WLC, drcraigvideos, and Sociopathy

[AyameTan]

I prefer sociopathy to psychopathy (sociopaths have no conscience outside their in-group(s)).

Here's the Psychopathy checklist:

PCL-R items

The following findings are for research purposes only, and are not used in clinical diagnosis. These items cover the affective, interpersonal, and behavioral features. Each item is rated on a score from zero to two. The sum total determines the extent of a person's psychopathy.[38]

Factor 1
Aggressive narcissism

1. Glibness/superficial charm
2. Grandiose sense of self-worth
3. Pathological lying
4. Cunning/manipulative
5. Lack of remorse or guilt
6. Emotionally shallow
7. Callous/lack of empathy
8. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Factor 2
Socially deviant lifestyle

1. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
2. Parasitic lifestyle. (Religion qualifies. So do shallow philosophies and special pleading fallacies)
3. Poor behavioral control
4. Promiscuous sexual behavior
5. Lack of realistic, long-term goals
6. Impulsiveness
7. Irresponsibility
8. Juvenile delinquency
9. Early behavioral problems
10. Revocation of conditional release

Traits not correlated with either factor

1. Many short-term marital relationships
2. Criminal versatility

And these are the behaviours WLC AND drcraigvideos (from his speeches and the other socio's online activities).

PCL-R items

The following findings are for research purposes only, and are not used in clinical diagnosis. These items cover the affective, interpersonal, and behavioral features. Each item is rated on a score from zero to two. The sum total determines the extent of a person's psychopathy.[38]

Factor 1
Aggressive narcissism

1. Glibness/superficial charm (just look at his needlessly-wide smile).
2. Grandiose sense of self-worth
3. Pathological lying
4. Cunning/manipulative
5. Lack of remorse or guilt
6. Emotionally shallow
7. Callous/lack of empathy
8. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Factor 2
Socially deviant lifestyle

1. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
2. Parasitic lifestyle.
3. Poor behavioral control
4. Promiscuous sexual behavior
6. Impulsiveness
7. Irresponsibility
9. Early behavioral problems
10. Revocation of conditional release

Traits not correlated with either factor

2. Criminal versatility

 

[Prolescum]

Yay another WLC thread! We should figure out a way to flog these... ,£3 a baker's dozen or something.

 

[AyameTan]

Yay another WLC thread! We should figure out a way to flog these... ,£3 a baker's dozen or something.

Indeed. Anyone want to sue drcraigvideos? I'll contribute if we go that road.

 

[Prolescum]

Yay another WLC thread! We should figure out a way to flog these... ,£3 a baker's dozen or something.

Indeed. Anyone want to sue drcraigvideos? I'll contribute if we go that road.

I don't think you've quite understood the point I was making.

 

[AyameTan]

I don't think you've quite understood the point I was making.

Well, yeah, I agree that I was giving WLC oxygen. My apologies for not being clearer.

Unfortunately, I'm an Aspie, and I cannot simply stand by while sociopathic charlatans legalise torture and brush off suffering as a "slight momentary affliction" and/or make appeals to afterlife compensation.

Let's start a fund to sue drcraigvideos into prison.

 

[Prolescum]

I don't think you've quite understood the point I was making.

Well, yeah, I agree that I was giving WLC oxygen. My apologies for not being clearer.

No, that wasn't the point I was making either. Here it is without ambiguity: There are loads of WLC threads on this forum, so many that we could earn a living from selling them to passersby. It was just a moment of whimsy.

Unfortunately, I'm an Aspie, and I cannot simply stand by while sociopathic charlatans legalise torture and brush off suffering as a "slight momentary affliction" and/or make appeals to afterlife compensation.

I fail to see what being an 'aspie' has to do with any of this.

Let's start a fund to sue drcraigvideos into prison.

You are aware of the difference between civil and criminal courts outside this thread, I presume.

 

[AyameTan]

No, that wasn't the point I was making either. Here it is without ambiguity: There are loads of WLC threads on this forum, so many that we could earn a living from selling them to passersby. It was just a moment of whimsy.

Fair enough. It's sad to see WLC, Plantinga, Zacharias et al being regarded as the pinnacles of apologetics today. And if that's the best they can do, then they don't deserve the time of day.

I fail to see what being an 'aspie' has to do with any of this.

Well, among other things, aspies like myself have a narrow range of interests. Reducing suffering is one of them.

You are aware of the difference between civil and criminal courts outside this thread, I presume.

Yes. We require reasonable proof. Which I think we clearly have.

 

[Prolescum]

No, that wasn't the point I was making either. Here it is without ambiguity: There are loads of WLC threads on this forum, so many that we could earn a living from selling them to passersby. It was just a moment of whimsy.

Fair enough. It's sad to see WLC, Plantinga, Zacharias et al being regarded as the pinnacles of apologetics today. And if that's the best they can do, then they don't deserve the time of day.

...Yeah, whatever you say mate. Remember, you're giving more than just the time of day, so...

I fail to see what being an 'aspie' has to do with any of this.

Well, among other things, aspies like myself have a narrow range of interests. Reducing suffering is one of them.

Among which other things? You mean your aspie powers give you sight beyond sight while you put right what once went wrong, hoping that the next leap would be the leap home, and to boldly go where no one has gone before?

I mean, you "cannot simply stand by while sociopathic charlatans legalise torture and brush off suffering as a "slight momentary affliction" and/or make appeals to afterlife compensation" after all...

You are aware of the difference between civil and criminal courts outside this thread, I presume.

Yes.

Clearly not, as you seem to think you can 'sue someone into prison'.

We require reasonable proof. Which I think we clearly have.

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Reasonable proof of what, that he's a Christian? I'll call the police right away so they can go round to his house and sue him; can't have them being all "I have faith in Jesus" at everyone.

