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arg-fallbackName="he_who_is_nobody"/>
It would behoove you to address the enormous error I pointed out in this post (and quoted here). Otherwise, it appears you are just running from a colossal mistake and hoping no one else will notice it.

Where is this coming from? A groundless assumption I see very good. Something I would expect just from you or people like you.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

You make it sound like a faithless antagonist is a bad thing.

Oh, it is, and you keep proving that.

Ironically yes it was covered in the same post. Get over yourself.

No, it was not. Stop lying.

K but you can't name a single case of the flu vaccine killing someone either directly or indirectly correct? Thank you.

Nor do I have to. It is not my claim. You made a claim, and you back it up.

The symptoms of Covid are much much worse after taking the vaccine and lets say you enter the category of at risk persons I spoke about then your chances of dying or lasting damage from Covid is higher.

Stop lying. People with CoViD vaccines (if they catch CoViD) have less severe outcomes.

I know people who have taken the vaccine and immediately felt sick and again had to be hospitalized and given adrenaline therapy in order to overcome the effects.

I am pretty sure you are lying about this too. Please cite a source.

I also know people whom have died due to the vaccinations creating blood clots.

Seeing as how only nine people have died from thrombosis linked to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, I will safely say you are lying about this. What is ironic about this lie is that a source you gave earlier contains that stat. Why you would lie about something you already demonstrated could not be the case is beyond me. However, since nine people have died from this, please provide the name of the persons you knew; this should be very quickly verified if true.

I know zero people whom have died from Covid.

Seeing as how you have done nothing but lie so far in this paragraph, It would not shock me if this is a lie. However, you are such a demonstrably repugnant human (you demonstrate that later in this post) that perhaps your relationship group is so small that you do not know anyone who has died from it.

The military people that I work with forced to take the vaccine and then caught it and been hospitalized tell it best.

Please provide a citation for this; otherwise, it just looks like you are lying again.

The government screwed them meanwhile I don't wear a mask and haven't been vaccinated and have never had covid or damage relating to it.

Good for you; your antidote does nothing to change that this is still a deadly disease. However, seeing as how you lied this much in just one paragraph, it would not shock me to find out that you have been vaccinated and are just pretending you have not (much like Ron DeSantis)

Anyways, that was just one long paragraph of fear-mongering about the CoViD vaccine, not one citation to support any claim, just pure emotion.

If it is my body the vaccine is entering then I have a right under the same claim as the pro abortion people.

Correct.

It should be supported by the left but tyrannical and arbitrary actions remain.

Incorrect. Much like smoking, no one should support this action merely because you have a right to do it.

Or maybe I don't want to waste my time watching videos all day and maybe I send timestamps to make a direct point thereby not wasting any time relative to watching the entire video with their stupid intros and their personal spin on what happened as opposed to what actually happened.

Nope. You refuse to look at the fruits of your labor. Those videos will be right here whenever you are brave enough to watch them.

Implication is a funny thing because when you do this and claim I made an argument via an implication it is really easy to just disprove you as nonse of what you presented actually proves your claim of being more dangerous.

Do you want to try that sentence again, maybe this time in English?

Quote me where I said taking the vaccine was more dangerous?

Easy:

The symptoms of Covid are much much worse after taking the vaccine and lets say you enter the category of at risk persons I spoke about then your chances of dying or lasting damage from Covid is higher. I know people who have taken the vaccine and immediately felt sick and again had to be hospitalized and given adrenaline therapy in order to overcome the effects. I also know people whom have died due to the vaccinations creating blood clots. I know zero people whom have died from Covid. The military people that I work with forced to take the vaccine and then caught it and been hospitalized tell it best. The government screwed them meanwhile I don't wear a mask and haven't been vaccinated and have never had covid or damage relating to it.

What else are you saying there but the vaccines are harmful, and the virus is not?

Could it possibly be that I just don't want to risk dying stupidly by taking a vaccine designed to help me and it instead of helping me by design actually kills me like the people I have known?

You do not know anyone that has died from the vaccine (stop lying or provide a source that verifies this). Beyond that, you know what is stupid to die from? A disease that we have a safe and effective vaccine for.

It is about a slight that the vaccine brings inherently into the argument where a medicine killed you is so deliciously ironic that I rather take my chances.

Do you want to try that sentence again, maybe this time in English?

