Hell Fire For Eternity!! Theists please answer.

[tuxbox]

Torture for eternity!

Revelation 19:20

But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.[/color]

Revelation 21:8

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:13-14

The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

Matthew 13:42

They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 13:50

and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41

Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Mark 9:43

If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

Jude 1:7

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

These are the verses that I could find on a fiery torment for people like me. These passages make zero sense. If the soul is immaterial, how is it possible for it to one, have teeth to gnash, and two, burn in a lake of fire. This is all a bunch of horseshit and I find it hard to believe that anyone in their right mind could believe it either.

Furthermore, how could an all-benevolent deity even consider torturing souls (if they even exist) for eternity (if that is even possible) for not believing that It exists?

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Yes hell fire is real however you do not have to go there unless you choose to.God gave us free will when he created us and he will not force anybody to have a relationship with him,it must be done because the person chooses too,however sin separates us from God and God sent Jesus to live a sinless life for us and die and suffer in our place so that we can be saved and be forgiven but if you reject the lamb of God Jesus Christ who was God in human flesh and blood sacrifice for our sins then you will be punished for your own sins that were never washed away by the blood of Jesus.Isaiah 53:5 .Hebrews 9:12-14,20,28,10:4.Isaiah chapter 1,etc.
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=7fcjr233-JM

Also a person's soul never dies and it will either be in heaven or hell and Jesus made it too easy to be saved for people to reject it,we are not talking about religion but salvation through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[tuxbox]

Hello my theist friend.

I'll start off by telling you that I went to a Christian Academy from 2nd grade through high school. I know all about the Christian faith. I accepted Christ in my heart in 3rd grade and was baptized in 8th grade.

That said, you did not address anything I said in the OP. Souls, if they exist, are not corporeal. So how can something that is immaterial gnash their teeth and be burned for eternity, since fire is material?

Now I will address somethings that you posted. If God is all-knowing then we cannot have free will. It would know who was going to hell before they were born. That is more like fate, not free will. If God is so perfect then why did It not know that Adam and Eve would muck up their perfect lives in the Garden of Eden. Again, if It is all-knowing then It doomed certain people to hell the moment It created humans. This is not logical, nor is it fair if this fairy-tail is true. If everything about God is true in the Bible, then It is certainly not perfect, nor is It all-loving. In fact it makes It a dick for making people suffer when they did not ask to be born. Please explain where I am going wrong?

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Hello my theist friend.

I'll start off by telling you that I went to a Christian Academy from 2nd grade through high school. I know all about the Christian faith. I accepted Christ in my heart in 3rd grade and was baptized in 8th grade.

That said, you did not address anything I said in the OP. Souls, if they exist, are not corporeal. So how can something that is immaterial gnash their teeth and be burned for eternity, since fire is material?

Now I will address somethings that you posted. If God is all-knowing then we cannot have free will. It would know who was going to hell before they were born. That is more like fate, not free will. If God is so perfect then why did It not know that Adam and Eve would muck up their perfect lives in the Garden of Eden. Again, if It is all-knowing then It doomed certain people to hell the moment It created humans. This is not logical, nor is it fair if this fairy-tail is true. If everything about God is true in the Bible, then It is certainly not perfect, nor is It all-loving. In fact it makes It a dick for making people suffer when they did not ask to be born. Please explain where I am going wrong?

IMO you are just saying that you think God should've created man like robots and because he gave man free-will God messed up because he knew man would sin.What you are overlooking is that God gave man freewill but had a plan in place in case man messed up.Also I am not you or anybody else's judge but I don't believe that you were actually saved by Jesus at the age of 3 and going to church does not save a person,we cannot earn salvation based on works,salvation is by grace that God chose to give us out of his love.

