The truth about Australian Aboriginals

[Don-Sama]

This stupid 'playing the race card' seems to be a problem all over, and I have little respect for those who try to use one of the best and most important virtues in the west (desiring unity/understanding between races) against us.

Well this unfortunately is going on everywhere, And there is a ''religion card'' as well. It gets even worse when the goverment plays the card itself, in holland a political party asks for more people of different descent in their party, while this discriminates, since no longer the best man for the best job is chosen..

This is some sick shit though, reading the articles etc, I have never heard anything about this ever before. People don't want to know of many people of a race being criminals and asses. perhaps scared of genodices happening, while those groups are the ones in the need of help.

 

[Juuso]

@Aborigines: Nothing was done? Pathetic.

Back in some parts of Scandinavia we have the opposite problem, my Sami cousin (female) was attacked by several Swedes and she didn't even go to the police because she knows nothing will be done.

But yeah, a lot of them are either scared to go to the police or fear it a waste of time.

Funny how stuff like that stays out of the press.

 

[ladiesman391]

I found this relevant link, it's about an indigenous (aboriginal) report by the government:

http://www.pc.gov.au/gsp/reports/indigenous/keyindicators2009/media-release

"However, preserving the gains in more difficult economic times will be challenging'. He added 'a number of the key social indicators have shown little improvement, with a deterioration occurring in areas such as criminal justice'."

Recently a lady who owns a deli up the road from the retail store where my fiance and I both work was held up by a small group of aboriginal men at 7am whilst she was alone and opening up her store, with a gun pressed to her head, they forced her to remove all her jewellery (worth $50k apparently) then licked her neck and told her "You're lucky I didn't kill you."

This is the second time in a few months she has been robbed by aboriginals whilst opening the deli in the early morning. She washed her neck immediately after the attack and called the police, the policeman's comment to her was "Why did you wash your neck we could have used the DNA?" Her husband told us the police said there is not much they can do!

 

[ladiesman391]

Here's excellent articles that gets to the heart of the issue:

http://www.australian-news.com.au/abocrime.htm

http://www.australian-news.com.au/Aboriginal.htm

 

[Salv]

Jebus, that's all really terrible. I realised there was a problem but I really didn't think it was this bad...

 

[nasher168]

I'm going to be cautious about how much of this I take as truth. Certainly there probably is a problem, and I don't doubt your first-hand experiences, but this caught my eye in the news article you posted:
"Independent commentary to counter the left-leaning, politically correct bigotry of a majority of mainstream journalists."

Sounds a lot like Faux News to me, that's all. Convinced of a big conspiracy by left-wingers and liberals.

 

[ladiesman391]

Convinced of a big conspiracy by left-wingers and liberals.

It would be a conspiracy theory if they falsified evidence or had none at all, but they do and present it with a higher level of brutal honesty than mainstream journalists, left wingers and liberals do.

If you want a more credible source read this from Amnesty International:

http://www.amnesty.org.au/svaw/comments/7089/

 

[Giliell]

As much as I realise the problem, I also notice that those in the front linbe against this "cultural tolerance of sexual violence against Aboriginal women and children" also seem to be Aboriginal.
I also recognise that the white Australians surely have a problem here:
How tell the Aborigines that something is wrong when they did it to them for a long time with little obvious consequences for the offenders?
One law for all. Human rights cannot be switched on or off according to culture.
But that goes both ways, doesn't it?

 

[ladiesman391]

Amnesty International also conducted a poll to see what Australians thought about the government and the difference between western culture and Aboriginal culture:

http://www.amnesty.org.au/news/comments/21626/

This is another brutally honest point of view on the situation (and includes footage of outback aboriginal communities):

http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/aboriginals/more-aboriginal-complaining-give-us-free-houses/

Here's another one from Ozsoapbox.com:

http://ozsoapbox.com/melbourne/western-australian-aborigines-demand-more-money/

And another one, which addresses the UN's failure to recognise the issues in Aboriginal communities:

http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/aboriginals/poor-diddums-aboriginals-ask-un-for-refugee-status/

Note: Check out the links supplied in the articles where they source some of their information from.

