WLC, drcraigvideos, and Sociopathy

[Prolescum]

Yes, and I wouldn't involve myself in such a futile discussion; my understanding of English is relatively mature.

As is mine.

Going purely on this thread alone your grasp is shaky at best. The OP is nebulous and your responses are non-sequiturs pasted over gibberish.

Also, philosophy was one of my favourite subjects at university, although I only took one undergraduate course in it (Cultural and Ethical Values).

I do not care nor see why you thought it prudent to mention.

What? Seriously, explain yourself.

Well, anyone who does not speak up against suffering rings alarm bells in my mind.

What the flying fuck are you saying? Until now I've been silent on the topic of cheese; does that suggest I'm lactose intolerant? What the fuck kind of...

You know what? I'm just going to leave you to have this stupid nonsensical conversation on your own.

...so? What point are you failing to make with this thread, and besides the peripherally obvious, what relevance does the above have to what's been said so far?

Well, WLC and drcraigvideos have demonstrated psychopathic behaviour both online and IRL.

So have you if this thread is used to judge.

If you cast aspersions upon me again I will refrain from being so very kind.

My apologies; that was most certainly not my intention.

Yes it was.

But substitute "suffering" for "evil" and my point remains.

What does this have to do with anything??

QED what? Your initial point seems to be (although it's by no means clear) that because someone has gone to the effort of some armchair analysis (and you personally diagnose him as sociopathic) this is grounds for suing him. Then you suggest and I quote: Let's start a fund to sue drcraigvideos into prison. What do the DMCAs of drcraigvideos have to do with the "analysis" of WLC? Is it even established that they are the same person? What qualifies you to either consider a legal case or proclaim him a sociopath?

What the Bob Monkhouse are you going on about?

Succinctly please.

Fundies have been flouting DMCAs for years. It's high time one of them was made an example of.

And YOU are going to do what exactly? Call random people poe then respond - in a manner that suggests your honour is being impugned - to fully imagined conversations? Well Billy "the fucking cattle thief" Sharpe and his very short wife. Nice tactics.

And drcraigvideos doesn't seem to care about anything but his own suffering, or WLC's suffering.

:facepalm:

Probably won't be back to this retarded, stammering thread.

 

[AyameTan]

So you're a sociopath, or at least criminally-minded. What the fuck is wrong with you? WLC is a jackass, but being a jackass isn't a criminal offense. Saying things that you don't like isn't a criminal offense, and neither is exercising free speech and freedom of religion.

HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT ME. We've never met. All you have to go on are my messages here, on the League of Reason.

Never have I claimed that BOTH WLC and drcraigvideos have committed crimes. I have stated that drcraigvideos is a criminal (as his false DMCAs have revealed).

Therefore, he should be punished proportionately.

There's something seriously wrong with you, the least of which is that you don't get that your threats and accusations against Craig and that YouTube channel are potentially criminal under the same wackaloon theory that you'd use against them.

How so? While it's not a crime to be a psychopath or sociopath, hurting others because of it are crimes.

And when one believes that Might makes Right, as WLC and his cronies do, they don't give two hoots about truth or democracy; only fiat.

 

[Welshidiot]

@ AyameTan

If the entity known as "drcraigvideos" has filed false DMCA claims, then the injured parties should file counter notices. That is the appropriate course of action.

On examination of drcraigvideos' Youtube channel I can see no evidence that said channel is in actual fact owned by Dr. William Lane Craig. In fact I have found a small disclaimer in the "About Me" section saying: "Just a fan of Dr. William Lane Craig's."

Here is a link to the above mentioned channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/drcraigvideos

Moving on......you said the following:

.........I cannot simply stand by while sociopathic charlatans legalise torture.........

Who is it that has "legalised" torture in this instance?

 

[AyameTan]

@ AyameTan

If the entity known as "drcraigvideos" has filed false DMCA claims, then the injured parties should file counter notices. That is the appropriate course of action.

On examination of drcraigvideos' Youtube channel I can see no evidence that said channel is in actual fact owned by Dr. William Lane Craig. In fact I have found a small disclaimer in the "About Me" section saying: "Just a fan of Dr. William Lane Craig's."

Here is a link to the above mentioned channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/drcraigvideos

Moving on......you said the following:

.........I cannot simply stand by while sociopathic charlatans legalise torture.........

Who is it that has "legalised" torture in this instance?

I have never suggested that they were the same person.

I did list symptoms that I observed among both of them, and I apologise for not being clear enough.

Social conservatives and pro-lifers have legalised torture whenever they pass laws against assisted dying. It really is that simple.

