League of Treason

[UNFFwildcard]

That's the point there is no 'on the behalf of the LoR'. This is just a forum we turn up and post in, aside from that fact there is no collective, AW cannot do anything on our behalf because we are not a collective entity, we're just a bunch of people posting on a forum. We may agree on some things, we disagree on others. We can't be spoken for as a whole.

You would like to think that there is no 'behalf of the LoR'. But it's not what you think, but what others think.

How others perceive things only matters to those people. We can't or shouldn't be held hostage to every fallacious conclusion that people dream up. I just watched your video, and I tend to agree that DMD was a such a victory, mostly because for every person like myself who entered into the day with non-offensive images on Mohammed, there were 100 trolls seriously trying to cause shit. And I can see how TF's videos would be seen as very antagonistic, but the fact remains people on this forum called him on it, and if anyone wants to criticise us for something he did while ignoring our criticisms then they're the ones at fault, not us.

No, we shouldn't be held hostage to every fallacious conclusion that people dream up. But we should at least try to take healthy precautions and adjust our behaviour according to what we predict will get the desired results with the least amount of trouble.

If LoR show is not actually a LoR product (as I disputed in the above post), then AW needs to emphasize that clearly. And it must also be emphasized clearly that the opinions of the LoR show guests are exclusively those of the guests.

Why? So people with more teeth than brain cells don't leap to false conclusions? AW shouldn't need to spell everything out in 6ft high neon letters just so people 'get it'.

Yes, that's exactly why AW should do it. If AW did it, this subject probably wouldn't have garnered 12 pages worth of arguments.

 

[UNFFwildcard]

Really? So Youtube favorites and ranks highprofile users higher than other people? What a shock, I was lucky I was sitting down, else I might have hurt my back, in sheer suprise over this revelation.

I did not say that to educate you on the workings of the YouTube search engine. I said that so you may easily verify my quotation and find which video it came from. I take it that you have watched it, and therefore my comment did exactly what it was supposed to do.

 

[australopithecus]

You would like to think that there is no 'behalf of the LoR'. But it's not what you think, but what others think.

What 'others' think is neither important or relevant. If people want to think we 100% support TF and his ill informed tirade on DMD then they're only serving their own ignorance by jumping to conclusions and wallowing in ignorance, that's their right, not our problem.

No, we shouldn't be held hostage to every fallacious conclusion that people dream up. But we should at least try to take healthy precautions and adjust our behaviour according to what we predict will get the desired results with the least amount of trouble.

There is no trouble. It's the internet, not real life. The only difference is that the internet makes stupid people easer to find one another and be stupid en mass. We, I, you, AW have no obligation to pander to anyone who wants to jump to conclusions based on weak as water connections.

Yes, that's exactly why AW should do it. If AW did it, this subject probably wouldn't have garnered 12 pages worth of arguments.

It garnered 12 pages because the OP and his 'supporters' don't get the fact that criticism outside of youtube is still criticism. And AW doesn't have to do a single thing, people will always jump to conclusions and look to support those conclusins however they can. The best we can do is show them how they're wrong and if that doesn't work then ignore them.

 

[AsheIsTheRaven]

The best we can do is show them how they're wrong and if that doesn't work then ignore them.

Which is a comment I find ironic coming from here of all places

 

[australopithecus]

The best we can do is show them how they're wrong and if that doesn't work then ignore them.

Which is a comment I find ironic coming from here of all places

Why, because you still haven't grasped the tounge-in-cheek usage of the word reason, or because theres another projected or imagined attribute you assume we must aspire to?

You can't force someone not to be wrong. You can show them, how, why and where they went wrong but at the end of the day that's all anyone can do. Making mistakes is a right everyone has. It's not our problem if people would rather wallow in confirmation bias than actual objectivity, and once someone has demonstrated they prefer being wrong than to educating themselves then at that point why should we bother? I personally dont have the time or patience to take everyone who displays faulty logic by the hand and explain things to them, not after I and everyone else has already done it ad naseum.

 

[UNFFwildcard]

You would like to think that there is no 'behalf of the LoR'. But it's not what you think, but what others think.

What 'others' think is neither important or relevant. If people want to think we 100% support TF and his ill informed tirade on DMD then they're only serving their own ignorance by jumping to conclusions and wallowing in ignorance, that's their right, not our problem.

No, we shouldn't be held hostage to every fallacious conclusion that people dream up. But we should at least try to take healthy precautions and adjust our behaviour according to what we predict will get the desired results with the least amount of trouble.

There is no trouble. It's the internet, not real life. The only difference is that the internet makes stupid people easer to find one another and be stupid en mass. We, I, you, AW have no obligation to pander to anyone who wants to jump to conclusions based on weak as water connections.

Yes, that's exactly why AW should do it. If AW did it, this subject probably wouldn't have garnered 12 pages worth of arguments.

It garnered 12 pages because the OP and his 'supporters' don't get the fact that criticism outside of youtube is still criticism. And AW doesn't have to do a single thing, people will always jump to conclusions and look to support those conclusins however they can. The best we can do is show them how they're wrong and if that doesn't work then ignore them.

If you think what others think is inconsequential and that it is not necessary to make any such precautions or predictions, then that's your perogative. But just don't start feeling contemptuous of others simply because they're not getting something that you feel should be obvious.

 

[australopithecus]

If you think what others think is inconsequential and that it is not necessary to make any such precautions or predictions, then that's your perogative. But just don't start feeling contemptuous of others simply because they're not getting something that you feel should be obvious.

