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Covid-19 (Coronavirus)

he_who_is_nobody

Well-Known Member
I often wonder if all these people complain about "Big Pharma" would be willing to give up everything they provide besides vaccines. For example if you require surgury all the pain killer's, nerve blockers, anit-biotics etc are also provided by "Big Pharma". Would an anti-vaxxer be willing to uindergo the procedure without is provided for such a procedure other than a bottle of whisky and a leather belt to bite on?

Beyond that, most anti-vaxxers are very pro"Big Pharma." Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and Regeneron are all pharmaceuticals.



Just listen to the list of things Aaron Rodgers paid for and took (4:49) instead of a free vaccine (besides the homeopathy at 2:45).
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member
Typical anti-vax talking point. You realize that the CoViD vaccines are free and are covered by insurance, much like flu vaccines.
Unlike flu vaccines Covid vaccines are far less effective. I have seen many times where Covid vaccinations caused the death of someone and not grant them the entire point of the vaccination which is immunity. Flu vaccinations haven't been known to kill people under complications. Therefore the massive distrust of vaccinations relating to Covid. I'll take my chances.

People are waking up such as the Canuks protest with Trucks. It is odd that the Canadian government doesn't support their right to protest and arrest any who help protestors. These people are protesting covid mandates as a whole not just vaccines.

What other reasons do you think people have mistrust of Covid measures given the frankly brown shirt behavior of governments involved?
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member
Beyond that, most anti-vaxxers are very pro"Big Pharma." Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and Regeneron are all pharmaceuticals.



Just listen to the list of things Aaron Rodgers paid for and took (4:49) instead of a free vaccine (besides the homeopathy at 2:45).

I said I'd take my chances. Which doesn't mean taking either of those drugs. I'm generally against taking drugs to a minimal amount. I.E. relying on your natural immunity to fight off disease or taking things that boost your immunity and have 0 risk of complications such as just proper diet and vitamins.
 

he_who_is_nobody

Well-Known Member
It would behoove you to address the enormous error I pointed out in this post. Otherwise, it appears you are just running from a colossal mistake and hoping no one else will notice it.

Unlike flu vaccines Covid vaccines are far less effective.

Citation needed.

I have seen many times where Covid vaccinations caused the death of someone and not grant them the entire point of the vaccination which is immunity.

Much like your yarns about your brother's CoViD test and your grandmother's reckless behavior, I doubt this is true. The reason for that is because you are just fear-mongering about harm but fail to provide evidence for said harm (a typical anti-vax move). However, we know that not getting vaccinated can lead to hospitalization and death.





Flu vaccinations haven't been known to kill people under complications.

Neither have the CoViD vaccines. Stop lying and fear-mongering.

Therefore the massive distrust of vaccinations relating to Covid. I'll take my chances.

Yes, we are all well aware that you refuse to accept personal responsibility and are willing to pass on a deadly disease to someone else because you have a low risk. Sad.

People are waking up such as the Canuks protest with Trucks. It is odd that the Canadian government doesn't support their right to protest and arrest any who help protestors. These people are protesting covid mandates as a whole not just vaccines.

The Canadian government sucks. They should be allowed to protest.

What other reasons do you think people have mistrust of Covid measures given the frankly brown shirt behavior of governments involved?

Oh, the real reason they are protesting is misinformation and disinformation about masks and vaccines. You know, the things you are trying to spread on this forum.

I said I'd take my chances.

Yes, we are all well aware that you refuse to accept personal responsibility and are willing to pass on a deadly disease to someone else because you have a low risk. Sad.

Which doesn't mean taking either of those drugs. I'm generally against taking drugs to a minimal amount. I.E. relying on your natural immunity to fight off disease or taking things that boost your immunity and have 0 risk of complications such as just proper diet and vitamins.

Do you know what is low risk and will naturally boost your immunity? Vaccines.

Beyond this, you are already benefiting from herd immunity to most diseases if you genuinely refuse to accept modern medicine. However, this behavior is exactly what I would expect from someone who refuses to take personal responsibility for their actions, relying on others well refusing to lend a hand to help.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member
It would behoove you to address the enormous error I pointed out in this post. Otherwise, it appears you are just running from a colossal mistake and hoping no one else will notice it.
I'm not wading through that crap unless the point is made concisely. Claim -> evidence -> point -> quote me.
Citation needed.
People have died due to complications pertaining to Covid vaccinations. I have not heard of 1 instance of flu vaccinations leading to deaths even with complications. If a vaccine can kill you even through complications then that vaccine by default is less effective in its application and intent which is to essentially save you from said ailment it was designed to protect you from.
Much like your yarns about your brother's CoViD test and your grandmother's reckless behavior, I doubt this is true. The reason for that is because you are just fear-mongering about harm but fail to provide evidence for said harm (a typical anti-vax move). However, we know that not getting vaccinated can lead to hospitalization and death.
My body my choice right? Or is the left all of a sudden going to end their own slogans?