And drcraigvideos accused Theo Warner about being a child rapist on his blog, right here:

http://theowarner.blogspot.com/2010/12/if-i-was-lying-about-theo-warner-why.html

 

[Prolescum]

So you're a sociopath, or at least criminally-minded. What the fuck is wrong with you? WLC is a jackass, but being a jackass isn't a criminal offense. Saying things that you don't like isn't a criminal offense, and neither is exercising free speech and freedom of religion.

HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT ME. We've never met.

It's alright for you to do it to others though, yes? One presumes you've never met either WLC or drcraigvideos, yet here we are discussing your unqualified assertions about two people you don't know.

All you have to go on are my messages here, on the League of Reason.

Lol, this site sits in a vacuum on its own personal web.

Speaking of the web, it brings up some interesting items, actually. Like where you say:

AyameTan[/url]"]WLC chose to be a callous dick with no compassion whatsoever.

Turns out he can in fact recognise morality and make moral decisions... How very sociopathic of him.

Or how about when you seem to feel comfortable with like-minded people?

AyameTan[/url]"]drcraigvideos doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to do anything other than fellate his mentor and hero, and repeat his lies and platitudes.

Nice.

Never have I claimed that BOTH WLC and drcraigvideos have committed crimes.

Yes you did... WITH YOUR SILENCE!

I have stated that drcraigvideos is a criminal (as his false DMCAs have revealed).

Therefore, he should be punished proportionately.

Er, didn't you say Let's start a fund to sue drcraigvideos into prison. A jail term (somehow via a lawsuit) for false copyright claims? Proportionate? :lol:

I have never suggested that they were the same person.

Yes you did... Here's an example of where you've conflated the two:

Well, yeah, I agree that I was giving WLC oxygen. My apologies for not being clearer.

Unfortunately, I'm an Aspie, and I cannot simply stand by while sociopathic charlatans legalise torture and brush off suffering as a "slight momentary affliction" and/or make appeals to afterlife compensation.

Let's start a fund to sue drcraigvideos into prison.

In fact, you make lots of unwarranted suggestions, like:

Prolescum, are you a Poe?

Oh what's this...?

AyameTan[/url]"]Please be Poe.

Interesting technique you have...

I did list symptoms that I observed among both of them

Perhaps we should compare your behaviour across the internet against the list... Scary prospect, eh.

Social conservatives and pro-lifers have legalised torture whenever they pass laws against assisted dying.

Most countries in the world have legislation against assisted dying. Are we all guilty of torture, then?

It really is that simple.

Nothing is simple. Well, sometimes people are.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Dude, seriously? You need to turn off your computer and cancel your internet for a few months if you think it is criminal behavior to post YT videos that you disagree with. Grow up already.

 

[Prolescum]

I don't think we're True atheistsâ„¢ , Joe.

 

[australopithecus]

Wow, this was a load on nonsense I could have done without reading....

 

[Prolescum]

Sorry... :|

 

[australopithecus]

Not you or Joe, you've been surprising restrained for which I commend you both. However the thread is as useless as a contraceptive dispenser in a nunnery. I'm not sure what the OP is trying to do but it's really not working.

 

[Welshidiot]

I have never suggested that they were the same person.

You haven't been very clear as to who you're talking about when you make your accusations. Your approach would appear to be of the scatter-gun variety.

I did list symptoms that I observed among both of them, and I apologise for not being clear enough.

Even if you are a professional (as opposed to amateur) psychologist or psychiatrist, you have as yet to perform a proper clinical evaluation of the entity known as drcraigvideos. Until you have conducted a proper clinical evaluation of said entity, your pronouncements are nothing more than highly emotive opinions.

Social conservatives and pro-lifers have legalised torture whenever they pass laws against assisted dying. It really is that simple.

Has drcraigvideos passed these laws? Or was it William Lane Craig? Who is it that you're railing against now?

BTW, are we really meant to be impressed by your aversion to injustice and torture?
I'm averse to injustice and torture,.....practically everyone I know is averse to injustice and torture,.........an aversion to injustice and torture is pretty much a universal human characteristic.

What makes you think you deserve special praise?

And drcraigvideos accused Theo Warner about being a child rapist on his blog, right here:

http://theowarner.blogspot.com/2010/12/if-i-was-lying-about-theo-warner-why.html

So let me get this straight,......drcraigvideos has filed false DMCAs, and has also started a hate/smear campaign against Theo Warner.

Hmmmm, it seems to me that you have a good case against drcraigvideos........so why are you here posting psychobabble instead of actually starting legal proceedings?

BTW, this needs to be said:

Fundies have been flouting DMCAs for years. It's high time one of them was made an example of.

Ever heard of VenomfangX?



And finally:

AyameTan[/url]"]WLC chose to be a callous dick with no compassion whatsoever.

