Hell Fire For Eternity!! Theists please answer.

[Deleted member 619]

We can really only go on how heaven is described in the bible

Yet another indicator that this Troobleever[sup]TM[/sup] hasn't actually read the bible, because it isn't described in the Hokey Blurble at all. The nearest we get is the reference in John to 'many mansions'.

Once again, the atheist knows the holy book of the apologist better than the apologist does.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

We can really only go on how heaven is described in the bible

Yet another indicator that this Troobleever[sup]TM[/sup] hasn't actually read the bible, because it isn't described in the Hokey Blurble at all. The nearest we get is the reference in John to 'many mansions'.

Once again, the atheist knows the holy book of the apologist better than the apologist does.

You expect me to believe that? I actually read the bible.

 

[Deleted member 619]

I don't expect you to believe anything other than your own alleged superiority. The fact remains...

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Did you overlook the book of Revelation chapters 21 and 22? Also most bibles have a concordance in the back of them and you can look up the word heaven and it will give many verses you can read.

 

[surreptitious57]

But what about Jews and Muslims ? They also believe in the Abrahamic God so presumably will have their reward
in heaven too. But it is not a condition of Judaism to believe in heaven as such and many as a consequence do not
And Muslims believe that it is the Koran that is the true word of God. So how do you reconcile these inconsistencies

 

[Deleted member 619]

Did you overlook the book of Revelation chapters 21 and 22? Also most bibles have a concordance in the back of them and you can look up the word heaven and it will give many verses you can read.

Yes, I read that (I've read your entire book of bollocks several times, and indeed I own six different editions myself). Plenty of mentions of heaven, but no actual descriptions anywhere. It mostly talks about what hell is like, gleefully engaging in schadenfreude regarding the souls of the damned.

I know your book better than you do. Trust me.

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

Hell was invented by the Catholic Church to control the masses.

You could also read The Origin Of Satan by Pagels.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[tuxbox]

Greetings,

Hell was invented by the Catholic Church to control the masses.

You could also read The Origin Of Satan by Pagels.

Kindest regards,

James

Thanks Dragan Glas. That book is now on my wish list.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Hell is a real place that those who die in their sins choose to go to.God has made a way for you to be forgiven and saved from hell fire through Jesus Christ but you are using your free will to go to hell.Hell is not a scare tactic but is reality and those who go there will be there for eternity and how long do you think you'll live?Well it is but a speck of time compared to eternity.You see I'm no better than you but I have Jesus and he already suffered for me so that I won't have to and that makes the difference.You do not have to go to hell and Jesus made it too easy to be saved and forgiven.Don't go to hell my atheist friends.

Fly away from hell.
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=B76oCk96q6o

 

[abelcainsbrother]

But what about Jews and Muslims ? They also believe in the Abrahamic God so presumably will have their reward
in heaven too. But it is not a condition of Judaism to believe in heaven as such and many as a consequence do not
And Muslims believe that it is the Koran that is the true word of God. So how do you reconcile these inconsistencies

Islam is a false religion and because most Jews reject Jesus they die in their sins.The Jews rejected their messiah Jesus but the bible teaches that in the future they will accept Jesus as their messiah and be saved but until then they die in their sins just like anybody else who rejects Jesus. You see we can no longer earn salvation based on works and yet all false religions teach you can,but if a person dies in their sins? No amount of good works they did can change it,even people who call themselves Christians and go to church will die in their sins if they reject salvation through Jesus Christ and he is the only God that suffered far more than we do and rose from the dead.Jesus knows what its like to suffer in this world and he can relate to it and understand which is why he takes up for us to God.

 

[SpecialFrog]

Abel, as an evidence-based person, what non-Biblical evidence is there for anything you just said?

 

[Bango Skank]

Hell was invented by the Catholic Church to control the masses.

That is simply not true. Concept of hell came from greek influence during intertestamental period. Check out the parallels from story of rich man and Lazarus (and other examples mentioned in the link): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosom_of_Abraham

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

Hell was invented by the Catholic Church to control the masses.

That is simply not true. Concept of hell came from greek influence during intertestamental period. Check out the parallels from story of rich man and Lazarus (and other examples mentioned in the link): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosom_of_Abraham

The concept of "hell" occurs in the NT onwards - the word itself, as this article shows, first appeared in 725AD.

Greek influence does not mean that the early Church - in particular, the Western tradition - did not adopt/adapt a similar concept to its own ends.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Abel, as an evidence-based person, what non-Biblical evidence is there for anything you just said?

