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[Prolescum]

Yeah, why didn't I just do that?

Indeed, apparently it's perfectly acceptable. Who knew, eh?

 

[ImprobableJoe]

All you had to do was ask, I could've given you one. If you wanted, I could've even given you a legal one...

Can I have a gun? My left hand is feeling sort of lacking in the gun department... :lol:

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Yeah, why didn't I just do that?

Indeed, apparently it's perfectly acceptable. Who knew, eh?

Actually, I knew it was hypothetically possible for one person to give another person a gun as a gift. I just didn't know it was possible to ask relative strangers for them and for them to answer positively. Plus, who knows who you should ask? I mean, I could have asked anyone, and 99.999% of them would have said "no" and possibly "fuck you, asshole!"

 

[televator]

Some people do treat weapons like others treat toys, give them names, carry them around to show them to people, sleep with them under their pillows, spend time watching them or using them to "play" with and so on, weapons sometimes can be considered "toys for adults".

That doesn't mean, that's what they aught to be doing though. Child toys aren't meant to kill. The specific end purpose of a gun is to kill or harm with more efficiency.

Just because many people behave like childish idiots around weapons, doesn't mean everyone else should or be presumed to find that behavior acceptable. Guns and toys are not inherently analogous. It depends on who you are talking to, and in this case Joe seems to at least realize an important distinction.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Some people do treat weapons like others treat toys, give them names, carry them around to show them to people, sleep with them under their pillows, spend time watching them or using them to "play" with and so on, weapons sometimes can be considered "toys for adults".

That doesn't mean, that's what they aught to be doing though. Child toys aren't meant to kill. The specific end purpose of a gun is to kill or harm with more efficiency.

Just because many people behave like childish idiots around weapons, doesn't mean everyone else should or be presumed to find that behavior acceptable. Guns and toys are not inherently analogous. It depends on who you are talking to, and in this case Joe seems to at least realize an important distinction.

Well that's sort of what I was saying earlier about gun ownership in general is maybe a bad idea, but I think it is just fine for me.

I mean, people abuse drugs but that doesn't mean I shouldn't get Vicodin if I have surgery. People drink and drive but we don't ban alcohol or cars. I've got no patience with gun nuts either, bunch of trigger-happy whack jobs.

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

Hope it serves you well.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Hope it serves you well.

I hope I never have to fire it outside of the range.

 

[televator]

^^And that's the difference right there. Other maniacs, who REALLY should not be allowed to even walk in the same public spaces as everyone else, can't wait for a reason to use their gun...some of them even dress up in uniforms with badges on them.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

^^And that's the difference right there. Other maniacs, who REALLY should not be allowed to even walk in the same public spaces as everyone else, can't wait for a reason to use their gun...some of them even dress up in uniforms with badges on them.

Yeah man. It is hard to shop for a handgun, because some large percentage of websites about guns are filled with nutjobs who think the government is going to take their guns away. They NEED those guns, dammit! One in every room, one on their person at all times, because any second now some pack of street punks are going to break into their house to rape and murder their wives, kids, and pets. If they could buy grenades and mines, they probably would, just in case the commies invade.

After all, all those 1970s and -80s vigilante movies and Red Dawn were actually documentaries, and that shit happens in real life all the time. You NEED 30-round magazines for your handgun, and 100-round drums for your assault rifles, all for home defense. Thousands of rounds of ammo too, because the government is going to ban ammo any day now. :facepalm:

The sad truth is that a rather large percentage of gun owners appear to be psychologically unfit to own them.

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

I approve of Guns if used properly.
Then again, I do/used to shoot at people shooting at me for a living (I'm in Limbo at the moment due to injuries - but that's for another topic). A Rifle is a tool, like a wrench is a tool - it's utility can be used for both good and evil.
(Start unbolting vital parts of a plane, and see how bad it turns out)

Me? I have my own collection.
Why? Prosperity. Boredom. The fact that I just happened to know a lot about them.
I take them to the range whenever I can and keep in good practice to maintain my Expert in the various shooting fields.

Oh, Gods help the person who robs my residence.
I don't carry a gun on me, of course - but I have a knife that I can use just as well that is within legal limits - which isn't saying much, because it's a short Diving Knife. The law at my current residence is that Diving knives can be carried anywhere, anytime, in public.

 

[Andiferous]

I think the underlying message from some other nationalities is "I'm disappointed you bought a gun."

Granted, it's your choice... but guns spread over the globe like a nasty virus.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I think the underlying message from some other nationalities is "I'm disappointed you bought a gun."

Granted, it's your choice... but guns spread over the globe like a nasty virus.

Ummmm... I'm hoping my gun stays put, rather than spreading out. It is made out of metal, not butter. :lol:

 

[Noth]

For my part I'm glad you're so responsible when it comes to gun use and ownership Joe. From what I've read here you could be one of those people who'd be eligible for a gun permit here in the Netherlands even. I count myself lucky that the laws are so strict when it comes to guns over here. A girl once told me (*warning, anecdote alert!) about the process she went through for her permit. The conclusion of which was that she was sent out into a forest with a gun with blanks in it, told to just walk, and she would be ambushed by a professional at some point. How she responded (whether she would fire right away, or first tell him to back off and warn him etc.) determined whether she would be granted the license. Apparently it was one of the most frightening experiences in her life, but she managed to stick to protocol (even though he did attack her after the warning, so she had to shoot him in the well-padded-chest) upon which he shook her hand and told her she had passed.