Also you either believe the bible about a soul or not but if brain-dead people have had NDE's then it makes your point moot.It might not sound logical to us how a soul can burn in hell for eternity but the bible teaches it and we might just have evidence for it with NDE's even if skeptics reject NDE's.Also God is the judge of mankind and so we can't know who will accept Jesus or not,but God does,just because people hear about Jesus does not mean they would accept him.

 

[tuxbox]

IMO you are just saying that you think God should've created man like robots and because he gave man free-will God messed up because he knew man would sin.What you are overlooking is that God gave man freewill but had a plan in place in case man messed up.Also I am not you or anybody else's judge but I don't believe that you were actually saved by Jesus at the age of 3 and going to church does not save a person,we cannot earn salvation based on works,salvation is by grace that God chose to give us out of his love.

Also you either believe the bible about a soul or not but if brain-dead people have had NDE's then it makes your point moot.It might not sound logical to us how a soul can burn in hell for eternity but the bible teaches it and we might just have evidence for it with NDE's even if skeptics reject NDE's.Also God is the judge of mankind and so we can't know who will accept Jesus or not,but God does,just because people hear about Jesus does not mean they would accept him.

God gave humans freewill but had a plan if they messed up? Then It is not all-knowing. I might get into what the Bible says about God not being all-knowing later, but I'm not in the mood to do so at this time. I was not saved at the age of 3. What I said was that I accepted Christ in my heart in the 3rd grade, but you are correct in saying that I was not saved, because I did not need to be saved from anything.

How can a soul burn? Really, that makes zero sense. Where is this immaterial fire that I'm going to burn in for eternity; and how am I going to gnash my teeth if I to am immaterial?

What happened to all the people who died before Christ was born and then died on the cross for our sins? What happened to all the Native Americans who died before the whiteys came to save them from their evil ways? Did all of them go to hell? Seriously none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

Let's say for the sake of argument that we have souls and the people who experienced NDE's were not hallucinating due to lack of oxygen. That is only evidence that our consciousness (I think that is the correct word) survives death. That only proves that their is some sort of life after death. It does not prove the Bible to be true and it most certainly does not prove that a fiery eternal torture chamber awaits the non-believers.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

IMO you are just saying that you think God should've created man like robots and because he gave man free-will God messed up because he knew man would sin.What you are overlooking is that God gave man freewill but had a plan in place in case man messed up.Also I am not you or anybody else's judge but I don't believe that you were actually saved by Jesus at the age of 3 and going to church does not save a person,we cannot earn salvation based on works,salvation is by grace that God chose to give us out of his love.

Also you either believe the bible about a soul or not but if brain-dead people have had NDE's then it makes your point moot.It might not sound logical to us how a soul can burn in hell for eternity but the bible teaches it and we might just have evidence for it with NDE's even if skeptics reject NDE's.Also God is the judge of mankind and so we can't know who will accept Jesus or not,but God does,just because people hear about Jesus does not mean they would accept him.

God gave humans freewill but had a plan if they messed up? Then It is not all-knowing. I might get into what the Bible says about God not being all-knowing later, but I'm not in the mood to do so at this time. I was not saved at the age of 3. What I said was that I accepted Christ in my heart in the 3rd grade, but you are correct in saying that I was not saved, because I did not need to be saved from anything.

How can a soul burn? Really, that makes zero sense. Where is this immaterial fire that I'm going to burn in for eternity; and how am I going to gnash my teeth if I to am immaterial?

What happened to all the people who died before Christ was born and then died on the cross for our sins? What happened to all the Native Americans who died before the whiteys came to save them from their evil ways? Did all of them go to hell? Seriously none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

Let's say for the sake of argument that we have souls and the people who experienced NDE's were not hallucinating due to lack of oxygen. That is only evidence that our consciousness (I think that is the correct word) survives death. That only proves that their is some sort of life after death. It does not prove the Bible to be true and it most certainly does not prove that a fiery eternal torture chamber awaits the non-believers.