This is assuming you're not talking about the legalising of torture that this sociopathic charlatan somehow has the power to implement of course...

 

[AyameTan]

Prolescum, are you a Poe? Suffering is bad by definition. It really is that simple. Ever see DavidJohnWellman's playlist on the problem of evil?

And FTR, filing false DMCAs is a criminal offence.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Prolescum, are you a Poe?

Do you even know what a Poe is?

 

[AyameTan]

Prolescum, are you a Poe?

Do you even know what a Poe is?

Of course. It's a parody of religious extremism, usually one which is very adroitly executed.

 

[Prolescum]

Prolescum, are you a Poe?

:lol: Eh? You might as well ask if I consist exclusively of sepia jelly and whether I think learning how to dribble a basketball at a young age improved my chances of receiving a full commendation for excellence in shoe-tying for all the relevance your question has.

Suffering is bad by definition. It really is that simple.

At which point did I suggest otherwise?

Ever see DavidJohnWellman's playlist on the problem of evil?

No.

And FTR, filing false DMCAs is a criminal offence.

Yes it is. So what?

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Of course. It's a parody of religious extremism, usually one which is very adroitly executed.

Right... Prolescum has 2200+ posts here. He's not pretending to be anything.

 

[Prolescum]

Of course. It's a parody of religious extremism, usually one which is very adroitly executed.

Right... Prolescum has 2200+ posts here. He's not pretending to be anything.

Not quite true; sometimes I pretend to be orange.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

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Not quite true; sometimes I pretend to be orange.

I always wonder where you get the giant seeds from.

 

[Prolescum]

I always wonder where you get the giant seeds from.

Unfortunately those seeds have been getting smaller over the centuries...

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[AyameTan]

:lol: Eh? You might as well ask if I consist exclusively of sepia jelly and whether I think learning how to dribble a basketball at a young age improved my chances of receiving a full commendation for excellence in shoe-tying for all the relevance your question has.

Well, arguing about whether suffering is bad is silly.

At which point did I suggest otherwise?

With your silence. No one wants to suffer (consensual pain is different), which is why the stick of hell is so effective.

No.

I highly recommend it. The PoE stays invincible.

http://www.youtube.com/user/davidjohnwellman#p/c/AFE9842B2BD60D7C

Yes it is. So what?

So, drcraigvideos is a criminal. QED.

 

[Prolescum]

:lol: Eh? You might as well ask if I consist exclusively of sepia jelly and whether I think learning how to dribble a basketball at a young age improved my chances of receiving a full commendation for excellence in shoe-tying for all the relevance your question has.

Well, arguing about whether suffering is bad is silly.

Yes, and I wouldn't involve myself in such a futile discussion; my understanding of English is relatively mature.

At which point did I suggest otherwise?

With your silence.

What? Seriously, explain yourself.

No one wants to suffer (consensual pain is different), which is why the stick of hell is so effective.

...so? What point are you failing to make with this thread, and besides the peripherally obvious, what relevance does the above have to what's been said so far?

No.

I highly recommend it. The PoE stays invincible.

If you cast aspersions upon me again I will refrain from being so very kind.

Yes it is. So what?

So, drcraigvideos is a criminal. QED.

QED what? Your initial point seems to be (although it's by no means clear) that because someone has gone to the effort of some armchair analysis (and you personally diagnose him as sociopathic) this is grounds for suing him. Then you suggest and I quote: Let's start a fund to sue drcraigvideos into prison. What do the DMCAs of drcraigvideos have to do with the "analysis" of WLC? Is it even established that they are the same person? What qualifies you to either consider a legal case or proclaim him a sociopath?

What the Bob Monkhouse are you going on about?


Succinctly please.

 

[AyameTan]

Yes, and I wouldn't involve myself in such a futile discussion; my understanding of English is relatively mature.

As is mine. Also, philosophy was one of my favourite subjects at university, although I only took one undergraduate course in it (Cultural and Ethical Values).

What? Seriously, explain yourself.

Well, anyone who does not speak up against suffering rings alarm bells in my mind.

Whether society chooses utilitarianism or another moral paradigm is up to each society.

...so? What point are you failing to make with this thread, and besides the peripherally obvious, what relevance does the above have to what's been said so far?

Well, WLC and drcraigvideos have demonstrated psychopathic behaviour both online and IRL.

If you cast aspersions upon me again I will refrain from being so very kind.

My apologies; that was most certainly not my intention.

But substitute "suffering" for "evil" and my point remains.

QED what? Your initial point seems to be (although it's by no means clear) that because someone has gone to the effort of some armchair analysis (and you personally diagnose him as sociopathic) this is grounds for suing him. Then you suggest and I quote: Let's start a fund to sue drcraigvideos into prison. What do the DMCAs of drcraigvideos have to do with the "analysis" of WLC? Is it even established that they are the same person? What qualifies you to either consider a legal case or proclaim him a sociopath?

What the Bob Monkhouse are you going on about?

Succinctly please.

Fundies have been flouting DMCAs for years. It's high time one of them was made an example of.

And drcraigvideos doesn't seem to care about anything but his own suffering, or WLC's suffering.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Fundies have been flouting DMCAs for years. It's high time one of them was made an example of.

And drcraigvideos doesn't seem to care about anything but his own suffering, or WLC's suffering.

So you're a sociopath, or at least criminally-minded. What the fuck is wrong with you? WLC is a jackass, but being a jackass isn't a criminal offense. Saying things that you don't like isn't a criminal offense, and neither is exercising free speech and freedom of religion.

There's something seriously wrong with you, the least of which is that you don't get that your threats and accusations against Craig and that YouTube channel are potentially criminal under the same wackaloon theory that you'd use against them.