Josephhasfun01
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I contend that the existence of a single, non-deity rabbi in Jerusalem is of no importance to debate, regardless of his name. The Jesus of the gospels, on the other hand, who brought a man back to life, rose from the dead, and raised a horde of zombies from a nearby cemetery upon his resurrection, did not exist.
So you say that there is no way God in the flesh could perform miracles or conquer death?
I copied this from a "Rational Response Squads" website.
There is a problem in your perception
Submitted by jkhagel on May 15, 2007 - 1:23am.
I will agree that the piece is well written, but...Jesus (Joshua in Hebrew) would have been a delicate topic to Jewish historians and of little importance to the Romans.
1. The Jews did not believe him to be the messiah and would have therefore excluded him as being a radical and a blashemer. For a such an important position for a Jew to hold as a historian it would have been social suicide to write anything about him except that a man existed. The fact that Josephus documents the lives of Jesus's contemporaries is quite an indication to this. As for Philo not recording events such as the miraculous birth of Christ...even the Bible proclaims that many believed him to be a bastard. Even his brothers did not believe until after his death.
2. Jesus's trial would not be recorded in Jewish scripts because it was an illegal one according to Jewish law. Any document found to state the contrary would mean the levitical preisthood would therefore be null and void.
3. Romans would not have recorded the death because Pilot would have been executed for his trial and eventual execution of Jesus. The only thing they would be at liberty to report back to Rome would have been that a man was executed for treason and sedition to the empire. Hence why his placard read "Jesus, King of the Jews" and not as the pharasee's demand "He claimed to be God". Jewish religious matters where of no business to Rome...as indicated by Pilot denying the trial in the first place.
4. As for the authorship of the gospels...only 2 were written by those who were with Jesus throughout his 3 year ministry; Matthew and John. Mark was written by John Mark, the nephew of Barnabus (who discipled Paul) and would have gained his account through conversations with Peter and James. Luke draws heavily on the book of Mark and also in his time with Peter and James in Jerusalem. The statement you make that Mark was the first penned is a supposition and it is believed that Matthew actually may have been the first...and only an abbreviated copy of an earlier work penned in Aramaic as noted by Eusebius. Matthew is also the most meticulus in it's detail as he was a tax collector and would have been required to be so in his work.
5. As for religious works in general, you would be hard pressed to find empirical evidence to suggest anything about the head figures. Mohammed's existence is debatable, Buddha never recording anything in writing and the writings about his life date far further than those of the life of Jesus.
6. As for christians....Ghandi said it best "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. YourChristians are so unlike your Christ."
Historically, the Romans and Jews referred to this sect as "the way". Christianity, as we know it today, was a compromise by Rome after they realized they couldn't erradicate them (see Nero). The Romans in turn saw a tool they could utilize in motivating the people. Thus is born what we now know as Catholisicm and the birth of "religion". Some questions before I'm done:
1. How many churches did Jesus start?
None, he simply said " I am the way, the truth, and the light and no man comes to the father. but by me." And "In me you will find torrents of living water..."
2. How many commands did Jesus give?
Two...love God, and love eachother
3. Who was Jesus the hardest on?
Those who saddled the people with unrealisic religious demands and tradition. Those who used God as a platform for money or politics. Those who denied the weak and reviled the poor. Those who thought that through vain repetition and idle musings would attain favor with God. Jesus came to comfort the weary, and to lift up the broken. He came to understand what it was like to be human, to walk in your shoes. He came to seek you and tell you that you are the most precious thing to him. But, he also came as an offense to those who think themselves wise and a hard concept to those who think themselves mighty.