 

[FCAAP_Dan]

We have been trying very hard through various other means to avoid and prevent any conflict or violence occuring but as it is instigated by people of Aboriginal decent, other people in the community and especially the police do not want to know about it and say they cannot do anything about it (out of fear the local Aboriginal community will play the race card as they do so very often which has allowed them in the past to get away with murder, rape, assault etc and also resulted in law suits against those that "falsely accuse them").

In America we are sort of experiencing a double standard for hate crimes now. Seems like no one wants to apply the term hate crime when the violence is minority on white because they don't want to appear racist.

Take for instance this case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

According to news reports, Christian and Newsom had gone on a date at a local restaurant on Saturday, January 6, 2007, but did not return home. During their night out, the couple was "hijacked, bound and blindfolded and taken back to Lemaricus Devall 'Slim' Davidson's rented house on Chipman Street."[4]

Christian's parents found her abandoned Toyota 4-Runner two blocks away from the Chipman Street house the following Monday with the help of her mobile phone provider. An envelope recovered from the vehicle yielded fingerprint evidence that led police to Lemaricus Davidson and 2316 Chipman Street. When police went to the address on Tuesday, January 9, they found the home unoccupied and Christian's body in a trash can in the kitchen.

According to the testimony of the Knox County Acting Medical Examiner Dr. Darinka Mileusnic-Polchan at the subsequent trial of Eric Boyd, Newsom was repeatedly raped and then blindfolded, gagged, arms and feet bound and his head covered. Barefoot, he was either led or dragged outside the house to a set of nearby railroad tracks. He was shot in the back of the head, the neck, and the back, and his body then set on fire. Christian's death would come only after hours of sexual torture, medical examiner Mileusnic-Polchan testified. Christian suffered horrific injuries to her vagina, anus and mouth. She was not only raped but savaged with "an object," possibly a broken chair leg, the doctor testified. She was beaten in the head. Some type of chemical was poured down her throat, and her body, including her bleeding and battered genital area, likely scrubbed with the same solution - all while Christian was alive, the forensic expert said. She was then "hog-tied," with curtains and strips of bedding, her face covered tightly with a small trash bag and her body stashed inside five large trash bags before being placed inside a large trash can and covered with sheets. Christian died slowly, suffocating, the medical examiner said.[5]

So far when one person was sentenced to murder they decided no death penalty.

And now there's this one: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/07/new.york.beating/index.html

Basically a white kid was brutally beaten by a group of blacks for dating a black girl.

Yet in America these stories get basically zero media coverage. If it wasn't for the internet I doubt anyone would know about them.

Either apply "hate crime" and the associated penalities to all violent crimes that are clearly above and beyond just an attack, or get rid of the concept of hate crime.

 

[Giliell]

This is another brutally honest point of view on the situation (and includes footage of outback aboriginal communities):

http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/aboriginals/more-aboriginal-complaining-give-us-free-houses/

Here's another one from Ozsoapbox.com:

http://ozsoapbox.com/melbourne/western-australian-aborigines-demand-more-money/

And another one, which addresses the UN's failure to recognise the issues in Aboriginal communities:

http://ozsoapbox.com/rest-of-australia/aboriginals/poor-diddums-aboriginals-ask-un-for-refugee-status/

Note: Check out the links supplied in the articles where they source some of their information from.

I found those articles highly biased and, to be honest, didn't read them through. The first sentences usually set the tone. The writer isn't interested in a real debate or a solution to the problems, but he does complain about how his tax money is spent on lazy savages.
If that's the "truth" you're talking about, I'm not interested in it.

 

[ladiesman391]

I found those articles highly biased and, to be honest, didn't read them through. The first sentences usually set the tone. The writer isn't interested in a real debate or a solution to the problems, but he does complain about how his tax money is spent on lazy savages.
If that's the "truth" you're talking about, I'm not interested in it.

I wouldn't expect anyone outside of Australia to fully understand this situation from reading a few articles, that's the same problem with the UN, they'll read a few reports with a few statistics and base their opinion on that, they miss out on the reality of the situation.

