Ron Paul

[Anachronous Rex]

Though while we're on the subject: I also find that people who spend a lot of time fixating on labels really tend to wear out their welcome very fast. Especially so when the "you must just think that way because you're an x" thing enters into play.

You can call it herd-mentality if you like, but I construe it more positively. Political labels just roughly outline one's political values, expecting it to perfectly describe a person is asinine. I would rather much prefer labels than enumerating a multitude of policies and beliefs to demonstrate my values, categorization saves time. Labels help identify and align people towards a common political goal. I believe it is significant.

Mayhaps, but when dealing with people in a conversational setting - or in the context of this forum - they are of almost no use.

Observe:
You call yourself a libertarian. Immediately I am slightly unnerved, but only because I have known many 'libertarians' who cling to the moniker only to emphasize disdain for the principal two parties of the American republic, with little actual understanding of the stance's policies or consequences. Still others do understand possess a functional understanding of the libertarian position (sometimes even a quite advanced understanding), but are - if you'll excuse my being crude about it - inept or naive when it comes to application and implementation, and employ a sort of magical thinking with regards to how things will just work out on their own; completely oblivious to the possibility of a failed state. Finally there are, the most painful of all groups, those whose view of libertarianism borders on Anarcho-capitalism, and who may in fact be closeted or oblivious Anarcho-capitalists.

All of these people are morons, but I also know people who call themselves libertarian who are well thought out, intelligent, and responsible. People I would vote for if they ran for local office or somesuch. Hell, I'd even vote for some of them on a national scale.

Now which one are you? The label is of no use to me here, I'd have to actually know your stance on real issues to make any judgment as to your person. The same applies to most labels, save for a very rare category of positions that do not allow for dissidence, and do not tolerate it in their midst.

"What do you believe and why?" is all I bother to ask these days.

 

[impiku]

The label is of no use to me here

If you say so.

Now which one are you? I'd have to actually know your stance on real issues to make any judgment as to your person.

I'm certainly not an anarcho-capitalist but I'm not sure, what do you think? My stance will get clearer as I post more on political issues.

 

[kenandkids]

Private ownership is a better way of protecting the environment than simply enacting regulations, since it provides incentives to protect one's property and this is vindicated by the fact that forests that are privately owned are better maintained than state-owned forests(Healing Our World by Dr. Mary J. Ruwart).

Since the only people capable of buying the vast tracts of land and property are the very same ones that want nothing more than to destroy them, I call bullshit.

What ended child labor was wealth accumulated by labor(including child labor) and because of this, children could afford education for higher living standard in the future.

This betrays an absolute ignorance on the subject. Seriously, you need to get better educated.

and they probably had to compete with adult workers that are better suited for work.

Then please, pray tell, why do current conservatives slather at the mouth at the idea of hiring kids in favour of their parents? Because they are cheaper and more easily taken advantage of! child labour has statistically and always been in the most dangerous and demeaning, or exploitive, roles. Service industry children are often victims of rape and molestation while industry children are victims of easily preventable "accidents." Have you ever wondered why children were used in coal mines? For one thing, it was cheaper to build tunnels and then send in the smaller children, rather than expand the tunnels for adults. For another, parents had numerous children, and companies view them as items, not people. Payouts to parents were minimal, precisely because corporations argued that parents "could always have another."

The lives of children would've been in a worse shape if it weren't for child labor,

"The lives of [blacks] would've been in worse shape if it weren't for [slavery]." You neocon teathugs are truly amazing creatures...


Teathug quote that impiku altered slightly: http://sfist.com/2011/07/12/michele_bachmann_signs_racist_pledg.php

 

[impiku]

sigh you're the one who needs to get better educated. I've never been called a neocon before.

 

[kenandkids]

sigh you're the one who need to get better educated. I've never been called a neocon before.

Way to address the points...

Considering that nearly all you've done since arriving is to call people "liberal" as if it's a bad word and argue for child labour, racism, and other conservative fetishes, I stand by the term as it applies to you.

 

[impiku]

Way to address the points...

Considering that nearly all you've done since arriving is to call people "liberal" as if it's a bad word and argue for child labour, racism, and other conservative fetishes, I stand by the term as it applies to you.

