Led Zeppelin
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I think that, sometimes it can be hard to understand things because the world is so messed up.
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There has been more gun controls implemented post ratification of the Constitution though in certain ways have been relaxed.The biggest reason why we (the people of so many other Western countries) bash Americans is probably the presence of guns and how the U.S handles gun control. Most countries of the world seem to have enacted tighter since laws since the 2nd amendment was ratified, so have there been any attempts in the U.S to repeal this amendment, and who turned them down and on what basis?
No false. We carry firearms to answer against any threat to serious bodily harm. Weapon present or no weapon present - doesn't really matter. We or I are concerned about the sharp increase in violent crime in general. That is why the most common reason cited at an FFL to obtain firearm is generally defense. The violent crime rate in my locale has tripled. I have been attacked and had to draw my firearm in self defense against a knife attack specifically. The reason I prevailed was due to a firearm and keeping a vehicle between me and the threat to prevent him from gaining ground to actually cut me.Personal opinion, I don't get the gun culture. I see no good reason to carry a gun around all the time, expecting that I might have to shoot somebody out of self-defence.
Although this is perhaps a cultural bias I have. Especially when you are living in a country where practically nobody else has a gun. It's kind of a cycle. When you promote gun carrying, you make people more nervous about others having guns who could shoot you, so you promote more gun carrying out of fear that others might shoot you, etc.
No even during the days of the founders automatic firearms were already in existence. The problem was reliability and cost of such firearms or other projectile firing weapons. The concept isn't new regarding repeating firearms or having an action that would enable semi automatic or fully automatic fire. The problem is making a system that is cost effective to be common place and reliable considering black powder and the problems such a dirty powder brings.The information I do have is how rare gun homicide and gunshot injuries are in countries with tighter gun laws, like Canada and many European countries, Australia (my country) and New Zealand.
Could sheriffs recommend guns for law-abiding people to protect them from gangs that also have guns?
Worse still, many Americans, even gang members, often carry around guns like automatic rifles which didn't yet exist when the 2nd amendment was ratified.
No false. We carry firearms to answer against any threat to serious bodily harm. Weapon present or no weapon present - doesn't really matter. We or I are concerned about the sharp increase in violent crime in general. That is why the most common reason cited at an FFL to obtain firearm is generally defense. The violent crime rate in my locale has tripled. I have been attacked and had to draw my firearm in self defense against a knife attack specifically. The reason I prevailed was due to a firearm and keeping a vehicle between me and the threat to prevent him from gaining ground to actually cut me.
Considering I work at a gun dealer and I still train with firearms specifically my Glock 19 I can draw and get first shot on target @ 10 yards center mass in about 1.3 seconds. I also wear concealed body armor while not working and rifle rated armor while working. Even if the thug had a firearm I still would be a great advantage NOT a disadvantage. Criminals in the U.S. and elsewhere are notorious for being lousy shots. I don't have that problem and could have easily killed him if pressed beyond him getting beyond my barrier.It's just a vicious cycle though, because the wide availability of guns means every petty thief can own one. I have no idea why you were so 'lucky' to be confronted by a knife carrier, but now imagine if he'd started by pulling a gun on you. Unless you have fastest gun-slinger in the West fantasies, I think we both know how that would've gone down.
The violent crime you refer to is itself partly a product of the widespread availability of guns. I've lived in over a dozen countries, none of which had general public availability of guns, and I've never had a gun pulled on me or anyone I know. Of course, I can't say the same about my American friends. Violent crime is not good, and I do understand and acknowledge your right to protect yourself from those who would do you harm, but at the same time, you have to acknowledge that wide availability of guns is a kind of force multiplier - if I was a burglar in the UK, I could generally consider myself safe to go unarmed and punch my way out of trouble... but if I am a burglar in the US, I know I have to be tooled up just to ensure I have at least power parity with a gun-toting homeowner. This is further reflected in a police force which is so sensitive to the fact that anyone they stop can have a gun that they treat everyone as possible mortal threats with deadly results.
Considering I work at a gun dealer and I still train with firearms specifically my Glock 19 I can draw and get first shot on target @ 10 yards center mass in about 1.3 seconds.
If firearms are linked to firearms availability how do you explain the U.S. NOT being number 1 in terms of gun deaths or gun homicides or even gun crime given the numbers and the lax gun controls?
