Man stoned to death in the US

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

The fact that the murderer was the executor of the victim's estate would mean that he'd have to have some idea of what the old man was worth.

Not necessarily, I am the executor for my parents estate and I have no idea what they are worth, an executor is only there to follow the instructions as determined by the will. It does not require any prior information as to what instructions are in the will.

Granted, yet you may have some idea of their worth, if only due to their being your parents.

I think that this chap may well have had some idea of his victim's worth - how could he be the old man's executor??

There had to be some sort of relationship - not sexual! - but he must have known the old man over a long period of time to reach such a position of trust.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[aeritano]

On the bright side, he wont profit anything from his crime.

its against the Law in the united states to take profit of criminal events. So he is going to rot away in jail... easily on murder one charges...
then we will see how that boy likes taking bubba, Paco, and The neo nazi in the ass..

Oh the irony of it all... that boy is gonna become someone's bitch
the poetic justice is soo sweet

 

[Giliell]

Oh the irony of it all... that boy is gonna become someone's bitch
the poetic justice is soo sweet

Fail, fail, fail again.

 

[aeritano]

Oh the irony of it all... that boy is gonna become someone's bitch
the poetic justice is soo sweet

Fail, fail, fail again.

How is this fail?

Let me tell you how this will play out:

Charges will be murder 1 and a hate crime under the Matthew Sheppard's act ( he had intent and motive to gain the guy;s money)
He will claim the bible told him it was ok
People will find him guilty ( regardless of his defense, he killed a man)
sent to prison
young men in prison usually becomes someone else's bitch.. lets face it, the 28 year old who committed this crime doesn't look like he can fend off a guy who pumps iron 16 hours of the day. There is a reason why young skinny men are known as currency in Prison.

Frankly, he deserves every ass pounding he gets

and fyi: even if he does get off on insanity, he still can not claim the money because he was still found guilty of a crime.. guilty due to mental defect is still a guilty charge.. and if you are found guilty in any case, you can not benefit for the actions of the crime..

either way, he goes to a jail and gets fucked by a guy ( irony) or he goes to a nut house where he will be in a chemical coma for the bulk of his life... either way.. he wont get the money... he fortified his money when he committed the act.. he can only get the money if he is found innocent

 

[Giliell]

How is this fail?

It's sad that I even have to explain

Frankly, he deserves every ass pounding he gets

Yes, because rape is something that civilised people consider to be an adequate punishment for anything.
BECAUSE YOU ARE PRO-RAPE!
That's why you fail.
Because you support a culture that makes sexual assault of a person, regardless of their history, something that is ok and can be blamed on the victim.
Because, apparently, the victim asked for it and got what they deserved.
If this exuse works once it works a hundred times.

 

[nasher168]

Frankly, he deserves every ass pounding he gets

:shock: Christ, I winced when I read that.
You don't think that's a bit of a harsh punishment? Perhaps harking back ever so slightly to the bronze age? Personally, it never fails to shock me that a country like the US still has the death penalty in some states-a cruel, barbaric and utterly backwards punishment by any reasonable standards. Rape, too, is a pretty vicious punishment I think and it's abhorrent that more isn't done in prisons to curb the practice amongst prisoners.

 

[Mafiaaffe]

Yes, because rape is something that civilised people consider to be an adequate punishment for anything.

Nobody ever said that.

BECAUSE YOU ARE PRO-RAPE!
That's why you fail

Because you support a culture that makes sexual assault of a person, regardless of their history, something that is ok and can be blamed on the victim.Because, apparently, the victim asked for it and got what they deserved.
If this exuse works once it works a hundred times.

Well, you support a culture that locks up people in small rooms with no windows for years, regardless of their history, something that....

This person brutally murdered a 70 year old man, he is definitely not an innocent victim. And I think that getting a d*** up his ass for killing a gay because of his sexual orientation is hell of ironic.

Perhaps harking back ever so slightly to the bronze age?

I wonder how many gay historians we would know about today, If rape was the official punishment for killing a person because of his sexual orientation during that time.

