Talk about rationality INVADED BY 9/11 Truthers

[blinddesign]

There are lots of things that young (and not so young) people find attractive, that become less so as they gain maturity and education, not to mention a sense of decency and empathy. Unregulated capitalism sounds good until you learn your history, and realize that the regulations are there because life before those regulations was horrible for most people. Then you realize that the people who want to deregulate don't care if life is horrible for most people, because they plan on joing the parasitic 1% at the top of the scam.

Hence me still forming my opinion with no bias whatsoever. Politics still does my head in but I'll see à  l'avenir.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

:shock:I'm part of the Secular Student Alliance at my community college and I led the discussion last meeting. I titled it "Being a citizen in a 21st century republic." I wanted to talk about the demands a 21st century republic makes on it's citizens and one of the chief things I brought up is that science is much more than a body of knowledge, it's a way of thinking. I'm very concerned about my country's (the United States) growing fascination with pseudoscience and with magical thinking in general. The point I wanted to hammer home was that irrationality in all it's forms be it creationism to the NWO theorists was a hazordous to the mental wellbeing of the people because it undermined the very foundation of the republic. But, of course, 3 out of the dozen or so people that regularly come were 9/11 truthers. One even objected to the calling my country a republic (he believes that he and I live in a fascist-like state). He then went on state that vaccinations cause autism. OMG I was shocked, I mean come on......But he would go on and on, no one challenged him expect at the very beginning, but than they just gave into him because he was just spewing out so much nonsense that it would be impossible to debunk it all in one sitting.

Seriously, the SSA is supposed to be the hub of rationality on campus and if it's invaded by these loons who claim to be critical thinkers but really aren't then.....yeah I'm even more worried than before.

I'm not trying to ridicule them or appeal to fear or anything like that, however I feel that there's a very real danger of this kind of secular paranoia exhibited by the conspiracy theorists that showed up at the meeting. Their encouraging people to not vote, to fear their government (you should be critical of your government instead), to believe the testimonies of people that are even more irrational than they are...based on logic that doesn't even stand up to minor scrutiny and no evidence. But no matter how many times we bring something up or object they'll just change the topic and spit out something else. This kind of irrationality has no place in a 21st century republic...

Anyway, what do you guys think? What should I do? Do you guys ever encounter this stuff?

(sorry for any grammatical errors) :lol:

I believe the misconception is of the fact that their was a particular vaccine that did cause autism but that was mainly due to the fact that their were to much high level's of mercury. It then seemed to spew down to being that all vaccines (which is not possible nor is it rational) cause autism. It is true that mercury is present on vaccines; however any vaccination that one would get they should always do research themselves before taking it to see how much level of mercury is within the vaccination; and how many people have recieved negative side effects since the vaccine was created.

He is right though, we do live in a fascist country where the rich control everything from the media, to our household devices, to our houses, and even to our own well being (the federal income tax which is unconstitutional along with the fact that we have to pay for the basic needs of survival such as food, water, transportation, etc). And the fact that corporations if they wished they could push for a specific bit of science to help line their pockets cause it creates a political agenda (and everyone knows that if a political issue arises, corporations prosper off of it) along with the money being gained on wars that were false flagged (WW1 and WW2 along with Vietnam are a prime example).

He is correct about the fascist thing; however he should not have acted that way. It is a group mentality and something I do not enjoy. This country was created as a republic, then went to a democracy and is now ruled by corporations and banks. It is a sad and scary fact but a fact nonetheless.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Even then it doesn't work, because they ignore all evidence, and ask more idiotic questions. They aren't actually going to listen to the answers, they instead assume that the existence of questions is the same as the existence of evidence.

Labeling someone as idiotic questions being asked is somewhat contridictary. If we don't ask questions then we never learn. Also people were killed, sued and jailed for talking about a government conspiracy before and after 9/11. So I think their is something very wrong going on if people are being silenced in such a way if it isn't true.

 

[Aught3]

I believe the misconception is of the fact that their was a particular vaccine that did cause autism but that was mainly due to the fact that their were to much high level's of mercury.

No, a link between thimerosal and autism has never been demonstrated. Do you fact check at all before you post?

