Master_Ghost_Knight
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I'm pretty sure this topic has been killed dead.
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Master_Ghost_Knight said:I'm pretty sure this topic has been killed dead.
Yes.WarK said:as opposed to killed alive?Master_Ghost_Knight said:I'm pretty sure this topic has been killed dead.
hackenslash said:Josephhasfun01 said:The reason I ask 'who is God' is because there are many different beliefs about God.
Indeed! 30,000+ versions of christianity alone!
You should consider that not all people are gonna agree on everything.
There's mythology stemming from a Pagonis tic view. Then there is other beliefs in God like the Hindus, Zen Buddhism and New Age, belief. They believe in a pantheist God. this pantheist view believes God is nature. Mythology has it wrong as most all of mythological gods are deemed finite. They can die. Most have not been claimed to have created the universe. Logically gods in this view can be ruled out as plausible.
What, as opposed to gods who have been claimed to have created the universe? The problem there is that such a conception of deity is incoherent. It isn't possible for any entity to be the creator of the universe, because the universe is 'that which is' and encompasses everything that exists. A deity, being something that allegedly exists, can only be a subset of the universe at best, thus could not be the creator thereof. Also, on what basis do you assert that finite gods can be excluded merely on the basis of their finitude?
The cause of the universe has to be timeless and immaterial, nonspatial. Finite gods would have been created.
That is the equivalent to a painter creating himself into the painting.
exactlyWhat? Utterly incoherent.
In fact there is no evidence Mohammed even existed.
There's a damn sight more secular evidence for the existence of Mohammed than there is for Jeebus.
)O( Hytegia )O( said:Josephhasfun01 said:. The electromagentic field is comprised of elements called photons.elements called photonselements ... photons
Please, point out where on a Periodic Table of Elements that a photon can be found.
I'm dying to know what they're made out of.
Sarcasm aside, photons are packets of energy. There is no physical form of a photon, but we can detect them and use them.
Your understanding of Physics is even worse than your comprehension of basic elements of philosophy.
Have you even read a work of Philosophy?
Josephhasfun01 said:I guess energy is immaterial also. So you actually help my argument for the existence of immaterial. We know it exists yet we cannot directly see it.
australopithecus said:Josephhasfun01 said:I guess energy is immaterial also. So you actually help my argument for the existence of immaterial. We know it exists yet we cannot directly see it.
No one is questioning the existence of the immaterial, what we are rejecting is your nonsense logic that is because immaterial concepts exist, this proves God because God is apparently immaterial.
australopithecus said:You're one of those willfully ignorant theists, aren't you?
Josephhasfun01 said:australopithecus said:You're one of those willfully ignorant theists, aren't you?
No. I just can't believe it Austra! How can some one say that Jesus never existed? We might as well say that Abraham Lincoln never existed too.
Josephhasfun01 said:australopithecus said:You're one of those willfully ignorant theists, aren't you?
No. I just can't believe it Austra! How can some one say that Jesus never existed? We might as well say that Abraham Lincoln never existed too.
Well, even supposing that this is true, the same can be said of christianity. Jeebus himself said so, according to your book of wibble:
Matthew wrote:5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall
Laurens said:1) There is pretty much fuck all contemporary, secular evidence that Jesus existed. All we have to go by is the gospels and the letters of Paul none of which were contemporary and none of which were from unbiased sources.
2) The best we can say is that there probably was a rambling Jewish preacher who went by the name of Jesus - but there are legitimate grounds for doubting this.
I guess energy is immaterial also. So you actually help my argument for the existence of immaterial. We know it exists yet we cannot directly see it.
devilsadvocate said:I guess energy is immaterial also. So you actually help my argument for the existence of immaterial. We know it exists yet we cannot directly see it.
I'm admittedly no expert in physics, but I have hard time understanding energy as being immaterial. Rather I feel like the term "energy" is an umbrella mathematical abstraction of concrete physical occurrences. In a bit the same way that a thermometer is not any single material thing, but can be realized in many physical ways and has many, what philosophers call, token instances, thermometers are still material things.
tuxbox said:There are other sources other than what is written in the Christian Bible. There is the Arabic translation of Joshephus' "Antiquities of the Jews" and Publius Cornelius Tacitus also mentions him as well.
tuxbox said:It is also not unreasonable to conclude that a Rabbi Yeshua (aka Jesus Christ) did exist. That said, I agree with you that there are grounds for doubt.
I contend that the existence of a single, non-deity rabbi in Jerusalem is of no importance to debate, regardless of his name. The Jesus of the gospels, on the other hand, who brought a man back to life, rose from the dead, and raised a horde of zombies from a nearby cemetery upon his resurrection, did not exist.
Josephhasfun01 said:I always love it when you wiegh in advocate. I have done some reading up on energy and it appears not much is known about what it is compised of. thermomters are material but the rising and falling of mercury is still contingent on action and reaction.