I don't know why you think it has to be non-biblical evidence.I mean that would like me taking away all of that peer reviewed science and saying prove science is true.You either believe the bible is the inspired word of God or you don't and most atheists don't they think it is a made up book of myths and treat it as such.But the bible seems to indicate that hell is in the earth and tell me what is in the earth- heat so to say there is no evidence for hell is just to ignore what's in the earth.

Evidence for Jesus suffering? The shroud of Turin.Oh and before you just reject the shroud as evidence you need to have a good understanding of the real evidence about it and not just believe the critics.Like with me,I reject evolution for scientific reasons,I do not just reject it because I believe the critics,I've actually took the time to examine the evidence used for evolution and this is why I reject evolution.

You can Google shroud University and see the image on the shroud.Most news stories and TV shows I see about the shroud,do not tell the whole story and do not present all of the evidence that shows what it takes to produce the image on a shroud,they go by what the critics say most always.

 

[Mugnuts]

Abel, as an evidence-based person, what non-Biblical evidence is there for anything you just said?

I don't know why you think it has to be non-biblical evidence.I mean that would like me taking away all of that peer reviewed science and saying prove science is true.You either believe the bible is the inspired word of God or you don't and most atheists don't they think it is a made up book of myths and treat it as such.But the bible seems to indicate that hell is in the earth and tell me what is in the earth- heat so to say there is no evidence for hell is just to ignore what's in the earth.

LMAO....I nearly didn't make it away from that one

 

[ldmitruk]

Abel, as an evidence-based person, what non-Biblical evidence is there for anything you just said?

I don't know why you think it has to be non-biblical evidence.I mean that would like me taking away all of that peer reviewed science and saying prove science is true.You either believe the bible is the inspired word of God or you don't and most atheists don't they think it is a made up book of myths and treat it as such.But the bible seems to indicate that hell is in the earth and tell me what is in the earth- heat so to say there is no evidence for hell is just to ignore what's in the earth.

LMAO....I nearly didn't make it away from that one

In a way given what we know about the interior of the earth, this is about as close to the truth ABC has ever gotten. It is hellishly hot at 6000 C, as this article from Natures World News states. Come to think of it might there be a connection between the temperature of Earth's core and it's age according to YEC's. :lol:

 

[Deleted member 619]

Oh and before you just reject the shroud as evidence you need to have a good understanding of the real evidence about it

Been there, done that. It's a mediaeval fake.

I've actually took [sic] the time to examine the evidence used for evolution and this is why I reject evolution.

No you haven't. You're lying.

You can Google shroud University and see the image on the shroud.

I've seen it all, and all the evidence, including the radiometric dating showing it to be no older than 12th century, the Mercator problem (bet you don't even know what that is), the similarity in style to mediaeval monumental brasses (did I mention I've studied mediaeval history with a focus on ecclesiastical history?). It's a mediaeval fake.

 

[surreptitious57]

abelcainsbrother : your new signature is interesting to say the least
The conflation of ancient mythology with modern cosmology no less
So do you really think that Isaiah was talking about dark matter there

 

[abelcainsbrother]

abelcainsbrother : your new signature is interesting to say the least
The conflation of ancient mythology with modern cosmology no less
So do you really think that Isaiah was talking about dark matter there

I believe when we have the right interpretation nature will bear out God's word and dark matter is just one of many things man has discovered about God's creation.I think the bible and what nature reveals will not contradict each other and if it does? We might need to question our interpretation.I think the bible is revealed true over time and God is confounding the wise because they are not looking at it from a biblical POV and so interpret the discoveries differently.Dark matter is just one of many things man has discovered that was in the bible the whole time.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Getting back to an eternal hell.I do believe in an eternal hell for those who reject what Jesus did for them.I know certain Christians today water down God's word I think to try to make it easier to accept but the bible teaches about an eternal hell that nobody should take their chances about it.Jesus made salvation too easy for you to reject him and I know about the shroud critics but you can deny it it ,but what if it is the burial cloth of Jesus? To just deny it,is not good,because if it is? You had evidence that you rejected.

Despite the critics they have failed to prove the shroud is a 12 th century medieval art relic simply because they claim it but have not proven it,even if they think it was made in the 12th century,why can't they prove it by producing an image on a shroud like they claim? They have tried to and failed and every attempt you can look and see it is nothing like the image on the shroud,so they have no proof it is an art piece.They just claim it is but they cannot create one like they say happened and they have tried to.

The truth is that to produce an image on the shroud requires powerful equipment that we have today that produces a lot of light and radiation but also the image is not produced immediately as it takes time for the image to appear,this is what the scientific evidence shows.

The critics reject this evidence or never bring it up because it destroys their 12th century art relic theory.The evidence shows that only Jesus Christ himself produced a photograph of his crucifixion for us as he rose from the dead.