Why I'm a Deist.

[abelcainsbrother]

I watched the video that you posted in the other thread. Most of what you said in it I already knew although it is always good to go over
familiar ground just to refresh the memory. But the only thing you said that I cannot understand is how photons can travel through time
but not experience it as such. Now I am not questioning the fact that they actually can but I just find it very counter intuitive that they do

Speaking of photons can you explain what the difference is between a closed particle and an open particle. Photons are open particles
which is why they cannot be detected on branes external to this universe. Then presumably if they were closed particles they would be
capable of detection. So the universality of gravity therefore makes it the only thing which could determine the existence of branes. But
is there a point beyond which they could not be determined because gravity was too weak to be detected. Or can it always be detected

The strongest of the four fundamental forces is the strong nuclear which is contained in the nucleus. Then the next strongest is the weak
nuclear which is contained within the atom external to the nucleus. The next strongest is the electromagnetic which is also external to the
nucleus and exists at the classical level too where it is almost as universal as gravity but stronger by a magnitude of twenty. The weakest
is gravity which is literally universal. Now there appears to an inverse proportionality between the strength of the force and the area which
it is spread across. Which is to say that the stronger the force the smaller the area or the weaker the force the greater the area. So then is
it the case or is just coincidence. Now given the inverse square law of gravity it self in respect to multiple objects or bodies I would say it is
not just coincidence. I should actually point out that the weak nuclear force and electromagnetism have been combined to make one force
[ the electro weak ] and so there are three fundamental forces not four. I only said four to demonstrate better the point which I was making

Do you think photons could be a scientific explanation of how Jesus after he was raised from the dead was able to walk through walls?or appear to people?

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Do you think photons could be a scientific explanation of how Jesus after he was raised from the dead was able to walk through walls?or appear to people?

It just gets dumber and dumber.

 

[Mugnuts]

Do you think photons could be a scientific explanation of how Jesus after he was raised from the dead was able to walk through walls?or appear to people?

This is going to be awesome!!! Please Abel go on with this one. I cannot wait.

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[surreptitious57]

Do you think photons could be a scientific explanation of how Jesus after he was raised from the dead was able to walk through walls

I nominate this as the most ridiculous question not only in the history of the internet but in the entire history of human civilisation also

I suggest you put down your Bible and pick up any book on physics instead since your knowledge of it is very limited to say the least

 

[tuxbox]

With all the chaos in this universe it is still pretty ordered and constant and all of it can be calculated with mathematics
So if there needs to be a metric for discerning the difference between the appearance of design and design it self then
why cannot the above mentioned be used as that metric. All of which can be calculated and measured with mathematics

As hackenslash has said you would need an observable and repeatable metric that can be universally applied
and produce identical results. Mathematics cannot do that as it is abstract by definition. But what it would do if
such a metric existed is to describe in mathematical form how it functioned. But it would not be the metric itself

Now while mathematics may not be proof of perfect design it is nonetheless a perfect discipline in its own right. Since
it is deductive for it uses proof to validate its claims. And proof is absolute by default. And unlike science which uses
evidence to validate its claims. And the fundamental difference between the two is that if something is inductive it is
probably true while if something is deductive it is definitely true. The easiest way to demonstrate deductive proof is
in the form of an equation where everything from the left hand side is equal to everything from the right hand side

Well, I'm going to admit that there is not enough evidence that the appearance of design equals design. Which makes my deistic position an intuitive one. Thanks for the very good response though.

 

[tuxbox]

Do you think photons could be a scientific explanation of how Jesus after he was raised from the dead was able to walk through walls

I nominate this as the most ridiculous question not only in the history of the internet but in the entire history of human civilisation also

lmfao

 

[Dustnite]

Do you think photons could be a scientific explanation of how Jesus after he was raised from the dead was able to walk through walls?or appear to people?

 

[abelcainsbrother]

Photons can go right through mass and pass through to the other side.

 

[Inferno]

Photons can go right through mass and pass through to the other side.

True, that's why it's dark inside buildings. Oh wait... :lol:

You're babbling utter nonsense.

 

[SpecialFrog]

Photons can go right through mass and pass through to the other side.

You might be thinking of neutrinos. And no, they don't justify any random Bible passages.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Photons can go right through mass and pass through to the other side.

Ah.. no. Glass maybe. Certain wave lengths for certain material.

But that is not the fucking point is it. Light does not hold together in one place. Were Jesus to materialize as light in front of his disciples, what would happens is that Jesus would scatter around in every direction at the speed of light and would be gone before anyone could think "What the fuck just happened?"

 

[Visaki]

Photons can go right through mass and pass through to the other side.

You might be thinking of neutrinos. And no, they don't justify any random Bible passages.

So Jesus turned into a high energy neutrino/photon reactor upon his entombement, it's all so clear now.

:roll:

 

[Deleted member 619]

The last time something went straight through, it was the laxative chocolate tyhat was to blame.

Jesus is my Ex-Lax.

 

[surreptitious57]

Dark matter can pass through ordinary matter. So it would make more sense for Jesus to be possessed of that
Rather than light which is more restrictive by nature. Though it is virtually invisible too which means were he to
materialise in that form he could not be seen only heard. I hope I am not giving abel any ideas here by the way

 

[Deleted member 619]

Dark matter can pass through ordinary matter.

Fuckin' 'ell, mate! I'm in serious danger of clocking up infinite frequent flier miles just flying to Stockholm and back for your presentations at this rate! Most people are happy with a single shiny medal bearing a bas-relief of the man who invented dynamite. When is your paper published?

Oh, I get it now, you extracted that directly from your anal sphincter, didn't you?

 

[Dustnite]

Photons can go right through mass and pass through to the other side.

 

[Deleted member 619]

To be fair, I can go straight through mass and pass through to the other side. Well, I'm not stopping for the sermon...

 

[surreptitious57]

If you do not think dark matter can pass through ordinary
matter can you explain why it is so incredibly hard to trap
If it was not that elusive then it would be easier to contain

 

[Deleted member 619]

If you do not think dark matter can pass through ordinary matter can you explain why it is so incredibly hard to trap

Has anybody actually tried to trap it?

If it was not that elusive then it would be easier to contain

If we had any idea of what it actually was, that statement might hold water.

Honestly, I thought you were going to stop making silly categorical statements about things you couldn't possibly possess knowledge of.

 

[surreptitious57]

Has anybody actually tried to trap it

Yes they have but sadly with zero success

For as I said it is incredibly hard to contain