Man stoned to death in the US

[Aught3]

Bit of schadenfreude perhaps?

 

[borrofburi]

I cant think of the words to describe it correctly without them being twisted around to make it look like im in favor of all rapes, which i am not.

I get that. I endorse nuclear power power when properly regulated. But there are limits. I just think that nuclear power can be safe (relatively, to, for instance, coal), and that it is extremely useful, especially as a transition into sustainable energy. But there are limits: I am not in favor of all nuclear power. I'm not pleased about chernobyll, I don't want more Fukushima incidents. Yet I can be in favor of nuclear power without being in favor of those things.

He committed a crime, he is going to a place where this event is commonplace, And i feel good about it.

So it's the "punishment" idea of "justice" for you? I don't see the value in that.

The way I see it, crime is bad (for reasons I won't and shouldn't have to go into), and thus criminals are undesirable. So we codify consequences of those crime, and create a justice system. The purpose of the justice system is to minimize crime (while minimizing the ills caused by the system itself)***. So we have punishments that act as deterrents, we have reformation systems that help offenders to not do it again (of their own volition), and we have prisons that prevent offenders from doing it again (against their own volition).

But no where in that is inflicting pain and trauma upon criminals because it's the morally correct thing to do. The only thing that comes close is "deterrents", but those aren't effective after a certain point (namely prison is the best deterrent one can hope for). Anything beyond the above is simply vengeance; it's inflicting pain and suffering upon others because it makes you feel good, which is no better than the worst of criminals...


***for example, a justice system that amputated limbs for stealing snickers bars may be most effective at minimizing petty larceny, but it's causing more ills than theft of snickers bars...

 

[Giliell]

you sound alot like nuclearnight...

Funny, I thought the same thing about you...

I consider Hypotheticals as mental masturbation: they do nothing but let the thinker get off or their abilities to manipulate facts. you claim i'm dong a disservice by defending LGBT? because it sounds like you are doing the victim a disservice by your hypothetical. You claim im doing a disservice and you are the one attacking the victim.. not I. Im attacking the perpetrator NOT the victim. For some one who is anti-rape, you sure to use the same tactics and presenting the same hypothetical that rapists use here in the US to get off the hook by claiming "The victim deserved it or had it coming" His fate will be one in th same regardless because thats how America works, so your argument is in fact moot.

so am I doing the disservice.. or you?

WTF?
Seriously, I never claimed the man murdered had any guilt. I only brought uo a scenario in which the killer is the former victim of child abuse. Fact remeins that those people are raped in prison just the same. People who broke into a convenience store face the same fate.

its clearly obvious you know of nothing on how the US internal social politics work. Yes im angry and yes im sad... how would you feel being treated like a dog for your entire life over something you cant control? you know what happens when you force a dog into a corner with his back against the wall? They fight back.

No, I'm neither US American, nor LGBT. And I don't think that you are a dog.
Still, you don't know about me. I've been through a lot of shit myself, I do know how it feels if you don't dare to leave your house, but that doesn't make me right about something. This isn't a pissing contest.

This being said, i do not endorse or approve or the raping of innocent people: man or women (even though in America, men cant get raped...) i know first hand the hell and trauma that rape can inflict. and wishing that on an innocent is utterly wrong.. but this man is clearly far from innocent and in that sense, and according to the US justice system, when you commit a crime and are convicted justly and fairly (he confessed to it), you loose all claim to innocence. he deserves whatever crap comes his way

So again, only innocent people don't deserve rape, people guilty by a very personal standard of guilt (since nobody can understand you) deserve rape.
I'm not saying the criminal in this case isn't guilty by a pretty objective standard, but still that doesn't justify rape or mean he deserves it.