Also if you are going to post videos I would provide timestamps and also at least vague references as to why anyone would spend their time watching said content and how it pertains to the subject.
Neither have the CoViD vaccines. Stop lying and fear-mongering.

The CDC would like to have a word with you.

Anaphylaxis is something you can die from and it can be brought about after taking the Covid vaccination and get under complications relating to the vaccines.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) ditto - Blood clots have been reported on for Covid vaccinations although I don't remember which one.

Not a lie a verifiable fact.

Yes, we are all well aware that you refuse to accept personal responsibility and are willing to pass on a deadly disease to someone else because you have a low risk. Sad.
I work at a gun range and school. If you choose to go there knowing full well people aren't wearing masks or taking the vaccination then that is on you. Those things are mostly entirely OPTIONAL and yet people still choose to brave them mask/vaccination or no mask/vaccination. Stop being a drama queen. Life is full of risk and if you are an adult then simply choose to accept the risk or choose not to.
The Canadian government sucks. They should be allowed to protest.
Yes they act as brown shirts and yet they force vaccinations and masks.
Oh, the real reason they are protesting is misinformation and disinformation about masks and vaccines. You know, the things you are trying to spread on this forum.
Not misinformation.
Do you know what is low risk and will naturally boost your immunity? Vaccines.
Also not taking the vaccines. Remember that people gain symptoms to Covid which are very close to the flu or other covid family of viruses sickness. People that generally get sick from Covid and actually have severe symptoms seems to be those that have taken the vaccine or among the at risk categories of people.
Beyond this, you are already benefiting from herd immunity to most diseases if you genuinely refuse to accept modern medicine. However, this behavior is exactly what I would expect from someone who refuses to take personal responsibility for their actions, relying on others well refusing to lend a hand to help.
By definition of herd immunity the lowest mentioned percentage for this to be likely is 63%. 64% supposedly are fully vaccinated with 27% getting boosters. I find it a hard sell to see these figures along with "vaccine boosters to be taken indefinitely" and believe that we have achieved herd immunity in order to benefit from said immunity.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member
The right to protest was always there. Blockading border crossings and downtown Ottwa is another story.
The government has prohibited people to help the protest regardless if they are blockading roadways or not. They are brown shirts and do not support protest. They even made it illegal for funds from a similar go fund me fundraising fund to be used to benefit and fund the protest again regardless if roadways are blocked or not.
 

ldmitruk

Active Member
The government has prohibited people to help the protest regardless if they are blockading roadways or not. They are brown shirts and do not support protest. They even made it illegal for funds from a similar go fund me fundraising fund to be used to benefit and fund the protest again regardless if roadways are blocked or not.
Well you seem to be implying the Canadian government is acting like a certain regime that came to power in Europe during the 1930's. I don't recall seeing huge masses of police descending on the protestors beating them within an inch of thier lives, no water cannon or tear gas used to break up the crowds, or live rounds being fired into the demonstrators.

Once the protestors set up camp, and started harrasing people wearing masks, busniess owners, constaly idling diesel engines, blowing truck horns all day and night, blockading border crossings, which cost Canada several billiion dollars is lost trade, demanding that they be put in power to replace the current government, and disrupting the daily live of thousands of citizens, they crossed the line from peaceful demostration to occupation and illegal activities.

As for the GoFundMe donations, it was GoFundMe that decided the fundraiser was violated its terms of service not the Canadian government. Those funds coming from other platforms are essentially financing what became illegal activities. But, the blocking of finacial transactions is a temporary measure.

Canada is generally a peaceful place and i find your camparison of our government actions to those of brown shirts disgusting. Do you even know understand just how reprisive the actions of the German government in the 1930's was? I don't think so.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member
Well you seem to be implying the Canadian government is acting like a certain regime that came to power in Europe during the 1930's.
Correct they are acting in using power in arbitrary ways - like a tyrant.
I don't recall seeing huge masses of police descending on the protestors beating them within an inch of thier lives, no water cannon or tear gas used to break up the crowds, or live rounds being fired into the demonstrators.
You assume much.
Once the protestors set up camp, and started harrasing people wearing masks, busniess owners, constaly idling diesel engines,
Citation Needed. Also yes vehicles need to idle to run and as they are in public roadway they can let them idle this isn't illegal.
blowing truck horns all day and night,
Not true.


