/retry New World Order discussion.

[irmerk]

I tried to get into the last thread about this concept, but it seemed to be a cluster-fuck. I do not know much about the New World Order theories, mostly because everyone who believes in it seems to have a differing opinion from each other. So, I would like to hear some discussion on what exactly is connected with the idea of a New World Order and who could agree with what concepts.

From as far as I can gather, part of it includes the 9-11 conspiracy theory. Now, disbelief in such a conspiracy is purely skepticism, or I have yet to see any evidence against it. I do not believe in this personally, yet I wish it were true in the sense that it would make George Bush and those associated with him all the more interesting historically.

Also, FEMA camps has to do with it; however, I still do not know a shit about them.

Others I have heard of but know even less about are the Amero (Currency?), the universal I.D., NAFTA (Don't know how this ties in), and maybe a couple of others.

Anyway, I think it will provide some interesting conversation lest it goes off topic like it seemed the last thread did. Again, if you know what other ideas are connected with the NWO, present them. If you like or dislike any of the ideas, explain why.

 

[Aluman]

While I do not think they were directly behind it, we do know (now) that Cheney and other did want some kind of event like 9/11 to occur so that they could basically fight whatever wars they wanted without worrying about it. However this isn't NWO.

NWO at its original state was the UN taking over the world.
Which is a joke as the UN would have to put it to several subcomitties and at least one of the security council would veto it.

 

[Kni7es]

New World Order conspiracy theories are a dynamic and varied cancer on our society. What any given NWO conspiracy theorist believes in is largely irrelevant because it will fluctuate from person-to-person as times change and events unfold. They draw upon any given instance of government secrecy and/or complexity, and correlate that with other (oftentimes) unrelated instances. For instance: a NWO conspiracy theorist can, through a marvelous display of mental gymnastics, correlate the Swine Flu epidemic with rumors of FEMA concentration camps.

The theories themselves are just as varied as the nuts who cook them up. What is more important is what they share in common. NWO conspiracies represent a way of looking at the world; an incredibly paranoid, yet remarkably lazy way of understanding how things work. The actual structure of civilization is an incredibly complex thing, and understanding it requires knowledge of the vast and dynamic governmental, social, and economic institutions that we are all a part of. Actually educating one's self about how the many branches of government work, as well as its subsidiary organizations, and the financial institutions, and social outlets like mass media, and so on and so fourth, requires a lot of time, mental exertion, and intellectual stamina.

Some people who just simply do not have the will or the capacity to learn about these things rationalize the world in a different way. Rather than the world being run by a complex network of governments, banks, businesses, firms, and people like you and me, they conclude that it is being run by a Shadow Government, or a New World Order. Everything else that they were too lazy or stupid to learn about are just puppets thrown up on a stage to distract us, while unseen forces manipulate their pawns from behind the curtain. None of that hard-to-understand stuff is real to them, it's all just part of one big simplified conspiracy.

 

[Artsysiridean]

Of all places that I first heard some of these things it was high school, a few kids having been hung up on this until the Da Vinci Code came along. I can still remember some of the things that caught my attention and made me skeptical of the world until a few moments later, when logic kicked in. As convoluted as all these things seem I'm rather surprised everyone tries to unite each other under a personal banner of what is and what isn't. It doesn't matter if these theories are true or false, they just seem to rely on each other more then anything.

I'll be frank, though. I do doubt some things concerning the government, but only in a very shallow sense. Living at the nations capital I've yet to see any hush hush goings on that could lead to giangantic scandals other then Bush feigning being a dimwit and our Metro system seeming to be as safe as riding on a Boeing 737. Things that piss me off are like "Teh stonemasons were secretive so they're all evil and runnin' shit'" as well as "X looks like X so X is X" because it's causes so many problems. One of which being people come by graveyards and sites that wouldn't be worth a damn if not for some mention involving one of these conspiracies, and property values skyrocket to impossiblity, happening everywhere every so often it's like playing the stock market.

Then there's being branded "brainwashed by x" because you live here, despite being otherwise off the radar thanks to (let's say) lots of political in-fighting and high crime rates that not even the Patriot Act can incur wrath upon. It's an ad hominem attack that hits hard because, as it's said before, sometimes conspiracy theorists are too lazy to come to well thought out conclusions. It not only further shrouds relativity behind false mystery but it causes in-fighting with like minded people. And in all this unrest more crime and shady dealings crop up thanks to "the populace's mind's have been tainted' or "their in on it."

It's a clusterfuck.

 

[Finger]

New World Order conspiracy theories are a dynamic and varied cancer on our society. What any given NWO conspiracy theorist believes in is largely irrelevant because it will fluctuate from person-to-person as times change and events unfold. They draw upon any given instance of government secrecy and/or complexity, and correlate that with other (oftentimes) unrelated instances. For instance: a NWO conspiracy theorist can, through a marvelous display of mental gymnastics, correlate the Swine Flu epidemic with rumors of FEMA concentration camps.

The theories themselves are just as varied as the nuts who cook them up. What is more important is what they share in common. NWO conspiracies represent a way of looking at the world; an incredibly paranoid, yet remarkably lazy way of understanding how things work. The actual structure of civilization is an incredibly complex thing, and understanding it requires knowledge of the vast and dynamic governmental, social, and economic institutions that we are all a part of. Actually educating one's self about how the many branches of government work, as well as its subsidiary organizations, and the financial institutions, and social outlets like mass media, and so on and so fourth, requires a lot of time, mental exertion, and intellectual stamina.