 

[Giliell]

I found those articles highly biased and, to be honest, didn't read them through. The first sentences usually set the tone. The writer isn't interested in a real debate or a solution to the problems, but he does complain about how his tax money is spent on lazy savages.
If that's the "truth" you're talking about, I'm not interested in it.

I wouldn't expect anyone outside of Australia to fully understand this situation from reading a few articles, that's the same problem with the UN, they'll read a few reports with a few statistics and base their opinion on that, they miss out on the reality of the situation.

No, I don't think I can. But I can understand the tone of an article, since I have a pretty profound understanding of the English language, rethorics and linguistics. And if such a tone sets a political agenda in the first few lines of an article, then the intention is not to inform, but to convince people and to win them.
Now, there's nothing bad about doing that, whether I agree with the agenda or not, but that's not where I go to look for information.

 

[Fullmetalgeneticist]

If one may point out...

The main problem seems to be that the Australian indigenous people and the noveau australians haven't really done anything to gel. Now the main problem is "at the start" the Aborigines would have been more likely to gel if it weren't for typical european responses to any one with a spear (Gun Beats Spear now clear off!). Added to such travesties such as the kidnap of aboriginal children as mentioned in events such as the Rabbit Proof Fence and you can see why the aborigines feel a tad disinclined to following rules.

Now the aussies (calling them for the sake of it since Immigrant Australian is a larger word) themselves aren't clean on the issue. There is a large undercurrent of racism in Australia that is suddenly becoming an issue as seen by the recent attacks on Indians in Australia. The problem with the situation is that "there is a real problem" but its hard to get a real discussion going without someone discussing aborigines like they are incapable of doing anything beyond surviving in the outback and aussies as if they were the epitome of civilisation suffering at the hands of aborigines and politcal correctness.

You have to remember they were screwed over in general till very recently. Hence their unwillingness to let "seemingly white" people into their culture. That and "its always happened" is something that is very hard to fight. Remember to this day people still look at caste in India despite it being banned (to the point that its actually there on Indian Matrimonial sites). And Sati still happens once in a while... And Rajasthan has a rape rate of 2 to 3 a year either making it the safest place on earth for women (which its not FYI) or no one is reporting the rapes.

 

[ladiesman391]

The main problem seems to be that the Australian indigenous people and the noveau australians haven't really done anything to gel. Now the main problem is "at the start" the Aborigines would have been more likely to gel if it weren't for typical european responses to any one with a spear (Gun Beats Spear now clear off!). Added to such travesties such as the kidnap of aboriginal children as mentioned in events such as the Rabbit Proof Fence and you can see why the aborigines feel a tad disinclined to following rules.

If you're going to quote movies as your source of reference I suggest you do some further research. Even if that is the burning flame inside every Aboriginal man, that should not cause them to sexually assault Aboriginal women and children?!!!?

It's pointless to dwell on the past. If past events such as the "stolen generation" (which took place before I was even born, and the prime minister has apologised on behalf of Australia for these things which weren't even our fault, but anyway) are to shape a cultures behaviour we'll end up with never-ending wars like those seen between Palestine and Israel. The issue is more wide-scale and complex than Rabbit Proof Fence or "Australia".

Immigrant Australian

I consider that an insult as I'm not an immigrant, I WAS BORN HERE!!

 

[Fullmetalgeneticist]

If you're going to quote movies as your source of reference I suggest you do some further research. Even if that is the burning flame inside every Aboriginal man, that should not cause them to sexually assault Aboriginal women and children?!!!?

That until recently the australian government was kidnapping their children and that they have been generally treated like second class citizens makes them less trusting of the government...

It's pointless to dwell on the past. If past events such as the "stolen generation" (which took place before I was even born, and the prime minister has apologised on behalf of Australia for these things which weren't even our fault, but anyway) are to shape a cultures behaviour we'll end up with never-ending wars like those seen between Palestine and Israel. The issue is more wide-scale and complex than Rabbit Proof Fence or "Australia".