blockading border crossings, which cost Canada several billiion dollars is lost trade,
If other groups can do this then these people should be allowed to do the same. If not then enforce the law uniformly.
demanding that they be put in power to replace the current government,
Citation needed. All I see from the official statement is that they remove Covid mandates.
and disrupting the daily live of thousands of citizens,
Citation needed.
they crossed the line from peaceful demostration to occupation and illegal activities.
2:39


As for the GoFundMe donations, it was GoFundMe that decided the fundraiser was violated its terms of service not the Canadian government. Those funds coming from other platforms are essentially financing what became illegal activities. But, the blocking of finacial transactions is a temporary measure.
It wasn't GoFund me and the account and reason listed directly from the group saying they wouldn't be confrontational and would be used for legal funds on the claim of arrests simply for protesting.
Canada is generally a peaceful place and i find your camparison of our government actions to those of brown shirts disgusting. Do you even know understand just how reprisive the actions of the German government in the 1930's was? I don't think so.
Arbitrary use of power will be referred to as nazilike/tyrant behavior. For example Biden wears blue yet I still call him a brownshirt for various things. Tyrant is a tyrant is a tyrant. No apologies no pearl clutching.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member
Example of brownshirt like behavior. Pay attention to the wording he uses:



Individual essentially arrested and transported to concentration camps for suspected Covid when in fact she has repeatedly tested negative. Then threatened 5k fine even after this entirely pointless use of power.

Literal arrest and abduction without consent to a literal concentration camp.
 

he_who_is_nobody

Well-Known Member
I'm not wading through that crap unless the point is made concisely. Claim -> evidence -> point -> quote me.

I know reading can be challenging, but you really should try it, especially since you keep posting on a written forum. However:

Later on I argue that the vaccine is dangerous due to risk of blood clots citing 6k new cases of blood clots. I think you are conflating sources and reasoning.
Remember when I said I was going to expose confirmation bias from you? I also find it funny that you think I am conflating sources.

You claimed here that there are 6k new cases of blood clots, yet none of your citations state that. This source (Robert Carlson) says, "UPDATE #2: As of 6:30 PM CT on July 21, 2021, the CDC's website stated through July 19, 2021, VAERS had received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. The CDC's webpage's Last Update date reflects July 21, 2021." It does not say anything about blood clots and goes on to state, "Furthermore, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines, says the CDC." So what we have are 6,207 deaths of people after getting a vaccine and nothing establishing that they died from the vaccine.

Now, if we look at your other source (Josh Jarman), "As of early December, more than 16.9 million doses of the J&J's vaccine have been given in the U.S. Of those, the CDC and FDA identified 57 confirmed reports of people who later developed TTS." So, we have 57 cases of blood clots. So we do not have 6k cases of blood clots; we have 57.

Thus, we have 6k cases of people dying after being vaccinated, but nothing linking the vaccine to death. Now, to be charitable to you, I look at this and see your confirmation bias at work. You did a quick Google search, found two article headlines that you thought went into your favor, skimmed them, and got them mixed up in your head—remembering the hits and forgetting the misses. If you misremembered this information this badly, what are the chances that you remember the mask habits of people around you?

And you start to run from this again starting now.

People have died due to complications pertaining to Covid vaccinations.

Citation needed.

I have not heard of 1 instance of flu vaccinations leading to deaths even with complications.

And your shallow research is the be-all-end-all when it comes to that? Again, a citation is needed.

If a vaccine can kill you even through complications then that vaccine by default is less effective in its application and intent which is to essentially save you from said ailment it was designed to protect you from.

Yet you have failed to show that to be the case for any vaccine. Beyond that, one would have to establish that against the risk of dying from the illness it is supposed to protect one against.

My body my choice right? Or is the left all of a sudden going to end their own slogans?

Whoever said you did not have a choice? I am simply pointing out just how selfish that choice is and how it would be made by someone lacking personal responsibility.

Also if you are going to post videos I would provide timestamps and also at least vague references as to why anyone would spend their time watching said content and how it pertains to the subject.

The timestamp is the whole video, and the reason I said to watch them is, "However, we know that not getting vaccinated can lead to hospitalization and death" and providing videos entitled Right-Wing R.I.P. - The Cost of COVID Conspiracy Theories and The Anti-Vax To hospital bed Pipeline | Kat Blaque. Again, work on your reading comprehension. This is an example of making a claim and providing a citation for the said claim. Something you should try to do more.

The CDC would like to have a word with you.

