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/retry New World Order discussion.
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sleepychild
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What what else? What else do I believe in? I believe in nothing. I have reasonable doubts thou. I doubt that people working for the CIA or MI6 or MOSAD pull of acts of terror for fun whit out the guidance of people up the chain. And I doubt the terror organization named after the code name of a CIA asset database had prior knowledge that NORAD will be running drills that day and will be handicapped. Or maybe I don't doubt that. I don't know. That is why I am here.
sleepychild
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I can give drastic conspiracy answers but they sound crazy to me too. But the notion that what Bush Senior Bush Junior Clinton and Obama are doing is a coincidence, that is insane. Occam's Razor works wonders in simplifying but we are not here for the simplest answer, we are here for the right answer.
sleepychild
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"It means that the simplest answer is probably the right one."
SchrodingersFinch
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It means that "when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better".sleepychild said:
sleepychild
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This just means you have a better reason to think one theory is better then another. But this in itself is not evidence. I don't disagree whit the statement and I also like to put it in practice but doing so I know it is best used to guide you in that which theory to test first.
MillionSword
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I try not to take sides for these sorts of things because I honestly see good evidence on both sides. However for this subject I just want to point out that whether you choose the "simplest" answer or not can mean the difference between elite political figures being considered criminals or not, so I have to agree with sleepychild in that it is improtant to get the RIGHT answer here.
sleepychild
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Sorry but I have given up. Choosing your side is like choosing the truth in this matter. And truth is beyond choice and beyond consequence. Evidence point in any direction based on the purpose they serve. It is not only our media that has gone in the hands of corporate interest, our science is now corporate. Our whole reality is compromised. Trust no one and nothing. Call me paranoid for insult is beyond me. If I am making a fool out of myself, so be it. There is one truth beyond evidence that can't be torn alway from us. You hold it in your eternal soul as a priority, it is the essence of the human condition. And it speaks to you, tells you. Keep your family safe, keep the people close to you safe. Sacrifice yourself for your brother for the future of your seeds and the generations to come. Wake up and push back against oppression, against tyranny, against slavery. 9/11 can be debunked, Rwandan can't. 7/7 can be debunked, Sudan can't.
sleepychild
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Quote mining, extrapolating evidence out of nothing. Finger, are you sure you are not a creationist or a conspiracy nut?
There you have what? People in this forum need to start making sense right now. Explain or keep your comments to yourself.
There you have what? People in this forum need to start making sense right now. Explain or keep your comments to yourself.
What he's saying is that you're making a fool out of yourself. And what is the truth which cannot be torn away from us? I suppose this would be one that requires no evidence. That would explain why you know of it, none of your truths have any evidence.
sleepychild
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The truth is that this is what we are here for.
And you are incapable of understanding or reading.
You're just being silly. While it may be true that the reason we're here is because of reproduction this does not make it purposeful, as you imply. Also, selfsacrifise is a misfiring of our alturism.
Also, waking up and pushing something back is not a truthclaim, it's an action. It seems you're more incapable of forming a truthstatement than I am of reading.
Also, if our whole reality is compromised, this means that we cannot possibly know anything. If this is true, how could we possibly sacrifise ourselves for the generations to come, as we do not know if there indeed are anything that is generations, or which our brothers are, or if there are other sentient beings in the world we experience.
And the most silly thing about you is that you make unfounded assumptions based on the notion that we cannot find evidence and expect us to believe you. Try the scientific method on your statements:
Does your theory make any observable predictions which would differ from the current theory? y/n
If yes, make predictions based on your theory
Test the predictions
If no, apply occams razor, go back to the drawingboard.
Also, waking up and pushing something back is not a truthclaim, it's an action. It seems you're more incapable of forming a truthstatement than I am of reading.
Also, if our whole reality is compromised, this means that we cannot possibly know anything. If this is true, how could we possibly sacrifise ourselves for the generations to come, as we do not know if there indeed are anything that is generations, or which our brothers are, or if there are other sentient beings in the world we experience.
And the most silly thing about you is that you make unfounded assumptions based on the notion that we cannot find evidence and expect us to believe you. Try the scientific method on your statements:
Does your theory make any observable predictions which would differ from the current theory? y/n
If yes, make predictions based on your theory
Test the predictions
If no, apply occams razor, go back to the drawingboard.
sleepychild
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Does your theory make any observable predictions which would differ from the current theory? y/n
There is no other current theory.
If yes, make predictions based on your theory
War on Iran which is consistent whit what you believe.