 

[aeritano]

Yes, because rape is something that civilised people consider to be an adequate punishment for anything.
BECAUSE YOU ARE PRO-RAPE!
That's why you fail.
Because you support a culture that makes sexual assault of a person, regardless of their history, something that is ok and can be blamed on the victim.
Because, apparently, the victim asked for it and got what they deserved.
If this exuse works once it works a hundred times.

first off I want to tell you who you are talking with
I have experienced first hands the horror the religious right has committed on the LGBT
i am a victim of rape, and no one was there to help me
I am a second class citizen in my own country
I have a ruling government body willing to deny me equal protection
I am not free to travel the US out f fear of my life
I am told every day that i am less then human by religious people
I am taunted, insulted and discriminated against daily
I can not work or live in the vast majority of states in the US, because i will not have equal access to housing, wage or work
My life is being controlled by the religious right, and the government, what rights i have and what i can do are controlled by something i cant fight back against.

The murder is no innocent victim.. he confessed to the murder

now this fucker is going to learn how it feels to have someone controlling every aspect of his life, just like the government and religious right does to every member of the LGBT every waking day. His new daddy will make sureto keep him in line, just as he ilk does to us in the supposed "free world"

The religious factions in the US have made it clear that LGBT should be removed from this earth...

Perhaps harking back ever so slightly to the bronze age?

The religious right started this move towards the bronze age with their pointless persecution of LGBT and others.. THEY are the ones making every effort to go back there.. not me... If they want to go back to the bronze age and drag the LGBT there with them just to punish us, ill gladly meet them there.. and i will draw the first blood, and the most blood.

Struggle is the father of all things, and true virtue and retribution lies in bloodshed... They bash and assault LGBT... Im going strike back in words and action that would make the titans tremble in fear.

 

[Laurens]

first off I want to tell you who you are talking with
I have experienced first hands the horror the religious right has committed on the LGBT
i am a victim of rape, and no one was there to help me
I am a second class citizen in my own country
I have a ruling government body willing to deny me equal protection
I am not free to travel the US out f fear of my life
I am told every day that i am less then human by religious people
I am taunted, insulted and discriminated against daily
I can not work or live in the vast majority of states in the US, because i will not have equal access to housing, wage or work
My life is being controlled by the religious right, and the government, what rights i have and what i can do are controlled by something i cant fight back against.

It makes me really angry and upset to read that. There is absolutely no argument whatsoever that can provide a convincing reason why a person's human rights should be restricted because of who they are.

I hope one day to see a world in which all human beings have the fundamental right to love and be intimate with whomever they wish.

 

[Giliell]

Well, you support a culture that locks up people in small rooms with no windows for years, regardless of their history, something that....

Ehm, no, I don't. I support a judicial system that takes various aspects into account as there are:
-punishment
-rehabilitation
-protection

and yes, overall benefit for society.
Putting people into dark holes for years may serve some people's sense of punishment, and protects the public from those people while they're inmates, it turns out people who are now worse than they were before prison at a high cost for society.
No clue whether this man ever gets out of prison again, but repeated rape in shitty conditions will most likely not turn him into a good member of society who understands that what he's done is terribly wrong and that there's nothing wrong with being homosexual.

first off I want to tell you who you are talking with
I have experienced first hands the horror the religious right has committed on the LGBT
i am a victim of rape, and no one was there to help me
I am a second class citizen in my own country
I have a ruling government body willing to deny me equal protection
I am not free to travel the US out f fear of my life
I am told every day that i am less then human by religious people
I am taunted, insulted and discriminated against daily
I can not work or live in the vast majority of states in the US, because i will not have equal access to housing, wage or work
My life is being controlled by the religious right, and the government, what rights i have and what i can do are controlled by something i cant fight back against.

