Hell Fire For Eternity!! Theists please answer.

[Inferno]

I do believe in an eternal hell for those who reject what Jesus did for them.

1) I've been a very decent person all my life, but I reject Jesus so I go to hell.

2) A mass murderer killed twenty people but accepts Jesus in his heart so he goes to heaven.

Fair? I think not. Logical? I think not.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

I do believe in an eternal hell for those who reject what Jesus did for them.

1) I've been a very decent person all my life, but I reject Jesus so I go to hell.

2) A mass murderer killed twenty people but accepts Jesus in his heart so he goes to heaven.

Fair? I think not. Logical? I think not.

Let God do the judging.For if we go by atheism there is no justice at all,so you really have no point.How can you be worried about criminals going to heaven when they get away with it with atheism?Sin is not that big of a deal to you but it cannot be in God's presence.I let God do the judging it is easier that way,nobody is going without Jesus as he paid for our salvation in full but religion gets in the way.Nobody can go to heaven by good deeds or by following laws,it is only through our faith in Jesus that we are justified.You do not know who would believe in Jesus if they heard about him,God does.

Every step to take.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_QXOSVwYarE

 

[Visaki]

Let God do the judging.For if we go by atheism there is no justice at all,so you really have no point.How can you be worried about criminals going to heaven when they get away with it with atheism?Sin is not that big of a deal to you but it cannot be in God's presence.I let God do the judging it is easier that way,nobody is going without Jesus as he paid for our salvation in full but religion gets in the way.Nobody can go to heaven by good deeds or by following laws,it is only through our faith in Jesus that we are justified.You do not know who would believe in Jesus if they heard about him,God does.

Every step to take.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_QXOSVwYarE

Why would I leave justice and judging to an inferior moral (not to mention nonexistant) being like your God? There is no justice with your God and you even admit it, though you don't seem to notice it. What you are is basicly lazy; you don't want think about the hard consepts of justice and morality so you just leave everything to your God becausae it's easier to you.

P.S. There is no sin.

 

[Inferno]

if we go by atheism there is no justice at all

Correct. Atheism is a statement about the existence of God or Gods, not a moral philosophy. That's why many atheists usually describe themselves as "Humanist Atheists" or using some other philosophy.

If you substitute your sentence accordingly "If we go by humanism there is no justice at all" then you're once again wrong.

How can you be worried about criminals going to heaven when they get away with it with atheism?

See above. You conflate atheism (There is no evidence a God exists) with a moral philosophy (Here's how you should live your life).

Sin is not that big of a deal to you but it cannot be in God's presence.

That's blatantly wrong. You have your seven deadly sins, I think those "sins" are very healthy aspects of human nature. I have different sins. Among them are:
1) It is a sin to harm a child. It is a double sin to harm a child that is in your care. It is a tripe sin to harm a disabled child.
2) It is a sin to sit on wealth and do nothing for your fellow human beings.
3) It is a sin to deny people access to medication simply because you believe there are religious objections to them.
4) It is a sin to destroy knowledge.

And so on. What I consider a sin is actually destructive and practised by most religions today, what you consider a sin is merely human nature.

I let God do the judging it is easier that way

Of course it's easier, because you don't have to think and reflect. Back in the real world I am accountable for my actions, so I have to think about the consequences of my actions.

Nobody can go to heaven by good deeds or by following laws,it is only through our faith in Jesus that we are justified.

So my statement about me vs a mass murderer was true? This is some of the most evil, vile bullshit I have heard.

 

[Visaki]

if we go by atheism there is no justice at all

Correct. Atheism is a statement about the existence of God or Gods, not a moral philosophy. That's why many atheists usually describe themselves as "Humanist Atheists" or using some other philosophy.

If you substitute your sentence accordingly "If we go by humanism there is no justice at all" then you're once again wrong.

Just a thought; if we go by theism there is no justice at all. Theism is a statement about the existance of god or gods not a moral philosophy. That's why many theists usually describe themselves as "catholic", "protestant", "calvinist", "sunni", "shia", "hindu" or "odinist" or using some other religious philosophy.