Test the predictions
I already tested it and it is positive. Obama became president and the UN ignore genocide watch reports.
If no, apply occams razor, go back to the drawingboard.
There is no other current theory.
If yes, make predictions based on your theory
War on Iran which is consistent whit what you believe.
Test the predictions
I already tested it and it is positive. Obama became president and the UN ignore genocide watch reports.
If no, apply occams razor, go back to the drawingboard.
sleepychild
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The NWO theory makes predictions about a lot of things and come to think of it conspiracy theorists have always made such predictions. So It is a way of proving not the existence of a group or conspiracy but marks a secret agenda. So you take the geopolitical view on the world of a realistic political analyst and that of an garden variety conspiracy theories nut. You make predictions based on both views, and in shock you will find that 9 out of 11 are exactly the same. So you have two predictions that don't fit. The other 9 are irrelevant but these two show who has the better theory. You are going to get two news stories one saying "no one could have imagined that they would use planes as bombs" the other saying "the nation is in shock after the assassination of the president". This could be mistaken for a brilliant scientific test to uncover some behind the scenes political machinations. But we are absent a control group that could help cut out the "Shit happens!" element of human history. In two words, to control the middle east you need Iran. So if they are a coherent group trying to take over the world one of two things will happen. Iran will change course or it will be leveled to the ground like Iraq and Afghanistan. Im not saying any events in the region could be evident of anything. But I don't believe in the roll of the dice and I am still waiting for WMD's to be found in Iraq.
Finger
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I remember hearing many of the NWO conspiracy theory's so-called predictions before and after 9/11. People like Alex Jones publicly announced in advance that they would regard any terrorist attack against the US as a staged "false flag" operation. They call this a "prediction," evidently not understanding what the word even means. But if any claims they made could even qualify as a prediction, among them would be their claims that martial law would be declared all civil liberties suspended in the wake of a terrorist attack. This never happened. I also remember hearing a lot about some mandatory US national ID card that was suppose to take effect in 2008. That too never happened. The NWO conspiracy theorists are always claiming that an Orwellian future is "just around the corner." But even though they've been saying this since the 70s, it never manages to happen.sleepychild said:
Even if it were true that Iran was some sort of key to controlling the middle east, your "prediction" ignores the fact that Iran is a theocracy. It ignores the fact that its president is an irrational, authoritarian with no respect for civil government or the rights of his people. It ignores the fact that they have cut themselves off from diplomatic relations with the western world. And it thus ignores the possibility that Iran could be a legitimate threat to the western world and that we may be justified in trying to keep Ahmadinejad from developing nuclear technology. Your chosen facts are so narrow, that your theory is equally as narrow.sleepychild said:
As for WMDs in Iraq.. If this NWO is so powerful that its able to organize and carry out every major terrorist attack of this decade in secret, why did it have such a hard time planting WMDs on Saddam? And for that matter, why couldn't they construct a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda? You seem to forget that it was the 9/11 commission that questioned the Bush administration's intelligence on these issues and it was the mainstream media that reported it to the American people eventually leading to what was the most unpopular administration since Nixon. If this was the plan, it was a terrible plan.
sleepychild
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On February 17, 1950, James Paul Warburg confidently declared to the United States Senate: "We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."
A very unpopular republican president was what the democratic party needed to take the next election. Bush did what he intended to do, his work as president is over so now he can concentrate on his fathers oil company. And public opinion is just what they need it to be. So why bother planting WMD's. And about marshal law police state or an Orwell type society WTF ever. Rome was not build in a day. Changes can take 70, 90 or 200 years if you want people to consent to slavery, except if you have an event that justifies the compromise of liberty for security. I sometimes listen to The Alex Jones Show and i don't believe him, he has 0 credibility, but CNN NBC and FOX have even less. There is one another thing, if you make 120 predictions per hour. Some of them might turn out correct.
A very unpopular republican president was what the democratic party needed to take the next election. Bush did what he intended to do, his work as president is over so now he can concentrate on his fathers oil company. And public opinion is just what they need it to be. So why bother planting WMD's. And about marshal law police state or an Orwell type society WTF ever. Rome was not build in a day. Changes can take 70, 90 or 200 years if you want people to consent to slavery, except if you have an event that justifies the compromise of liberty for security. I sometimes listen to The Alex Jones Show and i don't believe him, he has 0 credibility, but CNN NBC and FOX have even less. There is one another thing, if you make 120 predictions per hour. Some of them might turn out correct.