Haven't caught covid haven't taken the vaccine.

Good for you, However, I bet you have been vaccinated and are claiming otherwise.

Most of the people I know who took the vaccine got messed up and sick and required therapy and 4 have died.

Citation needed.

Zero of the people that didn't take it died and some of had covid multiple times (tested positive) with mild symptoms like the cold and got over it in a few days.

Good for them. Sad that they kept spreading the sickness around.

You'd be a fool to ignore what has actually happened to your personal friends and what their widows have told you.

One would. 'Tis a good thing none of that is true.

Now, we have finished our second enormous paragraph of fear-mongering about the CoViD vaccines. But, again, I noticed more unsupported claims about the vaccines and nothing else.

You thinking I am implying something and it actually not being the case would be a strawman. What am I implying specifically?

You imply that the vaccines are deadly, at least as harmful or more so than the virus. I quoted exactly where you were doing that, and you did that again in the paragraph right about this comment.

What is the misinformation that has been claimed about the vaccine that I personally have made?

Four people have died after taking the vaccine that you know, 6K blood clots caused by the vaccine, you knowing people that have had to go to the hospital because of the vaccine, people are dying from complications resulting from the vaccine, claiming the two two-doze mRNA vaccines contained a live virus. And those are the ones I can think of from the top of my head.

Off topic but yes very much so. Been doing so for over a decade in fact.

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You are retaking pictures of Instagram. How cute.

Literally posted in this very thread. You are just blind.
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Learn to use a hyperlink boomer. Beyond that, the post was not addressed to me, so how was I supposed to know what you were talking about? However, that is terrible, and the Australian government should be ashamed.

Imply blah blah blah implication whine whine whine. You need to actually argue against something I am actually arguing.

That is all I have been doing.

The antibodies you are talking about that vaccines produce also produce risk unto themselves ...

A minimal risk.

... and frankly the one of the major points I am making and still continuing to make against your own stupidity and ignorance and throwing strawmen is that A) Dying due even a related status from a vaccine is utterly retarded ...

And yet there is nearly no chance of that happening.

... and I'd rather take my chances with Covid as I have been doing since the start ...

You can do that, and I will keep pointing out just how selfish and risky that strategy is.

... and B) it should be people's choice and not mandated.

Agreed.

Anything else I can think of in the moment and it is entirely in your own delusional brain - or in other words and impliciation you think I am making.

I have only addressed the former and agree with you on the latter.

I want to point out the 80-word long run-on sentence in that paragraph. Hilarious!

Which my statement of boosters being a racket gains in legitimacy. They are making heaps of money over boosters insurance or not they still get those funds.

That does not give your racket claims any legitimacy. That is unless you think all preventative care is a racket. However, "... the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine costs $19.50 per dose, while the Moderna vaccine costs $15 per dose. Medicare also pays about $40 for administering the vaccine."[1] I do not think anyone is getting rich off of that.

They can go to places which require masks and I will continue to go to places who have no such requirement. That is part of THEIR choice and THEIR responsibility not mine.

Remember how I talked about you having a small relationship group? With a mindset as vile as this, would it be any surprise to anyone to find out you have few relationships? I feel awful for you right now.

If it is really so important then vote with your feet. Go live in a liberal state that does that crap.

You seem to be unaware of how much it costs to move.

Hell move to Canada or Australia where they fine you 5k and arrest you and put you in literal concentration camps even after you have tested negative.

And more Godwin's law, typical anti-vax rhetoric.

You are not listening and it is clear you haven't picked up on what I am actually arguing for you just have your head you know where and think by default I probably think we should destroy the vaccines or some shit - jesus.

I have not been listening, only reading. 'Tis a written forum, after all. Beyond that, I have summed up your position several times and even quoted your own words to back it up. I have never implied that you think we should destroy the vaccine; you are just grasping at straws because you know you cannot address any of the points I am making. All you have is fear-mongering and lies.

Look at me picking up implications I pulled a "you".

Yet none of those implications you have pulled about me can be backed by anything I have said. I actually can back up what you are implying with your own words.

Hahahahahahahaha Whatever dude. Keep pulling those mental gymnastics.

Projections. However, what else would I expect from an anti-vaxxer? You cannot argue facts, and your lying and fear-mongering have not worked. Projection is all you have left.