I already explained all of that,not going to try to change your mind.I have planted seeds we'll see if they grow. But I will say I do not believe you were saved though because no matter how many times I've back-slid from God I knew I was doing wrong and always felt the tug to come back,Jesus has never left me or forsaken me no matter what I did.Just because you pray the sinners prayer does not mean you are saved too because it requires faith behind it.

 

[tuxbox]

I already explained all of that,not going to try to change your mind.I have planted seeds we'll see if they grow. But I will say I do not believe you were saved though because no matter how many times I've back-slid from God I knew I was doing wrong and always felt the tug to come back,Jesus has never left me or forsaken me no matter what I did.Just because you pray the sinners prayer does not mean you are saved too because it requires faith behind it.

I've already agreed with you on that. I do not need to be saved because the God portrayed in the Bible does not exist. Those seeds planted were thrown at me through out my childhood. It will not get me to come back to Christianity.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

I already explained all of that,not going to try to change your mind.I have planted seeds we'll see if they grow. But I will say I do not believe you were saved though because no matter how many times I've back-slid from God I knew I was doing wrong and always felt the tug to come back,Jesus has never left me or forsaken me no matter what I did.Just because you pray the sinners prayer does not mean you are saved too because it requires faith behind it.

I've already agreed with you on that. I do not need to be saved because the God portrayed in the Bible does not exist. Those seeds planted were thrown at me through out my childhood. It will not get me to come back to Christianity.

Then why are you not believing in Christianity based on a messed up view about God?Anyway,not going to argue,it does not accomplish much but I would say if you're going to reject Christianity don't do it based on atheist talking points because You're using their talking points in order to deny the truth about Christianity.

 

[Deleted member 619]

Then why are you not believing in Christianity based on a messed up view about God?

What, more messed up than the view presented in the Hokey Blurble? Is that even possible? :lol:

I reject christianity based only on the fact that it's fucking stupid.

 

[tuxbox]

Then why are you not believing in Christianity based on a messed up view about God?Anyway,not going to argue,it does not accomplish much but I would say if you're going to reject Christianity don't do it based on atheist talking points because You're using their talking points in order to deny the truth about Christianity.

My messed up view about the God of the Bible comes from the Bible. He killed 42 kids because they called one of his prophets "baldy"!

2 Kings 2:23-24

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. "Get out of here, baldy!" they said. "Get out of here, baldy!"

He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

This is not a very benevolent God.

 

[tuxbox]

Then why are you not believing in Christianity based on a messed up view about God?

What, more messed up than the view presented in the Hokey Blurble? Is that even possible? :lol:

I reject christianity based only on the fact that it's fucking stupid.

:lol:

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Then why are you not believing in Christianity based on a messed up view about God?Anyway,not going to argue,it does not accomplish much but I would say if you're going to reject Christianity don't do it based on atheist talking points because You're using their talking points in order to deny the truth about Christianity.

My messed up view about the God of the Bible comes from the Bible. He killed 42 kids because they called one of his prophets "baldy"!

2 Kings 2:23-24

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. "Get out of here, baldy!" they said. "Get out of here, baldy!"

He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

This is not a very benevolent God.

You're playing God with a limited human understanding.God did not like his prophet mocked but we are under grace now.Also these young men worshipped a golden calf-false god and mocked God's prophet.God has the authority to strike down all sinners but he does'nt, instead he gives them time to repent.Just 1 sin is all it takes to go to hell and yet we broke many laws.

 

[tuxbox]

You're playing God with a limited human understanding.God did not like his prophet mocked but we are under grace now.Also these young men worshipped a golden calf-false god and mocked God's prophet.God has the authority to strike down all sinners but he does'nt, instead he gives them time to repent.Just 1 sin is all it takes to go to hell and yet we broke many laws.

I'm not playing God but I agree humans have a limited understanding of most things in this universe. That said, a God who kills children because they made fun of Its prophets is an evil dickhead that does not deserve to be worshiped. That is not a God of love and understanding. That is a spiteful, vindictive, and megalomaniac. Thankfully that God does not exist.