Anaphylaxis is something you can die from and it can be brought about after taking the Covid vaccination and get under complications relating to the vaccines.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) ditto - Blood clots have been reported on for Covid vaccinations although I don't remember which one.

Not a lie a verifiable fact.

Wow, look at that. You provide a citation; however, the points you seem to be making with them are greatly exaggerated.

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination said:
CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

  • Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 5 people per one million vaccinated in the United States. Anaphylaxis, a severe type of allergic reaction, can occur after any kind of vaccination. If it happens, healthcare providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
  • Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. TTS is a rare but serious adverse event that causes blood clots in large blood vessels and low platelets (blood cells that help form clots). As of February 3, 2022, more than 18.2 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 57 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and later developed TTS.

Thus, we have anaphylaxis that can occur with any vaccine, not just the CoViD vaccine, at a rate of 5 to one million. Furthermore, thrombosis is caused by the Johnson & Johnson vaccine at a rate of 57 to 18.2 million, something you should have known if you had taken the time to read your citation. You would have also learned TTS is associated with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine if you had been paying attention to my previous statements. I have long suspected that you are not reading my post. Additionally, I have guessed that you are not reading your sources; the above confirms that you are just skimming the sources you are providing without understanding them and trying to spin them in your favor. Yet as anyone can read from your reference that these are at such a low risk, one is far more likely to die of the CoViD than either of those two things happening. Thus, seeing as how you are trying to spin this in your favor, I think the C.D.C. wants to have a word with you and not me.

I work at a gun range and school.

I doubt that.

Stop being a drama queen. Life is full of risk and if you are an adult then simply choose to accept the risk or choose not to.

True, and we can mitigate our risk and the risk to others. Again, an adult that accepts personal responsibility would understand this. Nothing dramatic about that.

Yes they act as brown shirts and yet they force vaccinations and masks.

Typical anti-vax move to compare vaccines use to Nazism. How boring.

Not misinformation.

Yes, misinformation. Just like you tried to spread above about the risk of anaphylaxis and thrombosis and your illusions to Nazism with the CoViD vaccines.

Do you know what is low risk and will naturally boost your immunity? Vaccines.
Also not taking the vaccines.

No, it will not. Not taking a vaccine means you will not gain immunity until you run into a virus in the wild and survive. This is basic stuff right now.

Remember that people gain symptoms to Covid which are very close to the flu or other covid family of viruses sickness. People that generally get sick from Covid and actually have severe symptoms seems to be those that have taken the vaccine or among the at risk categories of people.

Citation needed.

By definition of herd immunity the lowest mentioned percentage for this to be likely is 63%. 64% supposedly are fully vaccinated with 27% getting boosters. I find it a hard sell to see these figures along with "vaccine boosters to be taken indefinitely" and believe that we have achieved herd immunity in order to benefit from said immunity.

Citations needed.

What does "brown shirt" mean? Please don't say a shirt which is brown.

The anti-vax movement typically tries to vilify anyone pro-vaccine as akin to the Nazis.

This is hilarious:

As for the GoFundMe donations, it was GoFundMe that decided the fundraiser was violated its terms of service not the Canadian government. Those funds coming from other platforms are essentially financing what became illegal activities. But, the blocking of finacial transactions is a temporary measure.

And right under that:

Using power in an arbitrary way like the brown shirts of the nazis of the third reich. For example the Canadian government made it illegal to spread or use the money made from crowd funding site in order to be used on peaceful protest for the freedom convoy.

Who needs facts when one can emote their way through life. Am I right?

Arbitrary use of power will be referred to as nazilike/tyrant behavior. For example Biden wears blue yet I still call him a brownshirt for various things. Tyrant is a tyrant is a tyrant. No apologies no pearl clutching.