 

[Finger]

Labeling someone as idiotic questions being asked is somewhat contridictary. If we don't ask questions then we never learn. Also people were killed, sued and jailed for talking about a government conspiracy before and after 9/11. So I think their is something very wrong going on if people are being silenced in such a way if it isn't true.

Its one thing to ask a question, get an answer, then learn something. Its another to ask the question, get an answer, pretend you never got an answer, then ask the question incessantly. That's what most truthers do. And their followers, of course, believe them when they say "these questions haven't been answered."

As for people being jailed, I challenge you to provide evidence of this. In my experience, it seems that any conspiracy theorist being jailed for any reason is proof in the minds of other conspiracy theorists that they were being silenced. Kent Hovind insists that he was silenced by the secret science police. Not the fact that he wasn't paying taxes and told his wife to lie about it.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Its one thing to ask a question, get an answer, then learn something. Its another to ask the question, get an answer, pretend you never got an answer, then ask the question incessantly. That's what most truthers do. And their followers, of course, believe them when they say "these questions haven't been answered."

As for people being jailed, I challenge you to provide evidence of this. In my experience, it seems that any conspiracy theorist being jailed for any reason is proof in the minds of other conspiracy theorists that they were being silenced. Kent Hovind insists that he was silenced by the secret science police. Not the fact that he wasn't paying taxes and told his wife to lie about it.

Their was a particular person that predicted the events of 9/11, he was gunned down by a man that still has yet to be caught a couple of months before hand. I can't remember specifically because of it. Also Alex Jones was refusing a finger print scan even though he brought them everything they needed to identify who he was (finger scanning is so very limited in technology due to the fact that specific burns at certain degrees can alter your finger prints and a scar on your finger can drastically change the print that was left).

Their were a number of other people but I would have to look them up. But it wasn't the fact they were just jailed, they were also murdered as well by people to have yet be aprehended. I will however look for their names though. Within to this weekend.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

No, a link between thimerosal and autism has never been demonstrated. Do you fact check at all before you post?

Um... high level's mercury have been known to cause this for years. I am not to sure what you are talking about.

 

[Finger]

Their was a particular person that predicted the events of 9/11, he was gunned down by a man that still has yet to be caught a couple of months before hand. I can't remember specifically because of it. Also Alex Jones was refusing a finger print scan even though he brought them everything they needed to identify who he was (finger scanning is so very limited in technology due to the fact that specific burns at certain degrees can alter your finger prints and a scar on your finger can drastically change the print that was left).

Their were a number of other people but I would have to look them up. But it wasn't the fact they were just jailed, they were also murdered as well by people to have yet be aprehended. I will however look for their names though. Within to this weekend.

Nostradomus predicted 9/11 too. He's also dead. Coincidence!?

All you're doing is trying to string together anecdotal stories that are little more than rumors told by people who already believe the men in black are out to get them. Apophenia at its finest. Go ahead and look for names though. While you're at it, look for the details of their supposed murder/arrest/harassment.

 

[Finger]

Also, meet Alex Jones:

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Nostradamus predicted 9/11 too. He's also dead. Coincidence!?

:roll: Jesus; I hate that stupid bullshit claim. Nostradamus' predictions could be attributed to about 15 other events in history that could have happened. That does not mean he predicted the towers collapse. I hate this argument for the WTC collapsing because of an inside job, it's freaking ridiculous.

All you're doing is trying to string together anecdotal stories that are little more than rumors told by people who already believe the men in black are out to get them. Apophenia at its finest. Go ahead and look for names though. While you're at it, look for the details of their supposed murder/arrest/harassment.

Actually no; publicly they were stating that 9/11 was an inside job and they were arrested. Active FEMA camps actively round up 9/11 truth protesters in New York during 2002 in the protest and put them in camps where some got sick and died.

My own friend died their during that protest really, and a couple of friends were inside the WTC during the collapse of it. I have listened to every side of the story and I find truth movement to be somewhat ridiculous myself (group mentality; I never support such an idea).

However your statement somewhat does piss me off but I will hold my anger back though since this is a logical discussion.

 

[Aught3]

Um... high level's mercury have been known to cause this for years. I am not to sure what you are talking about.

I believe the misconception is of the fact that their was a particular vaccine that did cause autism but that was mainly due to the fact that their were to much high level's of mercury.

