Yfelsung said:
the quest is if our universe would exist without a creator, in first place. I have not seen so far a compelling and rational explanation , presented by any of the participants of this forum, how the universe could have come into existence without a intelligent creator.
The range of oxygen level in the atmosphere that permits life can be fairly broad, but oxygen is definitely necessary for life. Mars falls far short in that respect, and so does Venus. The amount of 'pure' oxygen in the atmosphere is dependent on many things, like volcanism, thermal activity in the core of the planet, and the amount of metal in the crust. Too much metal would absorb the oxygen in the air in the form of rust and oxidation. Estimated probability
So you think, following scientists are all lying ?
Fred Hoyle
(British astrophysicist)
"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question."
http://www.bethinking.org/science-christianity/fine-tuning-the-multiverse-theory.htm
Hawking, A Brief History of Time, p.125.
The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life"¦ It seems clear that there are relatively few ranges of values for the numbers that would allow the development of any form of intelligent life. Most sets of values would give rise to universes that, although they might be very beautiful, would contain no one able to wonder at their beauty.
George Ellis
(British astrophysicist)
"Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word."
Paul Davies
(British astrophysicist)
"There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all. It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe. The impression of design is overwhelming."
Alan Sandage
(winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy)
"I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing."
John O'Keefe
(NASA astronomer)
"We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures. If the universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in."
George Greenstein
(astronomer)
"As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency,or, rather, Agency,must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?"
Arthur Eddington
(astrophysicist)
"The idea of a universal mind or Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present state of scientific theory."
Arno Penzias
(Nobel prize in physics)
"Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan."
Roger Penrose
(mathematician and author)
"I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance."
Tony Rothman
(physicist)
"When confronted with the order and beauty of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it."
Vera Kistiakowsky
(MIT physicist)
"The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the divine."
Stephen Hawking
(British astrophysicist)
"What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe? "¦
Up to now, most scientists have been too occupied with the development of new theories that describe what the universe is to ask the question why?"
Alexander Polyakov
(Soviet mathematician)
"We know that nature is described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created it."
Ed Harrison
(cosmologist)
"Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God,the design argument of Paley,updated and refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one. Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the teleological or design argument."
Edward Milne
(British cosmologist)
"As to the cause of the Universe, in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but our picture is incomplete without Him [God]."
Barry Parker
(cosmologist)
"Who created these laws? There is no question but that a God will always be needed."
Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel
(cosmologists)
"This type of universe, however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'."
Arthur L. Schawlow
(Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981 Nobel Prize in physics)
"It seems to me that when confronted with the marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how. The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God in the universe and in my own life."
Henry "Fritz" Schaefer
(computational quantum chemist)
"The significance and joy in my science comes in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little corner of God's plan."
Wernher von Braun
(Pioneer rocket engineer)
"I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."
Now you start making completely baseless assertions. No, my friend, we dont know how abiogenesis is possible. we really dont.... understand that.
false, again. that is wishful thinking.
They are proven ? then they are facts, not theories anymore.....
And now, in the end, starting with a personal attack.....
well, that said, i think its time to not waste further time with you.