Does anyone else remember when the Right would whine about the Left calling them Nazis? However, I think the word you are trying to look for is Authoritarian.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member
I know reading can be challenging, but you really should try it, especially since you keep posting on a written forum. However:
Never conflate challenge with lack of want.
And you start to run from this again starting now.
Run from what exactly? That news sources cite an article and its not true? Fake news presented.
Citation needed.
Already covered in same post.
And your shallow research is the be-all-end-all when it comes to that? Again, a citation is needed.
Ok name someone that has died from flu vaccination or flu vaccination complications then. Again one cannot cite a lack of evidence. I haven't heard of a flu vaccine killing someone like covid ones have and the cdc admit.
Yet you have failed to show that to be the case for any vaccine. Beyond that, one would have to establish that against the risk of dying from the illness it is supposed to protect one against.
If the vaccine kills you that means it isn't very effective in saving you from any disease let alone the one it is designed for now does it?
Whoever said you did not have a choice? I am simply pointing out just how selfish that choice is and how it would be made by someone lacking personal responsibility.
Read that back in reference to the abortion argument and commentary. It will make more sense then.
The timestamp is the whole video, and the reason I said to watch them is, "However, we know that not getting vaccinated can lead to hospitalization and death" and providing videos entitled Right-Wing R.I.P. - The Cost of COVID Conspiracy Theories and The Anti-Vax To hospital bed Pipeline | Kat Blaque. Again, work on your reading comprehension. This is an example of making a claim and providing a citation for the said claim. Something you should try to do more.
You can post videos but only cite a timestamp that is directly related to the most compelling otherwise it is bloat.
Wow, look at that. You provide a citation; however, the points you seem to be making with them are greatly exaggerated.
My claim is that covid vaccinations either through complications or themselves lead to deaths. How is that exaggerated? I haven't specified ratios pertaining to these.
Thus, we have anaphylaxis that can occur with any vaccine, not just the CoViD vaccine, at a rate of 5 to one million. Furthermore, thrombosis is caused by the Johnson & Johnson vaccine at a rate of 57 to 18.2 million, something you should have known if you had taken the time to read your citation. You would have also learned TTS is associated with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine if you had been paying attention to my previous statements. I have long suspected that you are not reading my post. Additionally, I have guessed that you are not reading your sources; the above confirms that you are just skimming the sources you are providing without understanding them and trying to spin them in your favor. Yet as anyone can read from your reference that these are at such a low risk, one is far more likely to die of the CoViD than either of those two things happening. Thus, seeing as how you are trying to spin this in your favor, I think the C.D.C. wants to have a word with you and not me.
No read my arguments back and cite to me where I mentioned that covid vaccinations deaths by complication or whatever is more common compared to just covid. I choose not to get vaccinated to not take those risks period. I carry a firearm to address a very unlikely event statistically but it doesn't prevent me from carrying said firearm as a precaution. No different here.
I doubt that.
Doubt it all you want it has nothing to do with point I was making in that subject.
True, and we can mitigate our risk and the risk to others. Again, an adult that accepts personal responsibility would understand this. Nothing dramatic about that.
You are accepting other risk not just mitigating risk and the covid vaccination complications are very much proof of this. I rather die due to covid a legitimate disease rather than medicine which is flawed. One is far more damning to die from than the other.
You can say boring but you haven't actually addressed the argument so ignored. The argument is they are using arbitrary power. a 5k fine for example to go over to a fence and talk to people testing negative for Corona is arbitrary and stupid. Getting arrested and held even while testing negative is very brown shirt nazi behavior. Very anti freedom and illustrates my point perfectly.
Yes, misinformation. Just like you tried to spread above about the risk of anaphylaxis and thrombosis and your illusions to Nazism with the CoViD vaccines.
Not misinformation. The CDC confirms it is possible and people have died from such complications after taking covid vaccinations. This is a fact and something you don't accept or recognize or address seems to me you are running.
No, it will not. Not taking a vaccine means you will not gain immunity until you run into a virus in the wild and survive. This is basic stuff right now.
Herd immunity is paid for historically by people dying and developing anti bodies specific to those diseases. Vaccines came much later in the human timeline.
Citation needed.
2 seconds google search "herd immunity the lowest mentioned percentage for this to be likely is 63%"

nearest non ad result:


"Therefore, one would need to bring R below 1 to prevent transmission. Even with a R as low as 0.99, we will need at least 60% to 72% herd immunity to “just” cut the transmission chain."

Even worse 60% U.S. is at 60 and above. Still Covid is effective against people as argued by you correct? Clearly covid vaccination not working when ncbi claims 60% vaccination and gaining herd immunity.
Citations needed.
At risk categories of people.


"Having cancer can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."

"Having chronic kidney disease of any stage can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."

"Having chronic liver disease, such as alcohol-related liver disease, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and autoimmune hepatitis, and especially cirrhosis, or scarring of the liver, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."

"Having chronic lung diseases can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."

Stop embarrassing yourself.
Ironically you are the one using emotes to the utmost degree.
Does anyone else remember when the Right would whine about the Left calling them Nazis? However, I think the word you are trying to look for is Authoritarian.
Nazis are authoritarian. I don't get your point.
 

he_who_is_nobody

Well-Known Member
Never conflate challenge with lack of want.

That is the exact comment I would expect from a faithless antagonist.

Run from what exactly? That news sources cite an article and its not true? Fake news presented.