You are pathetic dude. You think I am doing something then annoying put in citations needed then do mental gymnastics to argue something I haven't actually argued.

Wrong. I have only argued against what you have put forward, using facts to back it up. You seem upset that you cannot emote your way through this discussion.

Yes Australia is ran by a bunch of crazy Authoritarian douchbags when you consider the source already posted in post 255 you somehow didn't catch and claim I didn't post. This is ridiculous and so are you.

I never claimed you did not post it; I asked for a citation. I did not realize that a post not addressed to me was relevant to our discussion. However, I have already said I disagree with the actions of the Australians, so what more do you want? They can be in the wrong, and so can you.
 
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I never claimed you did not post it; I asked for a citation. I did not realize that a post not addressed to me was relevant to our discussion. However, I have already said I disagree with the actions of the Australians, so what more do you want? They can be in the wrong, and so can you.
Except it has been cited in that post. If you post a CITATION how exactly is that not citing something?
 
arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
Except The first one being you dying post taking a vaccine is true.


Secondly I said
partially weakened virus

Which is correct considering the breakdown of vaccinations.

"A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins, or one of its surface proteins."

"Made from weakened or killed forms of microbe"


Which is true.

So none of this quoted is misinformation.
 
arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
I have never implied that you think we should destroy the vaccine; you are just grasping at straws because you know you cannot address any of the points I am making.
This is gold. I made this argument for the simple fact of where implied arguments get us. You yourself say I am grasping at straws which backs my argument about implied arguments.
 
arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
However, "... the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine costs $19.50 per dose, while the Moderna vaccine costs $15 per dose. Medicare also pays about $40 for administering the vaccine."[1] I do not think anyone is getting rich off of that.

Minimum funds just for the U.S. for the cheapest vaccine 1 dose. Not counting tax or differences in states that charge differently.
2251655172 * 15
33,774,827,580

Just because the company takes health insurance do you think they don't actually get money or how do you think that works?

You were saying?
 
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Beyond that, the post was not addressed to me, so how was I supposed to know what you were talking about? However, that is terrible, and the Australian government should be ashamed.
How were you supposed to know about the 5k fine? By reading it in the thread. It wasn't addressed to you because it is addressed to anyone in the thread.

Thy are brown shirts they have no shame. They enjoy doing that crap.
 
arg-fallbackName="he_who_is_nobody"/>
It would behoove you to address the enormous error I pointed out in this post (and quoted here). Otherwise, it appears you are just running from a colossal mistake and hoping no one else will notice it.

Oh wow. So many posts directed at me. It feels like someone wants my attention. How cute.

Except it has been cited in that post. If you post a CITATION how exactly is that not citing something?

It was not cited in that post; you shared it in a different post. Stop lying.

Except The first one being you dying post taking a vaccine is true.

That was not your claim, and I even linked back to your claim. You claimed:

How about those that are compromised and die due to the extra stress of the vaccine?

I pointed out that you misread your citation. Stop lying about the context. You were just wrong.

Secondly I said
partially weakened virus

That is not all you said:

Trump didn't have all the doses requires nor did he have enough initial doses and frankly if you use the first dose and not use all of them then you risk making the virus strong NOT weaker. Remember you are injecting a partially weakened virus strain in your body and using that to help your body's natural defenses against said virus.

[Emphesis on what was omitted.]

Thus, you were referring to the two mRNA vaccines since they are the only two-dose vaccines, but they do not have weakened viruses in them at all. You quote mined yourself to try and spin this (a lie on top of a lie). How dishonest can one person get?

Which is correct considering the breakdown of vaccinations.

"A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins, or one of its surface proteins."

"Made from weakened or killed forms of microbe"

Which is true.

So none of this quoted is misinformation.

As I pointed out above, you were not talking about vaccines in general, you were talking about the two two-dose mRNA vaccines. The dishonesty does not end. Thus, you are incorrect, and all your bloviating above is irrelevant. You were just wrong about this. It is also hilarious that the citation you use has a section about the mRNA vaccines in it too. This is rich!

The other mistakes I pointed out in that paragraph are four people who have died after taking the vaccine that you know, 6K blood clots caused by the vaccine, and you know people who have had to go to the hospital because of the vaccine. Am I to assume that you accept that you were wrong about those and stand corrected?

