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I fail to see how Communism has never been given a chance, it's been the form of government in many countries all over the globe. Yet it only remains in China (as far as I am aware).Kevin R Brown said:MRaverz said:Communism never works, people are too damn greedy.
Damn people.
Equal opportunities is all good, but forced equality just isn't fair.
Communism has never been given a run, so we don't know that it would or would not work. I can't imagine a particular reason it wouldn't.
Communism is simply putting the means of production in the hands of the proletariat. 'Forced equality' is just a commonly trotted out strawman; neither Marx nor Trotsky made any such proposal. How many of either man's works do you have on your shelf, by chance?
MRaverz said:I fail to see how Communism has never been given a chance, it's been the form of government in many countries all over the globe. Yet it only remains in China (as far as I am aware).
I'm no political genius, in fact I haven't much of an interest in it. But I do know people who lived under Communism in Poland, they all say that it's a good concept, but in reality people just stop working because they have no reason to succeed.
There have been communist systems in the world.Kevin R Brown said:Communism has never been given a run, so we don't know that it would or would not work. I can't imagine a particular reason it wouldn't.
To be fair, China, Cuba, or the former Soviet Union do not meet the criteria to be a communist society.MRaverz said:I fail to see how Communism has never been given a chance, it's been the form of government in many countries all over the globe. Yet it only remains in China (as far as I am aware).
I'm no political genius, in fact I haven't much of an interest in it. But I do know people who lived under Communism in Poland, they all say that it's a good concept, but in reality people just stop working because they have no reason to succeed.
PAB said:Why you, and everyone else should be a 'communist' - or....at least anything other than 'capitalist'
capitalism is a closed eco-political paridigm : this is due to its economic foundation and conservation of its economic ideology, that of capitalism. This is of course bad, wrong, and foolish. as the focus is on the economic system, rather than the welfare of people, of which, the system serves.
i]note[/i]: the fact that capitalism tends to sort itself out, is not a defence to this. it is regardless, an abstraction and delusion of principles. as it is a fact that money and value are self created via humanities needs. however capitalism is the values of wants. thus outlining its immorality
That can't be the end of it though because that plan would never work (as far as I can see). Unless communism always entails returning to a simple agrarian society there must be something more.Kevin R Brown said:Communism is simply putting the means of production in the hands of the proletariat.
PAB said:then thats just immoral ... then your are kind of worthless as a person
I knew there was a reason I was avoiding this thread...PAB said:if you accept that capitalism works on a premise of the capital, the buisnes i would say this is immoral ... (i know little of the history) ... obvious immorality is evident via capitalism
No True Communism (tm).MRaverz said:I fail to see how Communism has never been given a chance, it's been the form of government in many countries all over the globe. Yet it only remains in China (as far as I am aware).
borrofburi said:I knew there was a reason I was avoiding this thread...
richi1173 said:To be fair, China, Cuba, or the former Soviet Union do not meet the criteria to be a communist society.
MRaverz said:Communism never works, people are too damn greedy.
This is the sentiment in this thread that I agree with the most.SatanicBunny said:What I'm trying to say is that the best way to proceed is not to pick any one system and try to force it to people, but to try and pick the best sides of both capitalism and communism and integrate them into the society in a way which helps to advance society and keeps people healthy and happy. We're not there yet, but some steps to the right direction have been taken.
MRaverz said:Communism never works, people are too damn greedy.
Damn people.
Equal opportunities is all good, but forced equality just isn't fair.
WRT54G said:I'm utterly convinced. Hold on while I take the benefits of my hard labour and give it to people who simply have no desire to help themselves. Rewarding slacking and punishing hard work sure is the way to go.
People don't all pay the same fare.TheAzov said:MRaverz said:Communism never works, people are too damn greedy.
Damn people.
Equal opportunities is all good, but forced equality just isn't fair.
Like, everyone paying the same fare to ride on the bus? ............
TheAzov said:WRT54G said:I'm utterly convinced. Hold on while I take the benefits of my hard labour and give it to people who simply have no desire to help themselves. Rewarding slacking and punishing hard work sure is the way to go.
This is the capitalist view: that "my" money derives from "my hard work," etc. The truth is that a capitalist's profits are derived from other peoples' money and hard work, and those other people get sick and tired of sitting at the table to watch another gobble up what theyvre put on it.
SatanicBunny said:What I'm trying to say is that the best way to proceed is not to pick any one system and try to force it to people, but to try and pick the best sides of both capitalism and communism and integrate them into the society in a way which helps to advance society and keeps people healthy and happy. We're not there yet, but some steps to the right direction have been taken.
TheAzov said:The truth is that a capitalist's profits are derived from other peoples' money and hard work, and those other people get sick and tired of sitting at the table to watch another gobble up what theyvre put on it.
'Evil profits' are not responsible for technological progress. Science is largely responsible for technological progress - and many many scientists do not become wealthy for the extremely important work they do.richi1173 said:Those evil profits are responsible for the technological progress we have seen for the last 200 years and the subsequent reduction of poverty around the world.
How capitalist profits derived from other peoples money?