Sparhafoc said:If yes to these two questions, then you must know your point is nonsensical because agency is not required for water to turn into wine, it's what grape plants do under certain circumstances.
If you are not following the conversation that I am having with HWN, then please do not comment, when we talk about water turning in to wine, we mean “like Jesus did it according to the bible”
In other words, if you have water in a cup, (or some other container) and this water turns in to wine, surly you would say that design is the best explanation.