I just did. You are doing that implicitly.
Nonsense I have to actually make the argument out in the open. Otherwise I can claim you implied something and make arguments you haven't made up too.

Learn how to use a forum boomer. I already addressed this. Why are you going back when I already discussed it?

Nearly which means it IS possible. Nearly possible retarded Darwin death compared to risking getting something roughly like the FLU.

It would help if you learned the difference between likelihood and possibility. For example, it is possible to die in a plane crash, but it is improbable. Beyond that, the CoViD is much worse than the flu.

Yet none of those implications you have pulled about me can be backed by anything I have said. I actually can back up what you are implying with your own words.
Such as?

Look at that. More evidence that you are not reading my posts. I did precisely that in the post you are quoting this from. However, what else would I expect from a faithless antagonist? Here it is, AGAIN:

Quote me where I said taking the vaccine was more dangerous?
Easy:

The symptoms of Covid are much much worse after taking the vaccine and lets say you enter the category of at risk persons I spoke about then your chances of dying or lasting damage from Covid is higher. I know people who have taken the vaccine and immediately felt sick and again had to be hospitalized and given adrenaline therapy in order to overcome the effects. I also know people whom have died due to the vaccinations creating blood clots. I know zero people whom have died from Covid. The military people that I work with forced to take the vaccine and then caught it and been hospitalized tell it best. The government screwed them meanwhile I don't wear a mask and haven't been vaccinated and have never had covid or damage relating to it.

What else are you saying there but the vaccines are harmful, and the virus is not?

This is gold. I made this argument for the simple fact of where implied arguments get us. You yourself say I am grasping at straws which backs my argument about implied arguments.

I do not think you know what gold is because I can back up your implication with your own words. And as I said, you cannot do that for me. I know reading can be challenging for you, but you should learn how to do it if you are on a written forum.


Minimum funds just for the U.S. for the cheapest vaccine 1 dose. Not counting tax or differences in states that charge differently.
2251655172 * 15
33,774,827,580

Just because the company takes health insurance do you think they don't actually get money or how do you think that works?

You were saying?

Where did you get those numbers? They are not in your citation.

I see what happened. You saw the first number ("At least 251,655,172 people or 76% of the population have received at least one dose") and wrote it down wrong. Again, have you been checked for dyscalculia? You seem to have a huge problem with numbers. So, we do 251,655,172 X $15 and get $3.77482758 billion. Such a large number. But then one must factor in the fact that people are making these things, so all that money is not simply profit. One has to pay for the labor, tools, and products that manufacture this vaccine. However, if you do not think people should get paid for the fruits of their labor, I guess that would make you a communist. Nevertheless, this goes to what I asked, and you left it on the cutting room floor. Do you think preventative care is a racket?

Why am I a faithless Antagonist by the way?

Someone that cares about a subject they are arguing would put the time into arguing it with facts/logic. They would also acknowledge when they get something wrong and are not scared to look at new evidence. And they would not lie for their cause. You do not display any of those traits; you seem to want to spread disinformation and misinformation. It does not matter how often you are corrected on your mistakes and lies; you will keep spreading them.

Except I moved from California to Nevada to Tennessee.

And was it free or had no cost to your social networks? I know people do it all the time, but you said it so flippantly that it appeared you do not know the actual cost (social or financial).

How were you supposed to know about the 5k fine? By reading it in the thread. It wasn't addressed to you because it is addressed to anyone in the thread.

Correct. The post addressed it to anyone. Do you think I am reading all your posts? Again, why would I read a post from you that you did not direct at me?

Thy are brown shirts they have no shame. They enjoy doing that crap.

And more Godwin's law, how sad.
 
arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
Oh wow. So many posts directed at me. It feels like someone wants my attention. How cute.
Or on a cell phone at the surgeon's office.
It was not cited in that post; you shared it in a different post. Stop lying.
That post meaning the post that contained the citation.
I pointed out that you misread your citation. Stop lying about the context. You were just wrong.
Except complications of vaccines do kill people i.e. extra stress of the vaccination.
Thus, you were referring to the two mRNA vaccines since they are the only two-dose vaccines, but they do not have weakened viruses in them at all. You quote mined yourself to try and spin this (a lie on top of a lie). How dishonest can one person get?
No I am referring to the claim that Trump attempted two different vaccines before trying qualaquin or whatever. That was in the news at the time because Trump didn't want to take the vaccine but <gasp> he tried more than one.
As I pointed out above, you were not talking about vaccines in general, you were talking about the two two-dose mRNA vaccines. The dishonesty does not end. Thus, you are incorrect, and all your bloviating above is irrelevant. You were just wrong about this. It is also hilarious that the citation you use has a section about the mRNA vaccines in it too. This is rich!
Irrelevant due to above.
The other mistakes I pointed out in that paragraph are four people who have died after taking the vaccine that you know, 6K blood clots caused by the vaccine, and you know people who have had to go to the hospital because of the vaccine. Am I to assume that you accept that you were wrong about those and stand corrected?
You continue to argue that people haven't died to complications regarding the vaccines so what's the point?
Learn how to use a forum boomer. I already addressed this. Why are you going back when I already discussed it?
The problem with this forum is that the contextual change immediately gets lost unless both speak in complete sentences. I hate it and it sucks and it inconvenient.
It would help if you learned the difference between likelihood and possibility. For example, it is possible to die in a plane crash, but it is improbable. Beyond that, the CoViD is much worse than the flu.

"We estimated an average of 389 000 (uncertainty range 294 000-518000) respiratory deaths were associated with influenza globally each year

Until late 2017, WHO estimated that seasonal influenza was associated with a total of 250 000 to 500 000 deaths from all causes annually

estimated that influenza is associated with 290 000 to 650 000 deaths from respiratory causes alone"

That is with a tried and true flu vaccination as opposed to a extremely new set of vaccines which have potentially unknown side effects

2020-2021 figures are oddly NOT available to be cited for the global figures relating to influenza deaths according to the CDC with the exception of the child mortality.


"Since flu deaths in children became nationally notifiable in 2004, reported flu deaths in children had previously ranged from a low of 37 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 199 (during 2019-2020)."

I am skeptical I think it partly confusing Covid with Flu and vice versa.
Look at that. More evidence that you are not reading my posts. I did precisely that in the post you are quoting this from. However, what else would I expect from a faithless antagonist? Here it is, AGAIN:
Where is your evidence for faithless antagonist?

Also what do you think this means literally?

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That the symptoms were worse....It literally says it right there in the first sentence. The people that gain adverse symptoms and possibly died or lost the ability to breathe unassisted you don't think have worse symptoms or that the vaccine made it possible for the symptoms to get worse?

I do not think you know what gold is because I can back up your implication with your own words. And as I said, you cannot do that for me. I know reading can be challenging for you, but you should learn how to do it if you are on a written forum.
Yea its almost like you should argue based on IMPLICATION. Do I have to spell it out for you? I said so verbatim so I suppose so this is pointless to continue.
 
arg-fallbackName="he_who_is_nobody"/>
It would behoove you to address the enormous error I pointed out in this post (and quoted here). Otherwise, it appears you are just running from a colossal mistake and hoping no one else will notice it.

Or on a cell phone at the surgeon's office.

Wow! You really cannot get enough of me. It is also ironic that you would be in a surgeon's office while bemoaning the evils of a different medical intervention. What say you @ldmitruk?

That post meaning the post that contained the citation.

Yes, the one you did not direct at me.

Except complications of vaccines do kill people i.e. extra stress of the vaccination.

Again, that is not what your source said. It states that people with complications died despite the vaccine, not that it caused complications. Stop lying.

No I am referring to the claim that Trump attempted two different vaccines before trying qualaquin or whatever. That was in the news at the time because Trump didn't want to take the vaccine but <gasp> he tried more than one.

What are you fucken talking about? This little yarn bears no relationship with reality. The context was based on Don Corona's failed vaccine rollout and had nothing to do with the medicine he was taking. Instead of just admitting to a mistake, you would rather make up a whole story. The funny thing about this is that you went back and quote-mined yourself about this. The paragraph containing that quote-mine starts with you saying, "Trump didn't have enough time to focus on the rollouts as he wanted to obtain more vaccines and deliver them incomplete with all doses." Are you still wondering why I call you a faithless antagonist when you make up a story instead of admitting to a simple mistake?

As I pointed out above, you were not talking about vaccines in general, you were talking about the two two-dose mRNA vaccines. The dishonesty does not end. Thus, you are incorrect, and all your bloviating above is irrelevant. You were just wrong about this. It is also hilarious that the citation you use has a section about the mRNA vaccines in it too. This is rich!
Irrelevant due to above.