 

[Inferno]

Just a thought; if we go by theism there is no justice at all. Theism is a statement about the existance of god or gods not a moral philosophy. That's why many theists usually describe themselves as "catholic", "protestant", "calvinist", "sunni", "shia", "hindu" or "odinist" or using some other religious philosophy.

True.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

It is important to know that God did not create hell for people,he created hell for the devil and his angels,it has always been God's will to save man from hell,but if you by free-will reject a loving God? Then God will not make you believe in him,it would not be true love if he did.

You know how bad rejection hurts you as a person,you hate to be rejected and you want people to choose to like you and God is the same way,it breaks his heart for you to reject him,he cries about it,but he will not force you.

The question should not be why would a loving God send people to hell? But Why would any man or woman reject loving God? Those who go to hell go to hell by there own freewill,it is not God's will at all that you go to hell but if you reject him,he is going to reject you on judgement day.No question about it Jesus said there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

John 3:16 For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever shall believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

So do not blame God or try to make God out to be hateful or unloving because it is you that have the hate and are unloving,not God.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Let God do the judging.For if we go by atheism there is no justice at all,so you really have no point.How can you be worried about criminals going to heaven when they get away with it with atheism?Sin is not that big of a deal to you but it cannot be in God's presence.I let God do the judging it is easier that way,nobody is going without Jesus as he paid for our salvation in full but religion gets in the way.Nobody can go to heaven by good deeds or by following laws,it is only through our faith in Jesus that we are justified.You do not know who would believe in Jesus if they heard about him,God does.

Every step to take.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_QXOSVwYarE

Why would I leave justice and judging to an inferior moral (not to mention nonexistant) being like your God? There is no justice with your God and you even admit it, though you don't seem to notice it. What you are is basicly lazy; you don't want think about the hard consepts of justice and morality so you just leave everything to your God becausae it's easier to you.

P.S. There is no sin.

Sorry but trying persuade people to believe is the wrong approach.I've told you the truth but I can not make you accept it,you are going by your own opinions and one must be willing to repent,this means change your mind and opinions to line up with what God's word says,if you are not willing to do this? Then I will not try to persuade you to,that is the wrong approach.I hope this helps.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

="Visaki"]

if we go by atheism there is no justice at all

Correct. Atheism is a statement about the existence of God or Gods, not a moral philosophy. That's why many atheists usually describe themselves as "Humanist Atheists" or using some other philosophy.

If you substitute your sentence accordingly "If we go by humanism there is no justice at all" then you're once again wrong.

Just a thought; if we go by theism there is no justice at all. Theism is a statement about the existance of god or gods not a moral philosophy. That's why many theists usually describe themselves as "catholic", "protestant", "calvinist", "sunni", "shia", "hindu" or "odinist" or using some other religious philosophy.

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No there will be justice on judgment day to me this is one of many reasons to believe in God.Yes,there are different denominations but that is not real important in the grand scheme of things because which denomination somebody chooses does not make them a Christian or right with God,only those who have been saved and born again by God's spirit will make it to heaven.There are also false religions and false doctrines that we need to be aware of but none of this should effect our relationship with Jesus.

I have never let hypocrites effect my relationship with him,but many do.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Jesus made it easy to be saved,those of you who reject him don't seem to understand that being saved by Jesus is totally different than being in a religion as a matter of fact I actually hate religion,because it tries to get people to work their way to heaven totally ruining God's grace.I put my faith in Jesus and I hope my fruit bears out good deeds but my salvation is not based on my performance at all and religion misses this because it based on a person's performance.

You see once a person is saved by Jesus they are changed on the inside to serve God,while religion teaches people to change yourself to be right with God and all false religions and false doctrines teach this and people miss out on God's amazing grace.Christianity is unique compared to all other religions and this to me makes it the true one because Jesus said the way to heaven is very narrow and few there be that find it. And this is because of religion.

