Vego said:What expectations? In this whole conversation, the only person expecting others to live a certain way has been SD
I see you're talking to Sparhafoc here, and I wouldn't usually hijack a reply to someone else, but as it has my SN in it...
Yes, I have been, and will continue to argue that if you're going to argue for, advocate for, support or otherwise encourage a position - what ever that position may be - then you should be living as consistently as possible with that position. If you're going to engage in, or otherwise support actions that are contrary to what you're arguing for, I'm going to find this hypocritical and say so. If you weren't making these arguments, I wouldn't 'expect' you to do anything. It's only the fact that you've elected to argue for veganism that causes me to point out the flaws in your arguments, and the cracks in your logic and reasoning.
You can't be a clean air campaigner and start arguments with people who drive cars if you your self are rocking a 6Ltr Jag. Well, you CAN but nobody need pay the slightest bit of attention.
You can't criticize parents for smacking their kids arses if you're beating the shit out of your own children.
You can't frown upon others for smoking if you're burning up 2 packs a day
You can't moan about people killing animals and eating them as part of their diet when you are paying to have them killed and not even made use of.
This is the problem, not so much with veganism per-se but with vegan activists. And I would class what you're doing here to be activism, albeit not 'in ya face' activism. Veganism is quite a personal thing, and it's not always possible to make solid arguments for positions that are essentially brought about by personal feelings. But if you're going to try, you really should make sure you're practicing what you preach. People in glass houses are ill advised to throw stones.
If you want to be vegan, whatever that entails in your own bespoke game of pick and choose, then you can of course do that. And you're entitled to be happy about it and even proud of your self, if you like. But until such a time as you are living and behaving WAY more consistently with your position than you currently are, you aren't really in a position to criticize others for eating meat.
I'm not saying 'shut up' - far from it, I'm quite enjoying the conversation. I just want you to understand that although you feel strongly about veganism, as do most vegans, the arguments for it aren't NEARLY as solid as you seem to think.