Dogma's Demise
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Okay I'm getting a bit tired of seeing people associating the anti-Islamist and falsely named "far right" movements with Anders Breivik.
Fuck Anders Breivik, hope they put in solitary confinement and throw away the key! You do not fight terrorism with even more terrorism. You don't fight the stealth jihad either with terrorism. You oppose it by non-violent state policies and by exposing Islam's totalitarian political side. (See, the Sharia is not merely a set of morals, it's an entire legal system intended to run a society and organizations such as the Muslim Brotherhood or IFE are working to achieve this goal.) That's it. If you have to go around bombing buildings and gunning down civilians you're no better than Al'Qaida.
Oh yeah and for those who are still under the illusion that Islam is a religion of peace hijacked by a handful of extremists, I want you to read this part of Sahih Muslim:
Three courses of action: convert, pay a tax or die... Doesn't sound like a religion of peace to me that's been hijacked by a few fundamentalists. This is in the Sunnah (Hadiths) which along with the Qur'an make up the primary foundation of Islam. Sunnah contains examples from the prophet's life which Muslims are called to emulate.
I'm not saying Muslims aren't peaceful, because many of them are. Just like many Christians tend to ignore the clear teachings in Christianity not to have premarital sex (or try to get around it in some way). But that doesn't mean the religion itself is peaceful or rational.
Qur'an 9:29
All of these teachings have been used by the Islamic world to justify Islamic conquest and domination over non-Muslims.
In the ideal world of Islamists like Muslim Brotherhood or IFE, Sharia law is the ultimate authority. Do you get to keep your religion if you're non-Muslim? Sure, you even get a degree of autonomy provided you pay the jizya tax. But ultimately, it wouldn't be a free secular world and you'd effectively be 2nd class citizen under a fascist nanny state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Status_of_non-Muslims
We also know from practice that in many Muslim majority countries, Christians and Jews are frequently attacked, their places of worship burned etc. We know for example that Sudan faced a lot of civil unrest over the introduction of Sharia.
And online I can find plenty of Islamic theologians such as these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhxbjnn12Gw Explaining to me how liberalism (by which he meant western liberal democracy) has failed the world and how Sharia is not really that inhumane but a viable alternative. This video was favorited by another great Islamic scholar (DawahFilms) as an example of "moderate" Islam, but I'm not quite convinced yet...
^ And this is the more rational (if you can call it that) face of Islamism. Because there are plenty of imams and theologians in the Islamic world who are far more extreme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0SW8q3rA94 You'll rarely (if ever) see a Christian priest or pastor talk like this.
Fuck Anders Breivik, hope they put in solitary confinement and throw away the key! You do not fight terrorism with even more terrorism. You don't fight the stealth jihad either with terrorism. You oppose it by non-violent state policies and by exposing Islam's totalitarian political side. (See, the Sharia is not merely a set of morals, it's an entire legal system intended to run a society and organizations such as the Muslim Brotherhood or IFE are working to achieve this goal.) That's it. If you have to go around bombing buildings and gunning down civilians you're no better than Al'Qaida.
Oh yeah and for those who are still under the illusion that Islam is a religion of peace hijacked by a handful of extremists, I want you to read this part of Sahih Muslim:
http://sunnah.com/muslim/33
Three courses of action: convert, pay a tax or die... Doesn't sound like a religion of peace to me that's been hijacked by a few fundamentalists. This is in the Sunnah (Hadiths) which along with the Qur'an make up the primary foundation of Islam. Sunnah contains examples from the prophet's life which Muslims are called to emulate.
I'm not saying Muslims aren't peaceful, because many of them are. Just like many Christians tend to ignore the clear teachings in Christianity not to have premarital sex (or try to get around it in some way). But that doesn't mean the religion itself is peaceful or rational.
Qur'an 9:29
http://sunnah.com/bukhari/89
All of these teachings have been used by the Islamic world to justify Islamic conquest and domination over non-Muslims.
In the ideal world of Islamists like Muslim Brotherhood or IFE, Sharia law is the ultimate authority. Do you get to keep your religion if you're non-Muslim? Sure, you even get a degree of autonomy provided you pay the jizya tax. But ultimately, it wouldn't be a free secular world and you'd effectively be 2nd class citizen under a fascist nanny state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Status_of_non-Muslims
We also know from practice that in many Muslim majority countries, Christians and Jews are frequently attacked, their places of worship burned etc. We know for example that Sudan faced a lot of civil unrest over the introduction of Sharia.
And online I can find plenty of Islamic theologians such as these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhxbjnn12Gw Explaining to me how liberalism (by which he meant western liberal democracy) has failed the world and how Sharia is not really that inhumane but a viable alternative. This video was favorited by another great Islamic scholar (DawahFilms) as an example of "moderate" Islam, but I'm not quite convinced yet...
^ And this is the more rational (if you can call it that) face of Islamism. Because there are plenty of imams and theologians in the Islamic world who are far more extreme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0SW8q3rA94 You'll rarely (if ever) see a Christian priest or pastor talk like this.