I was curious about how you would try to worm out of this, but I was not expecting something this dumb. The news sources were correct and got the facts right. Unfortunately, you recounted those facts incorrectly (confusing 6K from one with the number of blood cots from the other). Thus, you are running from having to admit a mistake. However, what else would I expect from a faithless antagonist?

Already covered in same post.

No, you did not. Stop lying.

Ok name someone that has died from flu vaccination or flu vaccination complications then. Again one cannot cite a lack of evidence. I haven't heard of a flu vaccine killing someone like covid ones have and the cdc admit.

This is not my claim; thus, I do not have to provide evidence for it. If you wish not to provide proof, stop making claims that need evidence to support them.

If the vaccine kills you that means it isn't very effective in saving you from any disease let alone the one it is designed for now does it?

And yet the risk of that is what? All the citations you have provided have shown the risk to be next to zero when the risk of dying from CoViD is much higher.

Read that back in reference to the abortion argument and commentary. It will make more sense then.

I did. It makes sense in both contexts. Thus, why you are bringing it up now is beyond me.

You can post videos but only cite a timestamp that is directly related to the most compelling otherwise it is bloat.

When I want your opinion on citing evidence, I will ask for it. However, we all know why you are avoiding those videos. You do not want to see the fruits of your labor.

My claim is that covid vaccinations either through complications or themselves lead to deaths. How is that exaggerated? I haven't specified ratios pertaining to these.

Because you are implying that it is as risky (and maybe more dangerous) than not getting vaccinated and ending up with the disease. Do not act like you are not when you keep saying things like:

Unlike flu vaccines Covid vaccines are far less effective. I have seen many times where Covid vaccinations caused the death of someone and not grant them the entire point of the vaccination which is immunity. Flu vaccinations haven't been known to kill people under complications. Therefore the massive distrust of vaccinations relating to Covid. I'll take my chances.

[Emphesis added]

No read my arguments back and cite to me where I mentioned that covid vaccinations deaths by complication or whatever is more common compared to just covid.

I just did. You are doing that implicitly.

I choose not to get vaccinated to not take those risks period.

Wrong. If that were the case, you would not be making flawed arguments against the vaccine. Look at *SD*; they have chosen not to get vaccinated. However, *SD* is not spreading disinformation and misinformation about the vaccines like you. Do you see the difference between someone that chooses not to get vaccinated and someone implying that there is something wrong with the vaccine while not getting vaccinated?

I carry a firearm...

I doubt that.

You can say boring but you haven't actually addressed the argument so ignored.

There is no argument to address—Godwin's law.

The argument is they are using arbitrary power. a 5k fine for example to go over to a fence and talk to people testing negative for Corona is arbitrary and stupid. Getting arrested and held even while testing negative is very brown shirt nazi behavior. Very anti freedom and illustrates my point perfectly.

Citations needed.

Not misinformation. The CDC confirms it is possible and people have died from such complications after taking covid vaccinations. This is a fact and something you don't accept or recognize or address seems to me you are running.

As if we needed more proof that you are trying to imply something about the danger of the vaccine while downplaying the threat of the disease. Beyond that, I am the only one quoting the numbers from the CDC about the risk related to anaphylaxis and thrombosis, so what exactly am I running from?

Herd immunity is paid for historically by people dying and developing anti bodies specific to those diseases. Vaccines came much later in the human timeline.

What? You realize that if someone dies, they cannot develop antibodies. You also recognize that preventing death through vaccines is the reason for getting vaccinated in the first place, right? As you point out, without vaccines, reaching herd immunity (if we ever reach it) comes at a high cost to life. Vaccines prevent those high deaths. Beyond that, no shit vaccines are much later in our timeline, so is running water, electricity, and the internet. You are not that smart, are you?

2 seconds google search "herd immunity the lowest mentioned percentage for this to be likely is 63%"

nearest non ad result:

Herd Immunity to COVID-19
"Therefore, one would need to bring R below 1 to prevent transmission. Even with a R as low as 0.99, we will need at least 60% to 72% herd immunity to “just” cut the transmission chain."

Even worse 60% U.S. is at 60 and above. Still Covid is effective against people as argued by you correct? Clearly covid vaccination not working when ncbi claims 60% vaccination and gaining herd immunity.

That is due to new varieties emerging. But unfortunately, that also means that herd immunity ("natural" or vaccinated), much like with the flu, may never be reached for the CoViD.

At risk categories of people.

"Having cancer can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."

"Having chronic kidney disease of any stage can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."