Nope. Still very relevant.

You continue to argue that people haven't died to complications regarding the vaccines so what's the point?

I have never argued that; I am simply asking you to back up your claim that this is the case. Beyond that, the point would be acting with dignity and humility. So, the other mistakes I pointed out in that paragraph are four people who have died after taking the vaccine that you know, 6K blood clots caused by the vaccine, and you know people who have had to go to the hospital because of the vaccine. Am I to assume that you accept that you were wrong about those and stand corrected?

The problem with this forum is that the contextual change immediately gets lost unless both speak in complete sentences. I hate it and it sucks and it inconvenient.

That does not sound like a problem for most adults. Do you find writing in complete sentences hard? It would help if you learned how to do it, seeing as this is a written forum.

Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project
"We estimated an average of 389 000 (uncertainty range 294 000-518000) respiratory deaths were associated with influenza globally each year

Until late 2017, WHO estimated that seasonal influenza was associated with a total of 250 000 to 500 000 deaths from all causes annually

estimated that influenza is associated with 290 000 to 650 000 deaths from respiratory causes alone"

That is with a tried and true flu vaccination as opposed to a extremely new set of vaccines which have potentially unknown side effects

The side effects of the CoViD vaccines are widely known. Beyond that, No - COVID-19 Is Not Just a "Bad Flu." However, do you get an annual flu shot?

2020-2021 figures are oddly NOT available to be cited for the global figures relating to influenza deaths according to the CDC with the exception of the child mortality.

"Since flu deaths in children became nationally notifiable in 2004, reported flu deaths in children had previously ranged from a low of 37 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 199 (during 2019-2020)."

I am skeptical I think it partly confusing Covid with Flu and vice versa.

No one cares what you think. Do you have any evidence to back this up?

Where is your evidence for faithless antagonist?

Do you mean besides the yarn you just told about Don Corona? Honestly, do I have to cite anything else to prove your bad faith intentions?

Also what do you think this means literally?

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That the symptoms were worse....It literally says it right there in the first sentence.

That is your claim, one you have failed to back up. Stop trying to emote your way through this discussion.

The people that gain adverse symptoms and possibly died or lost the ability to breathe unassisted you don't think have worse symptoms or that the vaccine made it possible for the symptoms to get worse?

Again, do you have any evidence that the vaccine made it worse? Remember, no one cares about your feelings about this subject.

Yea its almost like you should argue based on IMPLICATION. Do I have to spell it out for you?

So now we SHOULD argue based on implications?

I said so verbatim so I suppose so this is pointless to continue.

Yet, you will keep mindlessly responding to me because you cannot get enough of me.
 
arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
Wow! You really cannot get enough of me. It is also ironic that you would be in a surgeon's office while bemoaning the evils of a different medical intervention. What say you @ldmitruk?
Needed surgery is entirely different compared to an optional vaccine.
Again if it has no address then it is directed at anyone viewing this thread.
Again, that is not what your source said. It states that people with complications died despite the vaccine, not that it caused complications. Stop lying.
Yes and no. The vaccination caused the blood clots. Without the vaccine no blood clots. Do you blame the cause of the actual harmful effect or the harmful effect that wouldn't exist without cause and potential cause and effect of the vaccine?
What are you fucken talking about? This little yarn bears no relationship with reality. The context was based on Don Corona's failed vaccine rollout and had nothing to do with the medicine he was taking. Instead of just admitting to a mistake, you would rather make up a whole story. The funny thing about this is that you went back and quote-mined yourself about this. The paragraph containing that quote-mine starts with you saying, "Trump didn't have enough time to focus on the rollouts as he wanted to obtain more vaccines and deliver them incomplete with all doses." Are you still wondering why I call you a faithless antagonist when you make up a story instead of admitting to a simple mistake?
Ah then you are a hypocrite.
Nope. Still very relevant.
Irrelevant.
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I have never argued that; I am simply asking you to back up your claim that this is the case. Beyond that, the point would be acting with dignity and humility. So, the other mistakes I pointed out in that paragraph are four people who have died after taking the vaccine that you know, 6K blood clots caused by the vaccine, and you know people who have had to go to the hospital because of the vaccine. Am I to assume that you accept that you were wrong about those and stand corrected?
You continue to argue against it. What does to argue mean? It means to continue to debate it doesn't refer to one side or the other. The simple fact you are disputing that vaccines don't cause complications and kill people potentially is proof enough.
That does not sound like a problem for most adults. Do you find writing in complete sentences hard? It would help if you learned how to do it, seeing as this is a written forum.
Screenshots with included complete context is easier and faster.
Only if it was required to go to school at the time. I haven't taken one for quite some time and still haven't had the flu.
No one cares what you think. Do you have any evidence to back this up?
If no one cares what I think then what are you doing here arguing with me for? Again the CDC says there aren't any globally kept statistics available for comment in the post. Why ask the question when the answer was already provided literally in the same part of the post you are responding to? You are a hypocrite and a liar.
Do you mean besides the yarn you just told about Don Corona? Honestly, do I have to cite anything else to prove your bad faith intentions?
Where is your proof?
That is your claim, one you have failed to back up. Stop trying to emote your way through this discussion.