 

[Inferno]

It is important to know that God did not create hell for people,he created hell for the devil and his angels,it has always been God's will to save man from hell,but if you by free-will reject a loving God? Then God will not make you believe in him,it would not be true love if he did.

Say the same thing about a human and you would be labelled an evil person, say it about a God and you're a holy man. This is utter bullshit. It is evil, it is vile. If this is the modus operandi of your God then guess what, he's a hating douchebag and I have no reason to believe in him, even less reason to love him. Fuck your God, royally.

The question should not be why would a loving God send people to hell? But Why would any man or woman reject loving God?

A "loving" God, yeah. A fucking asshole of a God who will punish you if you don't prostrate yourself before him. Fuck that shit. I'm a free human being and I won't cower to a bully like your non-existent God. The God of the Bible is arguably the most horrible, vile, loathsome, evil, hate-filled, mean-spirited, angry, petty and miserable being ever to be dreamt up by humans. Or as Richard Dawkins put it:

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Those who go to hell go to hell by there own freewill

[sarcasm]Yeah, just like the Jews went into the gas chambers of their own free will. All they had to do was leave the country and guess what, they didn't. I guess they were asking for it.[/sarcasm]

Ablecainsbrother, you are just as disgusting a being as your god. You repulse me.

John 3:16 For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever shall believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

What a load of bullshit. First, it's himself, not his son. Second, it wasn't all that big a sacrifice, was it? After all, Jesus only had to activate his cheat code and *wehey presto* he was his same semi-alive self again. This is so obviously dreamt up, it's difficult how people can believe it.

No there will be justice on judgment day to me this is one of many reasons to believe in God.Yes,there are different denominations but that is not real important in the grand scheme of things because which denomination somebody chooses does not make them a Christian or right with God,only those who have been saved and born again by God's spirit will make it to heaven.There are also false religions and false doctrines that we need to be aware of but none of this should effect our relationship with Jesus.

If I accept the teachings of the Catholic Church, then every good person will go to heaven. This seems like a much more reasonable form for a loving God.
Your concept however (having to accept Jesus in your heart) is nothing but a vile, disgusting and hateful fantasy.

 

[Deleted member 619]

Second, it wasn't all that big a sacrifice, was it? After all, Jesus only had to activate his cheat code and *wehey presto* he was his same semi-alive self again.

Yeah, that's quite a sacrifice. Death, sent to Hell for 3 days and then after that you get resurrected and you get to be the Supreme being for all eternity. That's not a sacrifice, that's giving up a long weekend.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

It is important to know that God did not create hell for people,he created hell for the devil and his angels,it has always been God's will to save man from hell,but if you by free-will reject a loving God? Then God will not make you believe in him,it would not be true love if he did.

Say the same thing about a human and you would be labelled an evil person, say it about a God and you're a holy man. This is utter bullshit. It is evil, it is vile. If this is the modus operandi of your God then guess what, he's a hating douchebag and I have no reason to believe in him, even less reason to love him. Fuck your God, royally.

The question should not be why would a loving God send people to hell? But Why would any man or woman reject loving God?

A "loving" God, yeah. A fucking asshole of a God who will punish you if you don't prostrate yourself before him. Fuck that shit. I'm a free human being and I won't cower to a bully like your non-existent God. The God of the Bible is arguably the most horrible, vile, loathsome, evil, hate-filled, mean-spirited, angry, petty and miserable being ever to be dreamt up by humans. Or as Richard Dawkins put it:

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Those who go to hell go to hell by there own freewill

[sarcasm]Yeah, just like the Jews went into the gas chambers of their own free will. All they had to do was leave the country and guess what, they didn't. I guess they were asking for it.[/sarcasm]

Ablecainsbrother, you are just as disgusting a being as your god. You repulse me.

John 3:16 For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever shall believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

What a load of bullshit. First, it's himself, not his son. Second, it wasn't all that big a sacrifice, was it? After all, Jesus only had to activate his cheat code and *wehey presto* he was his same semi-alive self again. This is so obviously dreamt up, it's difficult how people can believe it.