Contemptuous is a strong word. Annoyed would be more apt, however with regards to the OP and the others in this thread supporting him, they have been told yet they're continuing to assert the same things. They should have gotten it by now, obvious or not, because they've been directly told.

 

[borrofburi]

So UNFF, what would you have us do? What, precisely, are our failings?

 

[Ilikemustard]

Why is everyone here so critical of Pat Condell and Thunderf00t's views on Islam? I commend them, Islam needs to be eradicated.

 

[Prolescum]

Why is everyone here so critical of Pat Condell and Thunderf00t's views on Islam? I commend them, Islam needs to be eradicated.

Because one is a bigot given prominence due to being already known as a comedian of sorts and whose obvious inability to check his facts is ignored by his sycophants because he's an atheist and therefore 'one of us', and one is respected after having built an archive of material debunking idiocy and championing science. It's very simple if you, you know, read what people say and why they say it.

As for eradicating Islam, good luck. Not into genocide (unless you have an alternative for 'eradicating' a billion people) myself, but you go ahead.

 

[australopithecus]

Why is everyone here so critical of Pat Condell and Thunderf00t's views on Islam? I commend them, Islam needs to be eradicated.

Because Condell is a knee jerk reactionary tool who seemingly lacks the ability to distinguish between Islam, Muslims and fundementalist Muslims. He likes to dress up his bullshit in the guise of logic and rationality. The sort of person who believes voting for very right wing party based solely on one issue is a sensible thing to do. The sort of person who believes the end justifies the means, and the sort of arsehole who truely believes he's doing right when all he's doing is being a dick.

Because Thunderf00t essentially ruined any reputation he has built up with his creationist debunking by posting very antagonistic and questionable videos making little distinction between fundies and your average Muslim.

And no, Islam does not need to be eradicated, what needs to be eradicated is the soical climate that breeds the sort of fundementalism that makes people fly planes into buildings. Every single Muslim I have ever met has been a credit to their religion, people who have actively spoken out and demonstrated against fundementalists. Genuinely humble, kind and ultimately good people. I dislike Islam as a religion as much as I dislike the other monotheistic religions. DO I want them eradicated? No. Do I want them to be sensible? yes.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Why is everyone here so critical of Pat Condell and Thunderf00t's views on Islam? I commend them, Islam needs to be eradicated.

Just do the following exercise. Replace the word muslim with black people, and let's see how far you agree with them.

 

[SchrodingersFinch]

Just do the following exercise. Replace the word muslim with black people, and let's see how far you agree with them.

I'm not saying that I agree with TF or Condell, but that is not a fair comparison. Islam isn't an ethnic group, it's a religion, a potentially dangerous ideology.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Why is everyone here so critical of Pat Condell and Thunderf00t's views on Islam? I commend them, Islam needs to be eradicated.

Just do the following exercise. Replace the word muslim with black people, and let's see how far you agree with them.

Replace it with "Jews" and it gets your point across better.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Just do the following exercise. Replace the word muslim with black people, and let's see how far you agree with them.

I'm not saying that I agree with TF or Condell, but that is not a fair comparison. Islam isn't an ethnic group, it's a religion, a potentially dangerous ideology.

What, if black people could chose to become white, would that make it ok?

 

[UNFFwildcard]

So UNFF, what would you have us do? What, precisely, are our failings?

Everything I needed to say, I have already said.

 

[UNFFwildcard]

Why is everyone here so critical of Pat Condell and Thunderf00t's views on Islam? I commend them, Islam needs to be eradicated.

Thinking like that resulted in the 20th century. Need we have more of that?

 

[UNFFwildcard]

Why is everyone here so critical of Pat Condell and Thunderf00t's views on Islam? I commend them, Islam needs to be eradicated.

Because Condell is a knee jerk reactionary tool who seemingly lacks the ability to distinguish between Islam, Muslims and fundementalist Muslims. He likes to dress up his bullshit in the guise of logic and rationality. The sort of person who believes voting for very right wing party based solely on one issue is a sensible thing to do. The sort of person who believes the end justifies the means, and the sort of arsehole who truely believes he's doing right when all he's doing is being a dick.

Because Thunderf00t essentially ruined any reputation he has built up with his creationist debunking by posting very antagonistic and questionable videos making little distinction between fundies and your average Muslim.

And no, Islam does not need to be eradicated, what needs to be eradicated is the soical climate that breeds the sort of fundementalism that makes people fly planes into buildings. Every single Muslim I have ever met has been a credit to their religion, people who have actively spoken out and demonstrated against fundementalists. Genuinely humble, kind and ultimately good people. I dislike Islam as a religion as much as I dislike the other monotheistic religions. DO I want them eradicated? No. Do I want them to be sensible? yes.

What he said.

 

[SchrodingersFinch]

What, if black people could chose to become white, would that make it ok?

Now you are simply moving the goal post, thus refuting your original analogy.

But even if we ignore that, the comparison isn't any better. The color of your skin is a physical charasteristic. Islam is a religion/ideology/world view. Can you spot difference?

 

[borrofburi]

What, if black people could chose to become white, would that make it ok?

Now you are simply moving the goal post, thus refuting your original analogy.

But even if we ignore that, the comparison isn't any better. The color of your skin is a physical charasteristic. Islam is a religion/ideology/world view. Can you spot difference?

I think you're confusing people by saying you'd rather the ideology itself be gone, and people are thinking "the people who subscribe to the ideology". Similar sentiments: "christianity needs to be eradicated" "alt medicine needs to be eradicated" "woo needs to be eradicated".