Woah? The Stolen Generation are still alive considering they only stopped in 1969.

Apologising isn't going to change a lot of what's been done but its a start. You can't do stuff like that and get away with a sorry... It's not going to change years of opression and mistrust built up. It's easy to say "don't dwell in the past" when it's not your past that was ruined.

And raping people is never acceptable. But your attitude towards it is one of "they are barbarians" rather than "holy crap let's find out how to stop this in a way that can provide lasting benefit rather than cause the insularisation of an already insular people". There is no point stopping 10 rapes then watching as 100s go by without reporting them as the people involved get even more insular. What you need is a fundemental education from top to bottom of people.

You also need a serious change in the minds of white australians towards other cultures.

Immigrant Australian

I consider that an insult as I'm not an immigrant, I WAS BORN HERE!![/quote]

Urgh! I used it as a way of defining australians who came from Europe and Australians who are the original inhabitants prior colonisation...

Why is it an insult to be an immigrant? Most of us are one at some point.

 

[JacobEvans]

If you're going to quote movies as your source of reference I suggest you do some further research. Even if that is the burning flame inside every Aboriginal man, that should not cause them to sexually assault Aboriginal women and children?!!!?

It's pointless to dwell on the past. If past events such as the "stolen generation" (which took place before I was even born, and the prime minister has apologised on behalf of Australia for these things which weren't even our fault, but anyway) are to shape a cultures behaviour we'll end up with never-ending wars like those seen between Palestine and Israel. The issue is more wide-scale and complex than Rabbit Proof Fence or "Australia".

It's this kind of reasoning that made me so skeptical to blindly accept your word on this in the beginning.

 

[ladiesman391]

Urgh! I used it as a way of defining australians who came from Europe and Australians who are the original inhabitants prior colonisation...
Why is it an insult to be an immigrant? Most of us are one at some point.

If you're an Australian you're born in Australia, if you're an American you're born in America, if you're a German you're born in Germany. If you're an immigrant you're born in one country and moved to another country and become a citizen of that new country. So for you to say that "Aussies" are all immigrants is completely fucking stupid and it's insulting not because you're calling me an immigrant but because it's completely in-accurate, by your logic Aboriginals are also immigrants if you trace the origin of the human species back far enough i'm sure you'll find their ancestors originated from the same place as white European ancestors and hence white Australian, American etc ancestors'.

It's this kind of reasoning that made me so skeptical to blindly accept your word on this in the beginning.

Accept my word? Have you actually read through the links I've posted, all I've done on this thread is post news and articles, that are written by many different people from different backgrounds, which coincides with my personal experience that the reality or truth of the dire cultural situation that exists within many parts of the Aboriginal community is not only the Governments fault but more crucially, and severely understated, the fault of the Aboriginal people themselves. You cannot sit there and tell me that everyone else in the world is responsible for the state of the situation you are in right now Jacob (whether it be a good or bad position) would you agree that we must take responsibility for ourselves? I've been born into the same country as they have and my parents aren't wealthy and I've had to work for everything I have and prove myself to get where I'm at, I've had no special treatment in my life because of my skin colour, I'm hold myself responsible for myself.

Many parts of the Aboriginal culture point the blame of their own problems at everyone else but themselves and it's that lack of personal responsibility that is not only harming their cultures image within Australia but also increasingly internationally. This type of attitude is harbored by the Government at present (who have not seemed to learn from past mistakes and successes) with the massive sums of handouts they give to people purely on the basis of their race which is supposed to make up for the fact that Europeans colonised Australia, that's called institutional racism and it's not helping anybody, all it does is fuel drug and alcohol habits and promote unemployment.

Woah? The Stolen Generation are still alive considering they only stopped in 1969.

That's correct but why are they seeking an apology from someone such as myself who was born in 1984? Or the current prime minister who was born 1957 and would have been 12 when the problem ceased? Would you seek an apology from the son or daughter of a man who stole from you or raped you? It's only a small minority of the aboriginal population that was affected by this, not every Aboriginal was removed from their parents....