"Having chronic liver disease, such as alcohol-related liver disease, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and autoimmune hepatitis, and especially cirrhosis, or scarring of the liver, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."

"Having chronic lung diseases can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19."

Stop embarrassing yourself.

How am I embarrassing myself when all you have done is provide quotes talking about people in high-risk groups having a much higher risk of dying from CoViD? You are not reading your sources, are you? The people at high risk are why you should get vaccinated, to help prevent them from ever being exposed to it. But you are selfish and refuse to accept personal responsibility; you will not help them out.

Ironically you are the one using emotes to the utmost degree.

Perhaps, but I am also the only one providing citations that agree with my statements.

Nazis are authoritarian. I don't get your point.

Godwin's law. Just trying to help you out, boomer, so you will not look so cringy when talking to people on the internet. That is beyond the fact that you are trivializing what happened to countless Jewish, Romanian, LGBTQ, and disabled people when comparing them to a bunch of cry baby truckers.
 

ldmitruk

Active Member
Correct they are acting in using power in arbitrary ways - like a tyrant.

You assume much.
As you have commented, citation needed,
Citation Needed.
See below.
Also yes vehicles need to idle to run and as they are in public roadway they can let them idle this isn't illegal.
Why do vehicles need to idle if they are parked all day? Not to mention it's against the city by-laws, depending on the temperatures.
Not true.
I beg to differ and so the residents of Ottawa effected by noise. And another article.


If other groups can do this then these people should be allowed to do the same. If not then enforce the law uniformly.

You have no idea how hard some other protesters have been dealt with in the past.
Citation needed. All I see from the official statement is that they remove Covid mandates.
From the Gardian and straight from the horses mouth, although they have now backed away from this document. However there are still people at the blockade with those goals.
Citation needed.
Economic disruption. Social services disruption. People trying to go about their daily lives. Desecration of national monuments.
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It wasn't GoFund me and the account and reason listed directly from the group saying they wouldn't be confrontational and would be used for legal funds on the claim of arrests simply for protesting.

It was GoFundMe in the first week and other sources after that. Also the first disbursment of moneys from GoFundMe, before they shut the fundraising down, was for fuel.
Arbitrary use of power will be referred to as nazilike/tyrant behavior. For example Biden wears blue yet I still call him a brownshirt for various things. Tyrant is a tyrant is a tyrant. No apologies no pearl clutching.
I suspect you think any government action you don't agree with is tyrannical.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member
That is the exact comment I would expect from a faithless antagonist.
Where is this coming from? A groundless assumption I see very good. Something I would expect just from you or people like you.
I was curious about how you would try to worm out of this, but I was not expecting something this dumb. The news sources were correct and got the facts right. Unfortunately, you recounted those facts incorrectly (confusing 6K from one with the number of blood cots from the other). Thus, you are running from having to admit a mistake. However, what else would I expect from a faithless antagonist?
You make it sound like a faithless antagonist is a bad thing.
No, you did not. Stop lying.
Ironically yes it was covered in the same post. Get over yourself.
This is not my claim; thus, I do not have to provide evidence for it. If you wish not to provide proof, stop making claims that need evidence to support them.
K but you can't name a single case of the flu vaccine killing someone either directly or indirectly correct? Thank you.
And yet the risk of that is what? All the citations you have provided have shown the risk to be next to zero when the risk of dying from CoViD is much higher.
The symptoms of Covid are much much worse after taking the vaccine and lets say you enter the category of at risk persons I spoke about then your chances of dying or lasting damage from Covid is higher. I know people who have taken the vaccine and immediately felt sick and again had to be hospitalized and given adrenaline therapy in order to overcome the effects. I also know people whom have died due to the vaccinations creating blood clots. I know zero people whom have died from Covid. The military people that I work with forced to take the vaccine and then caught it and been hospitalized tell it best. The government screwed them meanwhile I don't wear a mask and haven't been vaccinated and have never had covid or damage relating to it.
I did. It makes sense in both contexts. Thus, why you are bringing it up now is beyond me.
If it is my body the vaccine is entering then I have a right under the same claim as the pro abortion people. It should be supported by the left but tyrannical and arbitrary actions remain.
However, we all know why you are avoiding those videos. You do not want to see the fruits of your labor.
Or maybe I don't want to waste my time watching videos all day and maybe I send timestamps to make a direct point thereby not wasting any time relative to watching the entire video with their stupid intros and their personal spin on what happened as opposed to what actually happened.
Because you are implying that it is as risky (and maybe more dangerous) than not getting vaccinated and ending up with the disease. Do not act like you are not when you keep saying things like:
Implication is a funny thing because when you do this and claim I made an argument via an implication it is really easy to just disprove you as nonse of what you presented actually proves your claim of being more dangerous. Quote me where I said taking the vaccine was more dangerous? Could it possibly be that I just don't want to risk dying stupidly by taking a vaccine designed to help me and it instead of helping me by design actually kills me like the people I have known? It is about a slight that the vaccine brings inherently into the argument where a medicine killed you is so deliciously ironic that I rather take my chances. Haven't caught covid haven't taken the vaccine. Most of the people I know who took the vaccine got messed up and sick and required therapy and 4 have died. Zero of the people that didn't take it died and some of had covid multiple times (tested positive) with mild symptoms like the cold and got over it in a few days. You'd be a fool to ignore what has actually happened to your personal friends and what their widows have told you.
I just did. You are doing that implicitly.
You thinking I am implying something and it actually not being the case would be a strawman. What am I implying specifically?
Wrong. If that were the case, you would not be making flawed arguments against the vaccine. Look at *SD*; they have chosen not to get vaccinated. However, *SD* is not spreading disinformation and misinformation about the vaccines like you. Do you see the difference between someone that chooses not to get vaccinated and someone implying that there is something wrong with the vaccine while not getting vaccinated?
What is the misinformation that has been claimed about the vaccine that I personally have made?
I doubt that.
Off topic but yes very much so. Been doing so for over a decade in fact.

