Discussion on the most notorious section of the U.S constitution

Myrtonos

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The biggest reason why we (the people of so many other Western countries) bash Americans is probably the presence of guns and how the U.S handles gun control. Most countries of the world seem to have enacted tighter since laws since the 2nd amendment was ratified, so have there been any attempts in the U.S to repeal this amendment, and who turned them down and on what basis?
 
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We are Borg

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If you look at Aron Ra video’s you see why the rest of the world thinks about the USA. Because religion is being introduced into schools it becomes dangerous as country, because at that point you do not train your children to think critical and you lose minds and with that ideas.
 

Nesslig20

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Personal opinion, I don't get the gun culture. I see no good reason to carry a gun around all the time, expecting that I might have to shoot somebody out of self-defence.

Although this is perhaps a cultural bias I have. Especially when you are living in a country where practically nobody else has a gun. It's kind of a cycle. When you promote gun carrying, you make people more nervous about others having guns who could shoot you, so you promote more gun carrying out of fear that others might shoot you, etc.
 
I am pretty sure religion has had no place in our government schools since at least the mid 1980's. Universities in the US were generally founded by religious (Christian) organizations. But that was a long time ago.

Last Friday, 100 people were shot in Chicago. 100 people. Thats pretty normal for a weekend in Chicago. Violent crime is a big problem in many parts of the US. It is mostly gangs and blacks comiting crimes against other black people. When I was 12, an older gang member gave me and a couple other of my friends some cocaine and made one of my friends shoot somebody. I was addicted to cocaine for a long time after that. Legal gun owners are not going out and shooting 100's of people each weekend.

In a perfect world, I might support a total ban on guns in the US, even though I knew millions of criminals would still have them, but I have no confidence in our police or our judicial system. The police seem more interested putting people in handcuffs and them beating the shit out of them for no reason then anything else. Maybe they will shoot some unarmed people or impose fines against middle class Americans for normal behavior.
 
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Although this is perhaps a cultural bias I have. Especially when you are living in a country where practically nobody else has a gun. It's kind of a cycle. When you promote gun carrying, you make people more nervous about others having guns who could shoot you, so you promote more gun carrying out of fear that others might shoot you, etc.
I think this is also a very good point. Still I have to say that in the US, I think it's pretty obvious that our police and our government officials are not really trustworthy and generally do not have our best interests at hand and I don't really feel it would a good thing if they were allowed to disarm all law abiding gun owners. Much of the US is a mess right now just because people are tired of our broken judicial system and aggressive police policies. It's a fucked up situation.
 

Myrtonos

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What exactly has the role of Christianity to do with guns? There are other Christian countries, like Ireland, which appear to handle gun control just as most other countries do.
But does anyone here know of any attempts over the years to repeal the 2nd amendment?

Last Friday, 100 people were shot in Chicago. 100 people. Thats pretty normal for a weekend in Chicago.
Most countries freeze when even one person gets shot within their borders. Here in Australia, even such a gunshot in New Zealand is big news.
 
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What exactly has the role of Christianity to do with guns? There are other Christian countries, like Ireland, which appear to handle gun control just as most other countries do.
There is nothing about Christianity which requires ownership of guns or to advocate the for the right to own them. In my entire life, no other Christian has ever told me I should have a gun or anything like that. Personally I know more Atheists that own guns than I do Christians that own them. But most of my family and friends are Atheist.

Most countries freeze when even one person gets shot within their borders. Here in Australia, even such a gunshot in New Zealand is big news.
I am not an expert. But I am pretty sure most of the murders in the US are the result of black people killing other blacks. I think the problem never gets solved because the people who claim they are trying to help stop this problem probably actually benefit from the problem.
 

Myrtonos

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There is nothing about Christianity which requires ownership of guns or to advocate the for the right to own them.
I'm not sure there is anything about any theist religion "which requires ownership of guns or to advocate the for the right to own them". Note that there are religions without gods, so being atheist doesn't mean irreligious.
I am not an expert. But I am pretty sure most of the murders in the US are the result of black people killing other blacks.
Yes, African-Americans with guns taking down others of their race.
 

Myrtonos

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A lot of Americans with guns think they need them to protect themselves against even their own government. Remember the start of this thread. I'm not sure this is a mindset in any other democratic country.
 
A lot of Americans with guns think they need them to protect themselves against even their own government.
Maybe.

To stay on topic, as an American I am not even sure what the legal process would involve to void the 2nd amendment. But as far as I know there has never been a serious attempt to repeal it. Why do you ask?
 
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Myrtonos

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Why do I ask? Come on, surely you know most other countries have tighter guns laws than are constitutional in the U.S, and in these countries, they are generally supported. So the U.S constitution has blocked such laws from being passed in the U.S.

There even seem to be more celebrity assassinations in the U.S than in any of those countries with tighter gun laws.
 
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Why do I ask? Come on, surely you know most other countries have tighter guns laws than are constitutional in the U.S, and in these countries, they are generally supported. So the U.S constitution has blocked such laws from being passed in the U.S.

There even seem to be more celebrity assassinations in the U.S than in any of those countries with tighter gun laws.
Do you have any information on how often crime is stopped by legal gun owners in the the US? Do you know how criminal gangs obtain weapons? Do you have an idea of an effective method of disarming criminal gangs and ensuring they will not be able to re-arm themselves? What is your understanding of the criminal justice system in the US and of the role it has in crime prevention? What argument do you have against sheriffs who recommend that law abiding people should be armed?
 

Myrtonos

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The information I do have is how rare gun homicide and gunshot injuries are in countries with tighter gun laws, like Canada and many European countries, Australia (my country) and New Zealand.
Could sheriffs recommend guns for law-abiding people to protect them from gangs that also have guns?

Worse still, many Americans, even gang members, often carry around guns like automatic rifles which didn't yet exist when the 2nd amendment was ratified.
 
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