And raping people is never acceptable. But your attitude towards it is one of "they are barbarians" rather than "holy crap let's find out how to stop this in a way that can provide lasting benefit rather than cause the insularisation of an already insular people". There is no point stopping 10 rapes then watching as 100s go by without reporting them as the people involved get even more insular. What you need is a fundemental education from top to bottom of people.

My attitude is not "they are barbarians" and most of the Aboriginal communities choose to be insular, if you read through some of the links I posted you'll see some of them discussing it. I agree with the rest of your quote here that's why I'm raising awareness on the issue and providing information that never gets reported in mainstream journalism.....

You also need a serious change in the minds of white australians towards other cultures.

Hmmmmm, personally i'm very multicultural I've had best friends throughout my life that have been Aboriginal, Polish, Mauritian, Australian, Malaysian, Taiwanese.....
And for Aboriginals to turn around and say they can't get employed because of their race or because they are discriminated against is a load of shit! Australians are have a pretty simple attitude of "if you wanna have a go you'll get given a chance to have a go no matter who are or where you are from. Just get in there and get on with it!" (of course there will always be exceptions to this attitude but the majority are very much like this) yet most Aboriginals don't want to have a go because they get $500+ per week, plus many other race specific benefits, for drinking booze, popping out kids, sniffing petrol or paint and watching TV. They also get paid to attend both primary school and high school.

Examples of Aboriginals getting a fair go:

"Ernie Dingo is a famous Aboriginal actor..he has been in many things such as Great Outdoors, Getaway and Crocodile Dundee."

"Lionel Rose grew up at Jackson's Track in Victoria Gippsland region Lionel Rose was16 when he became a professional boxer. He won the world championship in Tokyo and fought the Japanese boxer named Harada the bantamweight champion."

"Cathy Freeman is the first Australian female track and field athlete ever to win a World Championship and the first female Aborigine to win a gold medal at a major international sporting event."

"Nova Peris-Kneebone is from the Muran tribe. She won a gold medal in hockey at the 1996 Atlanta Olympic games."

"in 2007, there are 71 players of Aboriginal descent on AFL (Australian Rules Football) lists, the highest total in league history."

"David Unaipon is on the national currency, the 50-dollar note."

"Professor Gordon Briscoe, a man from the Marduntjara/Pitjantjatjara peoples of Central Australia and an Indigenous activist, researcher, writer and teacher."

 

[Fullmetalgeneticist]

If you're an Australian you're born in Australia, if you're an American you're born in America, if you're a German you're born in Germany. If you're an immigrant you're born in one country and moved to another country and become a citizen of that new country. So for you to say that "Aussies" are all immigrants is completely fucking stupid and it's insulting not because you're calling me an immigrant but because it's completely in-accurate, by your logic Aboriginals are also immigrants if you trace the origin of the human species back far enough i'm sure you'll find their ancestors originated from the same place as white European ancestors and hence white Australian, American etc ancestors'.

No... What I said was a way to distinguish between the Aboriginal Australians and the Other Australians who come under many different shades. Insulting? You said far more demeaning things about the aborigines than me calling you an immigrant... Quite the double standards mate.

Accept my word? Have you actually read through the links I've posted, all I've done on this thread is post news and articles, that are written by many different people from different backgrounds, which coincides with my personal experience that the reality or truth of the dire cultural situation that exists within many parts of the Aboriginal community is not only the Governments fault but more crucially, and severely understated, the fault of the Aboriginal people themselves. You cannot sit there and tell me that everyone else in the world is responsible for the state of the situation you are in right now Jacob (whether it be a good or bad position) would you agree that we must take responsibility for ourselves? I've been born into the same country as they have and my parents aren't wealthy and I've had to work for everything I have and prove myself to get where I'm at, I've had no special treatment in my life because of my skin colour, I'm hold myself responsible for myself.

It's the fault of a people who were in the height of wood and stone technology who were abused and systematically destroyed by white people because of their skin colour and their relative disparateness and treated like animals well into the 1960s...