Turns out he can in fact recognise morality and make moral decisions...

Prole has spotted a glaring contradiction in your words here.

If drcraigvideos really is a sociopath then said entity hasn't chosen to be callous and lacking in compassion. Such a choice would require an understanding of morality and social norms, two qualities that a sociopath would not possess.

I don't believe you really understand what you're saying when you use psychiatric terminology, and judging from the fact that you believe you can "sue drcraigvideos into prison" you have no understanding of modern criminal and civil law.

 

[AyameTan]

It's alright for you to do it to others though, yes? One presumes you've never met either WLC or drcraigvideos, yet here we are discussing your unqualified assertions about two people you don't know.

As I said in the OP, this is based on my online observations, and is not meant to be a psychiatric diagnosis.

Lol, this site sits in a vacuum on its own personal web.

Speaking of the web, it brings up some interesting items, actually. Like where you say:

AyameTan[/url]"]WLC chose to be a callous dick with no compassion whatsoever.

Turns out he can in fact recognise morality and make moral decisions... How very sociopathic of him.

Craig doesn't recognise morality. He believes in divine command theory, might makes right. He selfishly ignores the verses in the bible he doesn't like, and cannot seem to comprehend the harm ha causes by callously ignoring suffering.

Or how about when you seem to feel comfortable with like-minded people?

AyameTan[/url]"]drcraigvideos doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to do anything other than fellate his mentor and hero, and repeat his lies and platitudes.

Nice.

Why should I respect someone who loves Craig as much as drcraigvideos does?

Yes you did... WITH YOUR SILENCE!

OK, now you're just lying.

Er, didn't you say Let's start a fund to sue drcraigvideos into prison. A jail term (somehow via a lawsuit) for false copyright claims? Proportionate? :lol:

Does the law not call for jail terms for false DMCAs?

Social conservatives and pro-lifers have legalised torture whenever they pass laws against assisted dying.

Most countries in the world have legislation against assisted dying. Are we all guilty of torture, then?

No, but those who vote in such politicians are guilty of selfsame torture.

If drcraigvideos really is a sociopath then said entity hasn't chosen to be callous and lacking in compassion. Such a choice would require an understanding of morality and social norms, two qualities that a sociopath would not possess.

I don't believe you really understand what you're saying when you use psychiatric terminology, and judging from the fact that you believe you can "sue drcraigvideos into prison" you have no understanding of modern criminal and civil law.

Sociopaths know what the right thing in a given situation is. They just choose to ignore it in favour of their own selfish ends.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Not you or Joe, you've been surprising restrained for which I commend you both. However the thread is as useless as a contraceptive dispenser in a nunnery. I'm not sure what the OP is trying to do but it's really not working.

Sweet crispy chocolate-covered caramel Christ on a stick!

The day that I'm considered to be "restrained," even surprisingly so, is something to mark in your calendars!

AyameTan, you should really just fucking stop. Seriously. You are making ridiculous calls for unreasonable responses to what are really petty online behaviors, and then lashing out beyond disproportionately at anyone and everyone who disagrees with you. You're like a guy who shows up at a critics' screening of a movie with a flamethrower and a battle axe just in case you really don't like the movie and want to make the filmmakers pay dearly.

In other words, your emotional response to Dr. Craig and his nonsensical videos may be reasonable, the things you want to do in response to them are way out of proportion.

 

[CommonEnlightenment]

 

[AyameTan]

Not you or Joe, you've been surprising restrained for which I commend you both. However the thread is as useless as a contraceptive dispenser in a nunnery. I'm not sure what the OP is trying to do but it's really not working.

Sweet crispy chocolate-covered caramel Christ on a stick!

The day that I'm considered to be "restrained," even surprisingly so, is something to mark in your calendars!

AyameTan, you should really just fucking stop. Seriously. You are making ridiculous calls for unreasonable responses to what are really petty online behaviors, and then lashing out beyond disproportionately at anyone and everyone who disagrees with you. You're like a guy who shows up at a critics' screening of a movie with a flamethrower and a battle axe just in case you really don't like the movie and want to make the filmmakers pay dearly.

In other words, your emotional response to Dr. Craig and his nonsensical videos may be reasonable, the things you want to do in response to them are way out of proportion.

My apologies; I overreacted to drcraigvideo's false DMCAs.

But what I think should happen is for drcraigvideos to be sued for false DMCAs (and his Theo Warner blog where he accuses Theo of being a pedo).

 

[ImprobableJoe]

My apologies; I overreacted to drcraigvideo's false DMCAs.

But what I think should happen is for drcraigvideos to be sued for false DMCAs (and his Theo Warner blog where he accuses Theo of being a pedo).