"According to Dr. Eddie Stenehjem, Infectious Diseases Physician at Intermountain Healthcare, there is some observational data that those who’ve had COVID-19 get pretty symptomatic after their first dose of the COVID-19 shot.

On the other hand, “most people that haven’t had COVID-19, take the first shot, no problem,” he says. “Don’t react, maybe have a sore arm. And then their second shot, they can be symptomatic with fevers, chills, kind of feeling rundown.”"

Potentially yes. After the first shot some get symptomatic. After the second shot the symptoms get worse.
Again, do you have any evidence that the vaccine made it worse? Remember, no one cares about your feelings about this subject.
Addressed above.
So now we SHOULD argue based on implications?
Jesus Christ I illustrated how stupid arguing based on an implication is and you still don't get it.
Yet, you will keep mindlessly responding to me because you cannot get enough of me.
It is quite fun seeing your stupid reaction and ignoring of arguments and evidence.
 
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Frank Han said:
That latest article on the post vaccine myocarditis autopsy analysis

At the point the real cause of postvaccine myocarditis remains unknown, but the immunology community has a few working ideas. While the cause is unknown, the majority of these patients who sustain post-vaccine myocarditis do well, and the treatment regimens for myocarditis have an extremely long track record of safety. Greater collaboration between immunologists, cardiologists, and pathologists could help us get some definitive answers on why this happens and how to decrease the risk in future mRNA vaccination technologies (of which many clinical trials are currently being conducted for other diseases).
 
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Next time you respond, it would behoove you to address these mistakes, errors, and outright lies. You know four people that have died after taking the vaccine, you know someone that died from a blood clot due to the vaccine, claiming the vaccines have caused 6K blood clots, you knowing people that have had to go to the hospital because of the vaccine, people are dying from complications resulting from the vaccine, claiming the two two-doze mRNA vaccines contained a live virus and your complete fabrication about Don Corona to get out of admitting to being wrong about what is in the two two-doze mRNA vaccines. Someone that was here in good faith would not refuse to engage with mistakes they made and would not lie.

Needed surgery is entirely different compared to an optional vaccine.

Different, but still ironic, that you would be in a hospital waiting for modern medical help while at the same time bemoaning the evils of another medical intervention.

Again if it has no address then it is directed at anyone viewing this thread.

Yet, why would anyone read anything you have to say if you do not direct it at them. How many threads have you started with little to no engagement?

Again, that is not what your source said. It states that people with complications died despite the vaccine, not that it caused complications. Stop lying.
Yes and no. The vaccination caused the blood clots. Without the vaccine no blood clots.

Lie. Nowhere in the source you provided does it talk about blood clots. Instead, again, it talks about people dying despite being vaccinated. Stop lying.

Do you blame the cause of the actual harmful effect or the harmful effect that wouldn't exist without cause and potential cause and effect of the vaccine?

Yet your source does not talk about blood clots causing anything. Instead, it talks about people dying despite being vaccinated. Stop lying.

What are you fucken talking about? This little yarn bears no relationship with reality. The context was based on Don Corona's failed vaccine rollout and had nothing to do with the medicine he was taking. Instead of just admitting to a mistake, you would rather make up a whole story. The funny thing about this is that you went back and quote-mined yourself about this. The paragraph containing that quote-mine starts with you saying, "Trump didn't have enough time to focus on the rollouts as he wanted to obtain more vaccines and deliver them incomplete with all doses." Are you still wondering why I call you a faithless antagonist when you make up a story instead of admitting to a simple mistake?
Ah then you are a hypocrite.