You have had no special treatment because of your skin but they have had mistreatment for theirs. And that kind of logic is dumb and goes down a terrible route.

Many parts of the Aboriginal culture point the blame of their own problems at everyone else but themselves and it's that lack of personal responsibility that is not only harming their cultures image within Australia but also increasingly internationally. This type of attitude is harbored by the Government at present (who have not seemed to learn from past mistakes and successes) with the massive sums of handouts they give to people purely on the basis of their race which is supposed to make up for the fact that Europeans colonised Australia, that's called institutional racism and it's not helping anybody, all it does is fuel drug and alcohol habits and promote unemployment.

They are druggies and alcies for the same reason that hobos are druggies and alcies... Because they got nothing to live for. They seek escape. The money is so that they don't freaking starve and so you don't have a second underclass of people who will fester. It's called a socially responsible government.

That's correct but why are they seeking an apology from someone such as myself who was born in 1984? Or the current prime minister who was born 1957 and would have been 12 when the problem ceased? Would you seek an apology from the son or daughter of a man who stole from you or raped you? It's only a small minority of the aboriginal population that was affected by this, not every Aboriginal was removed from their parents....

Yes. It shows acceptance of a flaw. It shows an understanding of history and a willingness to realise that you came from the baddies. It's the difference between the Japanese who I have no respect for and the Germans who I have respect for. YOU may not have done anything wrong, but there are people involved who have.

And it means prior to the 1970s Aborigines were treated with no basic human rights and people saw them as Not Human. You expect people to change? Black people to this day in the US aren't seen as equals and India got its independance in the freaking 1940s and still have to face racism in the UK. It's not an instantaneous thing, particularly considering some of the statements you have made which if you replace aborigine with Jew or African would get you the label of Nazi/White Supremacist.

My attitude is not "they are barbarians" and most of the Aboriginal communities choose to be insular, if you read through some of the links I posted you'll see some of them discussing it. I agree with the rest of your quote here that's why I'm raising awareness on the issue and providing information that never gets reported in mainstream journalism.....

See here is the problem. Not mainstream journalism, equals non verifiable sources which brings suspect evidence.

Hmmmmm, personally i'm very multicultural I've had best friends throughout my life that have been Aboriginal, Polish, Mauritian, Australian, Malaysian, Taiwanese.....

http://news.google.co.in/news/search?aq=0&um=1&cf=all&ned=in&hl=en&q=indians+attacked+in+australia

An entire horde of news reports on the attacks on Indians. Sure you guys are multicultural... Australians have a problem with racism. Its not a new thing mate.

And putting people on your currency doesn't mean squat. The UK has Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Darwin and Newton on the currency but most people will never be engineers, biologists, physicists/mathematicians... You do it to honour people. Australia's problem is it's understanding of aborigines is apallingly poor and very little is done to go find out why. What your claiming is a group of people like the tribespeople of Afghanistan yet are not really making any strides to aiding them and even understanding why they do things.

 

[ladiesman391]

http://news.google.co.in/news/search?aq=0&um=1&cf=all&ned=in&hl=en&q=indians+attacked+in+australia

An entire horde of news reports on the attacks on Indians. Sure you guys are multicultural... Australians have a problem with racism. Its not a new thing mate.

Wow five guys attack three other guys of different race and immediately all Australians are racist?

The last time I looked there were 22 million people in Australia, this incident represents about 0.0000003% of the population.

These dickheads that attacked the Indian men would have been looking to fight anyone, I avoid going to bars and pubs in the city because these sort of bullshit, alcohol fueled attacks occur not only to Indian men but to anyone who happens to be in the path of one of these drunken dickheads. They go out and get hammered then while they're wasted they'll look for trouble with a weak link, I guarantee had the Indian men not been there that night they would have beating the shit out of each other, they're morons!

Melbourne, Perth, Brisbane, Sydney and Adelaide (all of Australia's main major cities) are considered to be in the top 50 of the safest cities in the world!
http://best-city-reviews.com/index.php/2008/09/safest-cities-in-the-world-mercer-2008/