What the fuck, are you nuts?I also wear concealed body armor while not working
As an American and a former "pro gun guy" I want to say that I think this quote from Sparhafoc is one of many I have seen on this forum which demonstrates his accurate understanding of the reality involved concerning firearms in the US.It's just a vicious cycle though, because the wide availability of guns means every petty thief can own one. I have no idea why you were so 'lucky' to be confronted by a knife carrier, but now imagine if he'd started by pulling a gun on you. Unless you have fastest gun-slinger in the West fantasies, I think we both know how that would've gone down.
The violent crime you refer to is itself partly a product of the widespread availability of guns. I've lived in over a dozen countries, none of which had general public availability of guns, and I've never had a gun pulled on me or anyone I know. Of course, I can't say the same about my American friends. Violent crime is not good, and I do understand and acknowledge your right to protect yourself from those who would do you harm, but at the same time, you have to acknowledge that wide availability of guns is a kind of force multiplier - if I was a burglar in the UK, I could generally consider myself safe to go unarmed and punch my way out of trouble... but if I am a burglar in the US, I know I have to be tooled up just to ensure I have at least power parity with a gun-toting homeowner. This is further reflected in a police force which is so sensitive to the fact that anyone they stop can have a gun that they treat everyone as possible mortal threats with deadly results.
No I just train and use a shot timer. Grow up.Oops, my mistake: you were engaging in a fastest gun-slinger in the West fantasy. How thoroughly unsurprising.
You so far only argued that guns are the issue you haven't argued any other point. So yes from what I have seen your argument is sloppy.Certainly I wouldn't be so sloppy in my thinking to assert that only one variable is relevant.
Ah so it is wrong to be confident in your ability to defend yourself - I see. Also that soft armor is spike rated so it would be protection from pistols 44 mag and under and on top of that being stabbed as firearms are NOT the only threat out there and statistically the most common in crime.feel contentment by carrying deadly weapons and wearing physical protection in case of being shot yourself is just as hard for me to empathize with.
Considering the violent crime rate has tripled currently compared to pre corona you would be nuts not to arm up. I've already been attacked with a knife and I was glad to have both pistol and body armor. It really limits the effect the criminal has over you and frankly the body armor is current technology and is part of an undershirt system. Just looking at me and you wouldn't be able to tell I was wearing body armor.What the fuck, are you nuts?
No I just train and use a shot timer. Grow up.
You so far only argued that guns are the issue you haven't argued any other point.
So yes from what I have seen your argument is sloppy.
Ah so it is wrong to be confident in your ability to defend yourself - I see.
Violent crime is not good, and I do understand and acknowledge your right to protect yourself from those who would do you harm
Also that soft armor is spike rated so it would be protection from pistols 44 mag and under and on top of that being stabbed as firearms are NOT the only threat out there and statistically the most common in crime.
It is more complicated than that as you typically DO NOT draw on the drop. I watch hundreds of self defense videos. Sometimes you actually win even if you do draw on the drop sometimes you don't criminals are notorious poor shots but they are individuals. You watch for an opportunity to where their attention is off you then you draw while at the same time moving and then shooting. We do see videos of this working for people in a defensive shoot.And it's 'grown up' to believe that you can outdraw a bad guy intent on harming you if he's already pointing a gun at you?
Stop ad hom and get to the point. Also this comment is very sloppy it doesn't address the argument and it just makes you look like you don't have any other arguments someone other an insult. Also yes your North Korean argument is sloppy.It's a little boy's fantasy. It's one I hear very often from Americans who fetishize their guns.
This is a dumb fallacious argument. No one has tried to stab you.I wear a t-shirt, yet I seem immune to being stabbed or shot despite having lived in a dozen countries.
So would you say guns are widely available in Mexico? Keep in mind there is one federally owned and operated gun store in Mexico that you are allowed to buy from. Yet they have a higher gun homicide rate than the U.S.. Also crime has to do with intent as Mexicos gun laws do nothing to reduce gun crime.It's almost as if there's some kind of link between the availability of guns and the likelihood of encountering someone pointing a gun at you.
Mexico is a whole other story. Their judicial system and police force are far too corrupt to for you to use it to prove your point.So would you say guns are widely available in Mexico? Keep in mind there is one federally owned and operated gun store in Mexico that you are allowed to buy from. Yet they have a higher gun homicide rate than the U.S.. Also crime has to do with intent as Mexicos gun laws do nothing to reduce gun crime.
Probably has a bit to do with how one uses their brain too.I wear a t-shirt, yet I seem immune to being stabbed or shot despite having lived in a dozen countries. Weird huh? It's almost as if there's some kind of link between the availability of guns and the likelihood of encountering someone pointing a gun at you.