AdmiralPeacock
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Squawk said:Are the Chinese "natural" atheists, or would it still be considered somewhat forced over there?
Natural atheists for the most part - that isn't to say they're nonreligious.
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Squawk said:Are the Chinese "natural" atheists, or would it still be considered somewhat forced over there?
Inferno said:I would be glad if it were forgotten, but the sad reality is that it isn't. I'm actually watching (with fear in my heart) the rise of creationism in almost all of Europe. This isn't to say that we'll all be creationists tomorrow, of course not. But there is a real threat to the mental sanity of our children. Yeah, that's the teacher in me shining through.
AdmiralPeacock said:Squawk said:Are the Chinese "natural" atheists, or would it still be considered somewhat forced over there?
Natural atheists for the most part - that isn't to say they're nonreligious.
Squawk said:Are the Chinese "natural" atheists, or would it still be considered somewhat forced over there?
Some missionary visited our school. He is working at some project in China.Squawk said:Are the Chinese "natural" atheists, or would it still be considered somewhat forced over there?
wolfrayet said:AdmiralPeacock said:[
Natural atheists for the most part - that isn't to say they're nonreligious.
Apparently there are 65million Muslims in China - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_China
"a growing number of students have gone overseas to continue their studies at international Islamic universities in Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, and Malaysia.[2] Qīngzhēn (清真) is the Chinese term for certain Islamic institutions. Its literal meaning is "pure truth."
Nice
AdmiralPeacock said:So? They have a population over 1.3 billion people - 65 million is nothing.
sgrunterundt said:AdmiralPeacock said:So? They have a population over 1.3 billion people - 65 million is nothing.
5%, while a minority for sure, is hardly nothing.
televator said:Still a doozey in the US too... What with tax payer backed creationist parks and what not...
Independent Vision said:I didn't know, even when I was still counted as a Christian, that Creationism even really existed. Growing up in Sweden religious people of any kind has always been a minority for me to meet. And even the Muslims I have encountered, while practicing, have been very, very liberal. One of my best friends in high school was a Muslim. We used to affectionately refer to her as the "naughty, naughty Muslim" on account of her slowly abandoning the "no drinking" and "no sex before marriage" rules gradually during the course of high school.
I have never had any really close friends that were Christians, thought. And I've never known any Creationists until I came over to Australia. They're few and far between in Sweden. At least where I come from.
I don't understand Creationists. Well, in one sense I do. It's easy to just take someone's word for it and close your mind to everything else. Most people just take what their pastors and priests say as gospel, and some of them don't even read the bible themselves, it seems. They might own several bibles, but rarely read them.
But the notion that otherwise fairly rational people believe in it without question is terrifying.
I've met people who are completely rational when it comes to global warming, environmental problems... all kinds of shit, but reason goes out the window when it comes to things like evolution.
I suspect it has more to do with the fact that if you can imagine that there is another person you can put blame on and give credit for things that happens in your life. "God was only testing me." "It was Gods will." Blah blah... it makes it easier for some individuals to deal with what has happened to them in their lives.
I think many people turn to religion instead of therapy to hide their issues away and ignore them, because it's so much easier than to spend a lot of time working on the issues and dragging them out into the open.
Creationism goes hand in hand with that. I believe people use it as an escape from reality. And the harder times get, the more people want to escape reality.
I think it's being forgotten by more rational people because they don't like to think about the idiocy. But it's still there. And things are getting more and more to the point where you have the atheist community growing and the fundie community growing. There isn't really any in-between place to hide anymore. Either you accept things as they are, revel in that and try to make the best out of things, or you stick your head so far into the sand you possibly can and stay there. But that's just the way I see it.
AdmiralPeacock said:Heh, my parents are douches in that regard aren't they.
FiverBeyond said:What is this "creationism" of which you speak?
lrkun said:FiverBeyond said:What is this "creationism" of which you speak?
Creationism <-- wikipedia will give you a general overview. In simple terms, it means the literal belief that the story of creation is true.
Inferno said:I think that FB is yanking your chain and that he knows exactly what creationism is all about, after all he watched the Dembski vs Hitchens debate and Aron's thoughts on it.
It seems to me that his message is that he already forgot what it is.
FiverBeyond said:What is this "creationism" of which you speak?
No. As long as there is suffering in this world, there will be people who'll believe in god or his quick fix or his prophets. Therefore creationism will not be forgotten for now.