What was the name of this vaccine? What did it vaccinate against? Where is the peer-reviewed article demonstrating the link between mercury in vaccines and autism?

Everything you say boils down to 'this has been known for years to be true' and yet almost no one here agrees with you. Why do you think that is?

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

What was the name of this vaccine? What did it vaccinate against? Where is the peer-reviewed article demonstrating the link between mercury in vaccines and autism?

Everything you say boils down to 'this has been known for years to be true' and yet almost no one here agrees with you. Why do you think that is?

It was mentioned on a Radio Show and I can't quite remember these specifics (abusement caused my somewhat hard time at remembering these things.

Also you are the only one raising these questions. I will find it for you though.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Also, meet Alex Jones:

Oh that? lmfao! That wasn't the person I was referring to even. It was someone else. I will admit that Alex Jones isn't exactly an on the ball the guy and does of course jump the gun and put his foot in his mouth, but some things to what he states are pretty sound (with a few exceptions for example).

I don't agree with everything he states but their is a lot of truth to what he reports on (just depends on what your willing to nitpick really).

 

[GoodKat]

Also you are the only one raising these questions. I will find it for you though.

I am rather interested myself. I know that symptoms of autism usually develop around the age that certain vaccines are given at, which could easily lead to confusion.

 

[Finger]

:roll: Jesus; I hate that stupid bullshit claim. Nostradamus' predictions could be attributed to about 15 other events in history that could have happened. That does not mean he predicted the towers collapse. I hate this argument for the WTC collapsing because of an inside job, it's freaking ridiculous.

Its called sarcasm.

My own friend died their during that protest really, and a couple of friends were inside the WTC during the collapse of it. I have listened to every side of the story and I find truth movement to be somewhat ridiculous myself (group mentality; I never support such an idea).

Then why are you arguing for it? You're all over the place here.

Please give me more information about this 2002 riot. When there are arrests on that scale, FEMA is often called in to set up temporary detention centers. Of course, those on the receiving end call them "camps." Its sad that people died there, but people die in riots all the time. That still doesn't make the riot just.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Then why are you arguing for it? You're all over the place here.

Please give me more information about this 2002 riot. When there are arrests on that scale, FEMA is often called in to set up temporary detention centers. Of course, those on the receiving end call them "camps." Its sad that people died there, but people die in riots all the time. That still doesn't make the riot just.

I don't argue for them; I just argue specific points that are legitimate. And no I never said they died in riots, I said they died in the FEMA camps because of sicknesses. Also they had papers and the right to protest (it is not a riot, it was a legitimate protest).

 

[Finger]

Also they had papers and the right to protest (it is not a riot, it was a legitimate protest).

Funny how riots always say that. That's why I asked for more information. A news article perhaps? From a non-conspiracy theorist website would be good.

 

[Anonymous]

IamtheVOICE123 writes:

Aught3 wrote:
What was the name of this vaccine? What did it vaccinate against? Where is the peer-reviewed article demonstrating the link between mercury in vaccines and autism?

Everything you say boils down to 'this has been known for years to be true' and yet almost no one here agrees with you. Why do you think that is?

and:

It was mentioned on a Radio Show and I can't quite remember these specifics (abusement caused my somewhat hard time at remembering these things.

Also you are the only one raising these questions. I will find it for you though.

He's not the only one asking these questions, as of now, I am too. Let's see your sources; if you're not going to provide any for evaluation then all you are doing is making baseless assertions.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

He's not the only one asking these questions, as of now, I am too. Let's see your sources; if you're not going to provide any for evaluation then all you are doing is making baseless assertions.

The Vaccine had a mecury based presevative called thimerosal caused about a lot of things related to autism, speech delay, hyperactivity and so forth. This preservative is common among vaccines put forth towards children.

It was a report given by Robert Kennedy. I'll try and find the report for you to look over it further (it was mentioned on the talk show) in a PM.

 

[Aught3]

I doubt the report by Robert Kennedy will impress me I know all about the crap he spouts about vaccines. However, if you post it I will read it and respond.

The Vaccine had a mecury based presevative called thimerosal caused about a lot of things related to autism, speech delay, hyperactivity and so forth. This preservative is common among vaccines put forth towards children.

Yes, I know about thimerosal if you remember I was the one who first mentioned it. There has never been any link established between thimerosal and autism.