The murder is no innocent victim.. he confessed to the murder

I am truely sorry for what has happened to you. You have my support in the fight for LGBT rights, but your history doesn't make you right on the issue.
You are doing the LGBT movement a disservice, you are doing every victim of rape a disservice, because you differenciate in people who deserve being raped and people who don't deserve being raped. Which just opens the can of worms as to who deserves it and who doesn't and people come up with very different answers.
Civilised societies on the other hand have come up with the answer that nobody deserves being raped.

now this fucker is going to learn how it feels to have someone controlling every aspect of his life, just like the government and religious right does to every member of the LGBT every waking day. His new daddy will make sureto keep him in line, just as he ilk does to us in the supposed "free world"

I'm wondering (and I'm just plaing hypothetical here, there's nothing in the story that indicates this), what would you say if it came out that the victim wasn't a homosexual but a pedophile and the murderer was his victim over many years. Childhood victims of sexual assault are often unable to tell what exactly is wrong, but they know that something IS wrong. What is a traumatized young man was talked up by religious fanatics and now thought that he'd found the answer to the problem and that it wasn't pedophilia but homosexuality, since most fundamental christians still think them to be one and the same thing.
What is likely to be going to happen to him in prison would still be the same...

Perhaps harking back ever so slightly to the bronze age?

The religious right started this move towards the bronze age with their pointless persecution of LGBT and others.. THEY are the ones making every effort to go back there.. not me... If they want to go back to the bronze age and drag the LGBT there with them just to punish us, ill gladly meet them there.. and i will draw the first blood, and the most blood.

Struggle is the father of all things, and true virtue and retribution lies in bloodshed... They bash and assault LGBT... Im going strike back in words and action that would make the titans tremble in fear.

You sound very angry and you sound very sad. You also sound like somebody who needs help.

 

[Cnidarious]

Well that settles it.


America has become the equivolent of the middle east.
It is now the middle west.

 

[Anachronous Rex]

Well that settles it.


America has become the equivolent of the middle east.
It is now the middle west.

As much as I realize that beating up on the US is sort of an Internet sport, if you actually believe this then you suffer from a tragic loss of perspective.

 

[lrkun]

Well that settles it.


America has become the equivolent of the middle east.
It is now the middle west.

Hasty generalization. To qualify as HG, a person generalizes a conclusion based on a single event. Here, you made a conclusion that because a man was stoned to death in the us, in effect, the us is now the middle west.

 

[aeritano]

I am truely sorry for what has happened to you. You have my support in the fight for LGBT rights, but your history doesn't make you right on the issue.
You are doing the LGBT movement a disservice, you are doing every victim of rape a disservice, because you differenciate in people who deserve being raped and people who don't deserve being raped. Which just opens the can of worms as to who deserves it and who doesn't and people come up with very different answers.
Civilised societies on the other hand have come up with the answer that nobody deserves being raped.

To quote Henry David Thoreau "Only the person can know what is right in his eyes, regardless of the laws and morals set forth by man and the creator"

and you are also clinging to this whole "pro-rape" thing.... just because i know whats going to happen in the prison and i get a snicker out of seeing the ilk of my oppressors getting his just deserts makes me pro-rape? its not like im actively engaging or endorsing said rape.. im merely pointing out how things work in our prison system in the US

you sound alot like nuclearnight...

I'm wondering (and I'm just plaing hypothetical here, there's nothing in the story that indicates this), what would you say if it came out that the victim wasn't a homosexual but a pedophile and the murderer was his victim over many years. Childhood victims of sexual assault are often unable to tell what exactly is wrong, but they know that something IS wrong. What is a traumatized young man was talked up by religious fanatics and now thought that he'd found the answer to the problem and that it wasn't pedophilia but homosexuality, since most fundamental christians still think them to be one and the same thing.
What is likely to be going to happen to him in prison would still be the same...

What you dont know... is this... its a more full story on the murder... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42218182
that "victim" you talked about was in fact mentally challenged as well

I consider Hypotheticals as mental masturbation: they do nothing but let the thinker get off or their abilities to manipulate facts. you claim i'm dong a disservice by defending LGBT? because it sounds like you are doing the victim a disservice by your hypothetical. You claim im doing a disservice and you are the one attacking the victim.. not I. Im attacking the perpetrator NOT the victim. For some one who is anti-rape, you sure to use the same tactics and presenting the same hypothetical that rapists use here in the US to get off the hook by claiming "The victim deserved it or had it coming" His fate will be one in th same regardless because thats how America works, so your argument is in fact moot.

so am I doing the disservice.. or you?

