillx42]

They would've had to move 33 stones everyday for 50 years straight to build just one... and you honestly believe they were just used as tombs? (There's only one hieroglyph that says it's a tomb and it's been proven to be false.)
You know the original team had to blast their way in because there wasn't any viable openings right?

Let's not forget they had to maintain their accuracy in placing each block over said 50 years, and how vastly old they are (At least 17.5K years old, placing it right after the ice age meltings).

But they're just tombs, right? :facepalm:

Yes there just tombs, they believed the Pheroes were gods. Also you do crazy things for dictators with large armies.

And large things are easy to build, provided you have an workforce that could inhabit a small country.

 

[nasher168]

They would've had to move 33 stones everyday for 50 years straight to build just one... and you honestly believe they were just used as tombs? (There's only one hieroglyph that says it's a tomb and it's been proven to be false.)
You know the original team had to blast their way in because there wasn't any viable openings right?

Firstly, provide a source.

Secondly, 33 stones really isn't all that much, when you have literally tens-or even hundreds- of thousands of people working for you.

Thirdly, I suppose the fact that there was an elaborately-decorated dead guy in there means nothing, huh? They were just tombs, built for kings thought to be divine. Every scrap of evidence indicates that much.

Fourthly, the original team had to blast their way in? According to Wikipedia, it was opened in 820 by an Arab Caliph, long before the age of gunpowder (but that's only really a minor point). He had to force an entry, because the original entrance had been blocked by several granite plugs placed in to stop thieves. There was, however, once a clear entrance, as shown by this picture (it's big, so I'll just put the link):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Great_Pyramid_Diagram.svg


Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza

 

[jrparri]

... Thirdly, I suppose the fact that there was an elaborately-decorated dead guy in there means nothing, huh?

Everyone knows that the sarcophagus was placed there in the 5th century by the Vatican :evil: and Society :evil: to fool us into thinking that the Egyptians/Atlanteans didn't have gravity-defying technology.

Duh.

 

[Niocan]

There weren't any mummified corpses found in them, because they were buried in the Vally of the Kings...
As for the strong ego-bound ruler, that's another myth that involves looking into the social applications of a matriarchal society.

I find it fascinating that there aren't *any* writings found that describe how they were built, or what their purpose was. You'd think that with so many people working on it and the inevitable deaths there would be a shrine or mini pyramid built and inscribed to tell of their stories. None found. On top of that they were built near the beginning of their society, instead of working up to that size with smaller ones they decided to start off with a perfect bang..

 

[scalyblue]

Uhh, you really need to check your facts. There are several, several pyramid structures that are smaller and clearly inexperienced attempts.

You can live in your little spiritual timey wimey ball, the whole world is a conspiracy bent on repressing the information that you discovered to help benefit humanity...thank you Jesus Niocan, for opening our eyes to the great conspiracies!