No there will be justice on judgment day to me this is one of many reasons to believe in God.Yes,there are different denominations but that is not real important in the grand scheme of things because which denomination somebody chooses does not make them a Christian or right with God,only those who have been saved and born again by God's spirit will make it to heaven.There are also false religions and false doctrines that we need to be aware of but none of this should effect our relationship with Jesus.

If I accept the teachings of the Catholic Church, then every good person will go to heaven. This seems like a much more reasonable form for a loving God.
Your concept however (having to accept Jesus in your heart) is nothing but a vile, disgusting and hateful fantasy.

I can tell that you don't know God but you can blaspheme him if you choose to.I'm not going to try to change your mind.You have a warped view of God and have your mind made up and will not change your mind. God is a blood covenant God and always has been throughout the bible and without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins,don't like it? Then you'll die in your sins when they could have been washed away by the blood of Jesus,it is good news Jesus came,not bad news like you think.I'm going to heaven because of Jesus and what he did for me.

I'm not going to hell fire my name is written in the Lamb's book of life.Jesus was the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world and his blood saves those who believe.Don't believe? Then I cannot and will not try to change your mind.It's going to be awesome as man makes more discoveries to see how it just confirms more of God's word true confounding the wise.I look forward to it.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

One of us indeed.
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=O0cToEoUr3A

 

[Bango Skank]

The concept of "hell" occurs in the NT onwards - the word itself, as this article shows, first appeared in 725AD.

Greek influence does not mean that the early Church - in particular, the Western tradition - did not adopt/adapt a similar concept to its own ends.

Kindest regards,

James

We shouldn't just look at the bible canon on this and i don't think the word "Hell" itself matters much, it's just another word for same or similar place. In NT original greek, at least in some parts, word "Hades" and "Tartarus" is used, which are later translated simply to "Hell".

As i pointed out, rich man and lasarus in NT is just a little modified version of what some jews already believed in, as non-canonical (that predate NT) texts shows.

As for Greek influence, i find the parallels too striking and the fact that texts containing these are produced in time period when hellenism influenced jews.

 

[australopithecus]

You know how bad rejection hurts you as a person,you hate to be rejected and you want people to choose to like you and God is the same way,it breaks his heart for you to reject him,he cries about it,but he will not force you.

As someone who isn't 6, I am able to deal with rejection like an adult. That being, not punishing someone for rejecting me (not that rejection is an issue for me, I'd rather most people leave me the fuck alone). Even if I had the capacity to punish someone for rejecting me (for whatever reason), let alone eternal punishment, I wouldn't do it. I'm not a psychopath so torturing people for a non-crime isn't something I actively contemplate, nor would want to actually do. Are you fucking serious? Get out. Seriously. Dishonest, ridiculous little troll.

 

[prycejosh]

you have to remember that god didnt reject you you rejected him on chance why should he then accept you. even if he did he couldnt trust you. you choose to follow the devil and you really like him and his way so join him. simple as that.

 

[ldmitruk]

you have to remember that god didnt reject you you rejected him on chance why should he then accept you. even if he did he couldnt trust you. you choose to follow the devil and you really like him and his way so join him. simple as that.

Most of us here didn't reject god(s) on chance. We reject god(s) because of lack of evidence. You're an atheist also, but we reject one more god than you.

 

[Bango Skank]

you have to remember that god didnt reject you you rejected him on chance why should he then accept you. even if he did he couldnt trust you. you choose to follow the devil and you really like him and his way so join him. simple as that.

Nope, since the options haven't been presented, i cannot choose or reject. Simple as that.

 

[Steelmage99]

you have to remember that god didnt reject you you rejected him on chance why should he then accept you. even if he did he couldnt trust you. you choose to follow the devil and you really like him and his way so join him. simple as that.

We don't follow the Devil. We don't believe he exists either.