Good to see you might be listening. Believe me, it will do you good to listen to old folks like me. I've been online since before the Internet could carry pictures. I lived through the beginnings of Internet porn, where you would have to wait 7 minutes for a fuzzy picture of a semi-naked chick to finally load onto your PC.

Maybe there's a call for someone to sue drcraigvideos, but that's not for you or me to say. If someone files a false DMCA claim against you, you have a right to sue. You don't have a right to sue as a third-party bystander, no matter how ridiculous the false claim might be. Maybe more importantly is that you don't get so wrapped up in online nonsense that you're wanting to go to real life war with people because they have been a pain in the ass to complete strangers on the Internet.

It is great to be passionate. Satan knows I'm more passionate than most when it comes to typing crap here... if you're not sure, just check to see who has the most posts on this site. It isn't Prolescum, as hard as he tries.

Craig is a giant asshat, and his cronies posting videos online are probably even bigger losers. Don't try to go "eye for an eye" with them. What's the saying? If you go to battle with an idiot he'll drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

 

[AyameTan]

Maybe there's a call for someone to sue drcraigvideos, but that's not for you or me to say. If someone files a false DMCA claim against you, you have a right to sue. You don't have a right to sue as a third-party bystander, no matter how ridiculous the false claim might be. Maybe more importantly is that you don't get so wrapped up in online nonsense that you're wanting to go to real life war with people because they have been a pain in the ass to complete strangers on the Internet.

It is great to be passionate. Satan knows I'm more passionate than most when it comes to typing crap here... if you're not sure, just check to see who has the most posts on this site. It isn't Prolescum, as hard as he tries.

Craig is a giant asshat, and his cronies posting videos online are probably even bigger losers. Don't try to go "eye for an eye" with them. What's the saying? If you go to battle with an idiot he'll drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

Thank you. I am glad we managed to see things eye-to-eye.

 

[Welshidiot]

I'm glad some kind of sense has been seen, but I must post this just to make sure everyone's reading from the same page.

Antisocial personality disorder:

A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others and inability or unwillingness to conform to what are considered to be the norms of society.

The disorder involves a history of chronic antisocial behavior that begins before the age of 15 and continues into adulthood. The disorder is manifested by a pattern of irresponsible and antisocial behavior as indicated by academic failure, poor job performance, illegal activities, recklessness, and impulsive behavior. Symptoms may include dysphoria, an inability to tolerate boredom, feeling victimized, and a diminished capacity for intimacy.

Antisocial personality disorder, also known as psychopathic personality or sociopathic personality often brings a person into conflict with society as a consequence of a pattern of behavior that is amoral and unethical. Complications that might arise from having this disorder include: frequent imprisonment for unlawful behavior, alcoholism and drug abuse.

Samson may, it is thought, have had antisocial personality disorder. The Bible tells of his lies to his parents, his cruelty to animals, his torching the Philistine fields, his frequent brawls, and his unremitting bragging after killing a thousand men, actions fitting the diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder. A person with antisocial personality disorder was once called a sociopath.

As you can see this description refers to a chronic lack of impulse control, and amorality.
Chronic impulse control issues make it hard enough for a person to make moral choices, and amorality makes it impossible by definition.
In fact here are two definitions:

a,·mor,·al (-mà´rl, -mr-)
adj.
1. Not admitting of moral distinctions or judgments; neither moral nor immoral.
2. Lacking moral sensibility; not caring about right and wrong.

amoral [eɪˈmɒrəl]
adj
1. having no moral quality; nonmoral
2. without moral standards or principles

(posted for the purposes of elucidation)

 

[borrofburi]

I highly recommend it. The PoE stays invincible.

If you cast aspersions upon me again I will refrain from being so very kind.

Err... no... PoE is "Problem of Evil". You thought Ayame was calling you a poe again, when Ayame was merely recommending a series of videos that show that the problem of evil/suffering is still a problem for monotheistic religions.

my understanding of English is relatively mature.

As is mine.

Your english may be mature, but your understanding of communication is not. Very little of what you said was cogent.

 

[Prolescum]

Err... no... PoE is "Problem of Evil". You thought Ayame was calling you a poe again, when Ayame was merely recommending a series of videos that show that the problem of evil/suffering is still a problem for monotheistic religions.

Understandable, given the timing of this previously unknown and contextually inarticulate acronym and by linking to a video called The Argument From Evil. Should've spotted that one... :roll:

Your english may be mature, but your understanding of communication is not. Very little of what you said was cogent.

Yes, very little of what I've said on these pages has any relevance or clarity... :lol:

Your view is noted and dismissed.


I'd respond directly to AyameTan's expectedly ridiculous points on this page, but I may be accused of drug running, human trafficking, or grievous bodily harm so I'll just watch from the benches.