After many extended talks with Americans on this subject I get why you (Americans in general) are so determined to have this right. I'd still think it can lead to so many otherwise avoidable deaths because too many people who shouldn't even be allowed to own one can get their hands on one, but it remains an outsider's perspective.
Here's to never having to use one

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Sort of a Catch 22, isn't it? It is a good thing that I can get a gun, because I need to protect myself from the idiots and criminals with guns. If I couldn't get a gun because I lived in a country with a history of strict gun control, I probably wouldn't need the gun in the first place.

Oddly, I can openly carry a pistol on my belt, but my pocketknife is illegal.

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

For my part I'm glad you're so responsible when it comes to gun use and ownership Joe. From what I've read here you could be one of those people who'd be eligible for a gun permit here in the Netherlands even. I count myself lucky that the laws are so strict when it comes to guns over here. A girl once told me (*warning, anecdote alert!) about the process she went through for her permit. The conclusion of which was that she was sent out into a forest with a gun with blanks in it, told to just walk, and she would be ambushed by a professional at some point. How she responded (whether she would fire right away, or first tell him to back off and warn him etc.) determined whether she would be granted the license. Apparently it was one of the most frightening experiences in her life, but she managed to stick to protocol (even though he did attack her after the warning, so she had to shoot him in the well-padded-chest) upon which he shook her hand and told her she had passed.

After many extended talks with Americans on this subject I get why you (Americans in general) are so determined to have this right. I'd still think it can lead to so many otherwise avoidable deaths because too many people who shouldn't even be allowed to own one can get their hands on one, but it remains an outsider's perspective.
Here's to never having to use one

I'm not so sure about the gun laws in your country. I could shoot a round in the air in the wilderness? Is it a shotgun?
In my training, it's the Three Warnings law for Tresspassing in sequence under ideal circumstances.
The first warning is Verbal. The second is unholstered weapon with verbal warning. Final result is gunfire. Warning shots on pistols/rifles is strictly unauthorized due to the fact that all bullets land somewhere and hit something sometime.

All of this is in ideal circumstances, of course.

 

[nasher168]

I can't speak for the Netherlands, but in the UK I think farmers and other people far away from a police presence are allowed guns for self-defence. Normal people are only allowed them for recreation and have to keep them under lock and key, with the key in a secure location known only to them and the police. A police officer has to inspect how the gun is stored (ammo has to be stored separately) and of course the owner needs a license. I'm not sure how to acquire one of those.

The above is from my Grandpa's experience. It might be even more strict nowadays.

 

[Andiferous]

I think the underlying message from some other nationalities is "I'm disappointed you bought a gun."

Granted, it's your choice... but guns spread over the globe like a nasty virus.

Ummmm... I'm hoping my gun stays put, rather than spreading out. It is made out of metal, not butter. :lol:

I get what you're saying, but guns are strictly regulated in Canada. Generally, handguns are illegally smuggled in from the USA and contribute to gang violence of all kinds (particularly in our major cities).

I am of the understanding that many guns used criminally in the US also are likely stolen or smuggled from southern borders, but the problem tends to migrate northward.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I get what you're saying, but guns are strictly regulated in Canada. Generally, handguns are illegally smuggled in from the USA and contribute to gang violence of all kinds (particularly in our major cities).

I am of the understanding that many guns used criminally in the US also are likely stolen or smuggled from southern borders, but the problem tends to migrate northward.

I don't think you're getting what I'm saying at all, or maybe I'm the one missing things.

What does any of what you're posting have to do with me, specifically? I'm not illegally smuggling weapons, I'm not a member of the NRA or the Republican Party or any of the groups looking to further weaken handgun regulations. My handgun is going into a fancy biometric safe, which I'm planning on bolting directly to the bed's frame.

I don't see why you're associating me with all the world's gun problems. I've got a bunch of Sudafed under the sink, are you going to try to link me to the meth problem too? :lol:

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I'm not so sure about the gun laws in your country. I could shoot a round in the air in the wilderness? Is it a shotgun?
In my training, it's the Three Warnings law for Tresspassing in sequence under ideal circumstances.
The first warning is Verbal. The second is unholstered weapon with verbal warning. Final result is gunfire. Warning shots on pistols/rifles is strictly unauthorized due to the fact that all bullets land somewhere and hit something sometime.

All of this is in ideal circumstances, of course.

I don't know about all this warning stuff. My plan is to shut and lock the bedroom door and tell my wife to call the cops. Anyone without a badge who comes into my bedroom gets a bullet.

 

[Laurens]

*Sings* "When I hold you in my arms, and I feel my finger on your trigger, I know nobody can do me no harm because, happiness is a warm gun..."