 

[Deleted member 619]

It's interesting to me that those who use 'the imperfection of human understanding' as an apologetic are also the ones that claim to understand the most about that which they simultaneously claim to be 'ineffable'.

On a related note, they also seem to be the ones whose understanding of absolutely every fucking thing is entirely non-existent.

IMO, using such a line of apologetic as 'you don't understand god because you're an imperfect human' is tantamount to saying 'shoot me now, because I'm a complete fuckwit'.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

You're playing God with a limited human understanding.God did not like his prophet mocked but we are under grace now.Also these young men worshipped a golden calf-false god and mocked God's prophet.God has the authority to strike down all sinners but he does'nt, instead he gives them time to repent.Just 1 sin is all it takes to go to hell and yet we broke many laws.

I'm not playing God but I agree humans have a limited understanding of most things in this universe. That said, a God who kills children because they made fun of Its prophets is an evil dickhead that does not deserve to be worshiped. That is not a God of love and understanding. That is a spiteful, vindictive, and megalomaniac. Thankfully that God does not exist.

What good does it do you to believe in a god that is of no benefit to you when you die?I mean thanks to Jesus I'm going to heaven if\when I die and it is going to be beautiful in heaven.You should know that we are under grace now because of Jesus until the church age ends,you also overlook that they were not necessarily children,it can be translated like that,but also it can be young adult too and they worshipped a false god.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

You're playing God with a limited human understanding.God did not like his prophet mocked but we are under grace now.Also these young men worshipped a golden calf-false god and mocked God's prophet.God has the authority to strike down all sinners but he does'nt, instead he gives them time to repent.Just 1 sin is all it takes to go to hell and yet we broke many laws.

I'm not playing God but I agree humans have a limited understanding of most things in this universe. That said, a God who kills children because they made fun of Its prophets is an evil dickhead that does not deserve to be worshiped. That is not a God of love and understanding. That is a spiteful, vindictive, and megalomaniac. Thankfully that God does not exist.

What good does it do you to believe in a god that is of no benefit to you when you die?I mean thanks to Jesus I'm going to heaven if\when I die and it is going to be beautiful in heaven.You should know that we are under grace now because of Jesus until the church age ends,you also overlook that they were not necessarily children,it can be translated like that,but also it can be young adult too and they worshipped a false god.

 

[Deleted member 619]

it is going to be beautiful in heaven.

Moronic preaching cuntbaggery aside, bet you can't actually describe heaven.

they worshipped a false god.

Does that mean we should send bears to rip you to pieces as well? Your magic fuckwit is definitely false.

 

[Prolescum]

Here's a question for ACB...

How many dimensions does Heaven have?

 

[tuxbox]

What good does it do you to believe in a god that is of no benefit to you when you die?I mean thanks to Jesus I'm going to heaven if\when I die and it is going to be beautiful in heaven.You should know that we are under grace now because of Jesus until the church age ends,you also overlook that they were not necessarily children,it can be translated like that,but also it can be young adult too and they worshipped a false god.

I believe in a Creator but I have no idea if it is a God. That would imply an all-knowing, all-loving, omniscient and omnipotent deity. I don't analyze what It is or isn't, since there is no way of knowing the attributes of something that is outside of space and time. I've already died once, so death does not scare me. I do not need to believe in an afterlife in order to live this life happily. I'm perfectly content with the present and I'm not worried about the future.

As far as heaven is concerned, well that concept makes no sense to me. Worshiping a deity non-stop for eternity seems kind of stupid and boring. Which makes me happy knowing you are incorrect about the afterlife.

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Here's a question for ACB...

How many dimensions does Heaven have?

We can really only go on how heaven is described in the bible but I've heard people who had NDE's claim heaven has many dimensions and I've heard it speculated that science is detecting it with multiple universes,it is interesting but I'm holding back until more evidence comes forward.