Some people who just simply do not have the will or the capacity to learn about these things rationalize the world in a different way. Rather than the world being run by a complex network of governments, banks, businesses, firms, and people like you and me, they conclude that it is being run by a Shadow Government, or a New World Order. Everything else that they were too lazy or stupid to learn about are just puppets thrown up on a stage to distract us, while unseen forces manipulate their pawns from behind the curtain. None of that hard-to-understand stuff is real to them, it's all just part of one big simplified conspiracy.

What he said.

Paranoia + Apophenia - Intelligence = NWO Conspiracy Theory

 

[e2iPi]

Benjamin Franklin summed up my feelings on virtually every conspiracy theory

"Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead."

e2iPi

 

[jus10ls]

It's all the doing of the evul Bilderberg Group!!!1111

 

[sleepychild]

This is not a theory, this is fact. The elite control the world, and they don't control the world because they are the elite. They are the elite because they control the world. If they all die, (and i hope they do) they are going to be replaced. And the new world controller group will be the elite. We refer to them as the new world order because of two major reasons. First, we think that they came just now to control the world. We are wrong. They have been ruling over the world for as long as we dare speculate. They are the old world order. Second , the global agenda seems to be going in a direction of a drastic reorganization. The organization of the world aka the world order is changing. And it has been, for one reason or another. Canada, Mexico and the US are merging (mainstream news). Europe is already merged and governed in increasing extent by one political entity.

 

[IrBubble]

Prove it.

 

[sleepychild]

Prove it.

Prove what? My statement is totally public facts. Nothing in it can be seen as speculation. If you are not aware of current events maybe I'm sorry but you are going to have to be a bit more concrete about what exactly you don't understand or what you don agree whit.

 

[IrBubble]

1: Who are the "elite"?
2: How do you know that they have been ruling the world longer than we dare to speculate?
3: Prove that the U.S, Canada and Mexico are merging.
4: Prove that Europe is merged.

I probably don't disagree with your facts, I do however disagree with the conclusion that this is due to a worldwide agenda and that there is a coherent group which is controlling the entire world.

 

[sleepychild]

1: Who are the "elite"?
Elite aka G8 aka world trade organization aka many different organizations.

2: How do you know that they have been ruling the world longer than we dare to speculate?
For as long as you have had ruling you have had rulers. I'm not saying power doesn't change hands.

3: Prove that the U.S, Canada and Mexico are merging.
NAFTA, or better http://www.spp.gov/factsheet.asp?dName=fact_sheets

4: Prove that Europe is merged.
I'm a Bulgarian, we are a member of the E.U.
Policy made above our government is being implemented and affects my life. Besides, no boarders one currency.

I probably don't disagree with your facts, I do however disagree with the conclusion that this is due to a worldwide agenda and that there is a coherent group which is controlling the entire world.

We know they are coherent, their meetings are always on the news.

 

[IrBubble]

The meetings between Palestine and Israel are on the news, and they are in no way sympathetic to eachothers cause.

And when you say the elite you use it to suggest a single entity, which is totally dishonest.

And about the E.U, the directives of the EU does not supercede the descisions of the member-states in said state.

 

[sleepychild]

Dude, don't start whit Israel. About the E.U. ,Rome wasn't build in a day. Bulgaria is a poor country and needs money, we get money from the E.U. and if we don't do what we are told they just stop sending money. So don't tell me what the E.U. is.

 

[IrBubble]

Why can't I tell you what the E.U is? You have no special authority because you come from a country which is poor. And please do start with Israel, instead of pretending like you have something to say.

You're behaving very poorly. If you have a case, present it, if you don't, stop pretending like you have all the facts.

 

[sleepychild]

Why can't I tell you what the E.U is? You have no special authority because you come from a country which is poor. And please do start with Israel, instead of pretending like you have something to say.

You're behaving very poorly. If you have a case, present it, if you don't, stop pretending like you have all the facts.

So you are basically saying that poor people don't deserve rights. And Israel has the right to do the same thing Hitler did.

And I'm behaving very poorly???

 

[IrBubble]

Stop putting words in my mouth, that is absolutely not what I am saying, and I have said nothing that can be interpeted as such a statement. So yes, you are behaving poorly, if you wish to continue this conversation state your facts, your reasoning around them and how you come to your conclusions. Until then I will assume you have nothing.

You have no special authority because you come from a country which is poor.

is not saying that poor should have no rights, it's saying they have the same, exact equal authority as everybody else who is equally qualified.

 

[sleepychild]

The EU is a political entity above the governments level. Treaties and policies made whit in it must be obeyed or you lose your membership. When Bulgaria first entered the EU we had to comply whit an order to shut down 4 nuclear power reactors. The Kozlodui Nuclear power plant lost more than 70 precent of its producing capacity. It is responsible for 40 percent of our electricity. We had the capability to export part of the capacity to neighboring countries. They said it was a risk despite it was cleared as safe by the IAEA. The electricity deals went to other EU members. And now we have to import natural gas from Russia. And I personally know how that affects prices and growth. So what about the EU. And Israel is one of the most brutal regimes. And if the US doesn't stop feeding it they will pass any record for murder or displacement we have seen.

 

[Quindar]

@sleepychild

What conspiracy theories don't you believe in? So far we've got at least NWO, 9/11, and JFK.

What else? Moon landings? Reptilians?

 

[sleepychild]

NWO, 9/11, and JFK Is actually one and the same theory.