You sound very angry and you sound very sad. You also sound like somebody who needs help.

its clearly obvious you know of nothing on how the US internal social politics work. Yes im angry and yes im sad... how would you feel being treated like a dog for your entire life over something you cant control? you know what happens when you force a dog into a corner with his back against the wall? They fight back.

i will not sit idelly by and watch my fellow LGBT suffer... and until you have experienced the same level of persecution and discrimination you WILL NEVER understand that statement.. you will NEVER understand how true it is...

There is a saying used here in America quite often:

You'll never understand a person until you walk a mile in their shoes

Dont you dare judge or question my actions until you have lived a day in my life... and experience the HELL

Well that settles it.


America has become the equivolent of the middle east.
It is now the middle west.

I agree that its a hasty generalization...America is not the middle east, but we are adopting more and more like the middle east ideals in terms of loosing personal rights and liberties... and religion is to blame

 

[aeritano]

ignore this post

 

[australopithecus]

[MOD NOTE]

There's clearly a lot of of strong emotions on both sides here, just a reminder to try and keep it civil.

Thanks.

 

[borrofburi]

and you are also clinging to this whole "pro-rape" thing.... just because i know whats going to happen in the prison and i get a snicker out of seeing the ilk of my oppressors getting his just deserts makes me pro-rape? its not like im actively engaging or endorsing said rape.. im merely pointing out how things work in our prison system in the US

You continually call his impending rape "just" ("getting his just deserts"). That means you believe rape is an acceptable (even good) punishment for his deeds. You approve of the rape of this guy. That's an endorsement of rape...

 

[aeritano]

and you are also clinging to this whole "pro-rape" thing.... just because i know whats going to happen in the prison and i get a snicker out of seeing the ilk of my oppressors getting his just deserts makes me pro-rape? its not like im actively engaging or endorsing said rape.. im merely pointing out how things work in our prison system in the US

You continually call his impending rape "just" ("getting his just deserts"). That means you believe rape is an acceptable (even good) punishment for his deeds. You approve of the rape of this guy. That's an endorsement of rape...

ok, i will succeed to that... I guess I did endorse his rape. bad wording on my part, but considering what i typed.. I wont argue that.

 

[borrofburi]

bad wording on my part

Ok. Well then what would be better wording that actually communicated your meaning? I can understand Mafiaaffe's enjoyment of the irony, which I do find funny myself (that guy clearly did not think things through very well...)... But I can not take pleasure in the pain and trauma of rape being inflicted upon anyone.

EDIT: to attempt to be even more clear:
I enjoy the irony. I like irony. I find it funny. But is only the irony, and not the thought of this asshole being abused, that I enjoy.

 

[aeritano]

bad wording on my part

Ok. Well then what would be better wording that actually communicated your meaning? I can understand Mafiaaffe's enjoyment of the irony, which I do find funny myself (that guy clearly did not think things through very well...)... But I can not take pleasure in the pain and trauma of rape being inflicted upon anyone.

EDIT: to attempt to be even more clear:
I enjoy the irony. I like irony. I find it funny. But is only the irony, and not the thought of this asshole being abused, that I enjoy.

its something that you probably wont and cant understand Borro...
I cant think of the words to describe it correctly without them being twisted around to make it look like im in favor of all rapes, which i am not.
He committed a crime, he is going to a place where this event is commonplace, And i feel good about it.

This being said, i do not endorse or approve or the raping of innocent people: man or women (even though in America, men cant get raped...) i know first hand the hell and trauma that rape can inflict. and wishing that on an innocent is utterly wrong.. but this man is clearly far from innocent and in that sense, and according to the US justice system, when you commit a crime and are convicted justly and fairly (he confessed to it), you loose all claim to innocence. he deserves whatever crap comes his way