How exactly am I a hypocrite for pointing out a blatant fabrication on your part? Do you not know what hypocrite means?

Irrelevant.
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What is irrelevant is the screenshot of your blatant fabrication. All the links that expose your lie are provided at the beginning of this thread. Are you still wondering why I think you are a faithless antagonist?

You continue to argue against it. What does to argue mean? It means to continue to debate it doesn't refer to one side or the other.

I am not. I am simply asking you to back up your claims with evidence. 'Tis a difference.

The simple fact you are disputing that vaccines don't cause complications and kill people potentially is proof enough.

I am the only person here quoting the number of people who have died from the vaccine. Stop lying.

Screenshots with included complete context is easier and faster.


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Only if it was required to go to school at the time. I haven't taken one for quite some time and still haven't had the flu.

So, just free-riding off of others. Why is that not surprising.

If no one cares what I think then what are you doing here arguing with me for?

I am merely pointing out your mistakes and asking you to provide evidence for your claims. Misinformation and disinformation should not go unchallenged.

Again the CDC says there aren't any globally kept statistics available for comment in the post. Why ask the question when the answer was already provided literally in the same part of the post you are responding to? You are a hypocrite and a liar.

Excellent that you know this is nothing more than merely your opinion. Now, if only you would realize that for some of your other opinions and stop trying to pass off your opinion as a fact.

Where is your proof?

At the beginning of this post. It has been at the beginning of most of my posts addressed to you lately.

https://www.abc4.com/coronavirus/will-i-have-worse-covid-19-vaccine-symptoms-if-ive-already-had-the-virus/
"According to Dr. Eddie Stenehjem, Infectious Diseases Physician at Intermountain Healthcare, there is some observational data that those who’ve had COVID-19 get pretty symptomatic after their first dose of the COVID-19 shot.

On the other hand, “most people that haven’t had COVID-19, take the first shot, no problem,” he says. “Don’t react, maybe have a sore arm. And then their second shot, they can be symptomatic with fevers, chills, kind of feeling rundown.”"

Potentially yes. After the first shot some get symptomatic. After the second shot the symptoms get worse.

Potentially? So you are implying this? However, what you are implying does not follow. People are symptomatic after getting the CoViD shot; this is old news. However, nothing about that fact means that people will die from complications due to the vaccine. So again, stop trying to emote your way through this discussion.

Addressed above.

You mean (falsely) implied above.

Jesus Christ I illustrated how stupid arguing based on an implication is and you still don't get it.

Yet you argued based on an implication right above this. If only your actions would line up with your words.

It is quite fun seeing your stupid reaction and ignoring of arguments and evidence.

Projection, but what else would I expect from a faithless antagonist?
 
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Steven Novalla said:
Update on Long COVID

The data we have so far, however, strongly indicates that long COVID is extremely common in those who contract COVID, persisting for at least 3-6 months in about a third of all those infected. The risk of long COVID is greater for those with more severe infections and in vulnerable populations, but they can occur even with mild infections in those who are young and healthy at baseline. Further, long COVID is not merely a subjective persistence of symptoms but can be tied to biological changes in organs, most notably the brain.
 
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I’m struggling with long covid and its no fun at all, my health is poor even mental health is poor. There seeing improvements in mental health because i’m going to a shrink, because of another disease there monitoring my health with questionnaires. If i walk the stairs tired if i sit to long and walk tired, max walking distance 200 meters after that i use to much energy. I’m in a support group for the Dutch people its called c-support, they talk to you what you can do to get better. Think talk to shrink, therapy multiple sources, etc etc. I all ready had that in place so no additional help could be given. Now here it gets interesting in the US and Brazil they did studies with a medications called fluoxetine and fluvoxamine it worked for max 40% of the test group to get more energy and improve there mental health and sleeping issues. You can find the studies if you Google, the studies where done in the US in 2020. Here in the Netherlands i asked about it and no studies are being done and i cant get the medication because its not meant for what i have. So with covid we shared results and made sure we could build upon that, now we are doing testing by country again what takes ages. If testing starts here then it will take at least 18 months until a conclusion is reached. So that is 18 more months of pain and lost in energy.
 
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