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There is no argument to address—Godwin's law.
No that has been my argument from the get go. Boo restrictions they are arbitrary uses of power in these cases therefore authoritarian like Nazis.
Citations needed.
Literally posted in this very thread. You are just blind.
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As if we needed more proof that you are trying to imply something about the danger of the vaccine while downplaying the threat of the disease. Beyond that, I am the only one quoting the numbers from the CDC about the risk related to anaphylaxis and thrombosis, so what exactly am I running from?
Imply blah blah blah implication whine whine whine. You need to actually argue against something I am actually arguing.
What? You realize that if someone dies, they cannot develop antibodies. You also recognize that preventing death through vaccines is the reason for getting vaccinated in the first place, right? As you point out, without vaccines, reaching herd immunity (if we ever reach it) comes at a high cost to life. Vaccines prevent those high deaths. Beyond that, no shit vaccines are much later in our timeline, so is running water, electricity, and the internet. You are not that smart, are you?
The antibodies you are talking about that vaccines produce also produce risk unto themselves and frankly the one of the major points I am making and still continuing to make against your own stupidity and ignorance and throwing strawmen is that A) Dying due even a related status from a vaccine is utterly retarded and I'd rather take my chances with Covid as I have been doing since the start and B) it should be people's choice and not mandated. Anything else I can think of in the moment and it is entirely in your own delusional brain - or in other words and impliciation you think I am making.
That is due to new varieties emerging. But unfortunately, that also means that herd immunity ("natural" or vaccinated), much like with the flu, may never be reached for the CoViD.
Which my statement of boosters being a racket gains in legitimacy. They are making heaps of money over boosters insurance or not they still get those funds.
How am I embarrassing myself when all you have done is provide quotes talking about people in high-risk groups having a much higher risk of dying from CoViD? You are not reading your sources, are you? The people at high risk are why you should get vaccinated, to help prevent them from ever being exposed to it. But you are selfish and refuse to accept personal responsibility; you will not help them out.
They can go to places which require masks and I will continue to go to places who have no such requirement. That is part of THEIR choice and THEIR responsibility not mine. If it is really so important then vote with your feet. Go live in a liberal state that does that crap. Hell move to Canada or Australia where they fine you 5k and arrest you and put you in literal concentration camps even after you have tested negative. You are not listening and it is clear you haven't picked up on what I am actually arguing for you just have your head you know where and think by default I probably think we should destroy the vaccines or some shit - jesus. Look at me picking up implications I pulled a "you".
Perhaps, but I am also the only one providing citations that agree with my statements.
Hahahahahahahaha Whatever dude. Keep pulling those mental gymnastics.


Godwin's law. Just trying to help you out, boomer, so you will not look so cringy when talking to people on the internet. That is beyond the fact that you are trivializing what happened to countless Jewish, Romanian, LGBTQ, and disabled people when comparing them to a bunch of cry baby truckers.
You are pathetic dude. You think I am doing something then annoying put in citations needed then do mental gymnastics to argue something I haven't actually argued. Yes Australia is ran by a bunch of crazy Authoritarian douchbags when you consider the source already posted in post 255 you somehow didn't catch and claim I didn't post. This is ridiculous and so are you.
 
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