You haven't been keeping up with my posts. I'm not interested. You were never serious about addressing my points either since I arrived. You call those counterarguments? Since when were red-herring and non sequitur considered legit? I shouldn't have taken you seriously from the beginning.

 

[Welshidiot]

Way to address the points...

Considering that nearly all you've done since arriving is to call people "liberal" as if it's a bad word and argue for child labour, racism, and other conservative fetishes, I stand by the term as it applies to you.

You haven't been keeping up with my posts. I'm not interested. You were never serious about addressing my points either since I arrived. You call those counterarguments? Since when were red-herring and non sequitur considered legit? I shouldn't have taken you seriously from the beginning.

Could you please answer me a question Impiku?

In your profile you've listed your interests as "Tap Dancing."........is that literal tap dancing that you're referring to, or are you being metaphorical?

 

[kenandkids]

What is Ron Paul's position on what to do if an earthquake levels a town, a hurricane drowns a region, or a tornado rips apart a community?

Fuck off and move elsewhere.


http://www.salon.com/news/ron_paul/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/08/26/ron_paul_hurricanes

 

[Prolescum]

I love these comedy threads. Keep it up, guys!

 

[impiku]

Could you please answer me a question Impiku?

In your profile you've listed your interests as "Tap Dancing."........is that literal tap dancing that you're referring to, or are you being metaphorical?

Could you please answer me a question? Are you really an idiot?

 

[Anachronous Rex]

Could you please answer me a question Impiku?

In your profile you've listed your interests as "Tap Dancing."........is that literal tap dancing that you're referring to, or are you being metaphorical?

Could you please answer me a question? Are you really an idiot?

MOD NOTE:

THIS STOPS NOW.

 

[impiku]

Damn I wanted to edit. But okay Barney. I'll listen.

 

[Welshidiot]

@ Impiku

Thank you for your unequivocal answer, I couldn't have hoped for more.

 

[impiku]

Your interest in me is unappreciated. Just saying.

 

[Welshidiot]

Your interest in me is unappreciated. Just saying.

I have no interest in you, just the claims you make.

 

[IBSpify]

Your interest in me is unappreciated. Just saying.

psst, he's saying that you like to "tap dance" around the arguments presented to you instead of actually addressing points, judging by your responses to him, I think that his reference went a little over your head, and that you still haven't gotten it.

In regards to private ownership being better then regulations i have to disagree, if we were to put the Alaskan arctic wildlife refuge up for sale who do you think would spend the most money to purchase it, the people who wish to protect it, or the corporations who wish to destroy it to drill for oil? While i agree that a privately owned forest is likely better maintained then a state owned forest, I question how many companies would purchase a forest with the intent on keeping it a forest.

I'm not going to even address your views on child labor laws, because your views that corporations should be allowed to exploit children so they can have a cheap work force are really quite indefensible

 

[impiku]

psst, he's saying that you like to "tap dance" around the arguments presented to you instead of actually addressing points, judging by your responses to him, I think that his reference went a little over your head, and that you still haven't gotten it.

I'm not going to address your arguments either, it's a typical lib argument and a misunderstanding that only furthers misery, like the anti-sweatshop arguments and even though English is not my first language, I know what "tap dancing around" means, and I was just being silly must have been gone over your head.

 

[kenandkids]

psst, he's saying that you like to "tap dance" around the arguments presented to you instead of actually addressing points, judging by your responses to him, I think that his reference went a little over your head, and that you still haven't gotten it.

I'm not going to address your arguments either, it's a typical lib argument and a misunderstanding that only furthers misery, like the anti-sweatshop arguments and even though English is not my first language, I know what "tap dancing around" means, and I was just being silly must have been gone over your head.

And yet again you use that word as if it's an insult. Try, just once, discussing instead of calling us names that don't insult us like you intend.

 

[ohcac]

What is Ron Paul's position on what to do if an earthquake levels a town, a hurricane drowns a region, or a tornado rips apart a community?

If the affected communities were outside of the jurisdiction of the governing body that had the power to build a response team, then I wouldn't have any problem with just leaving them to their own devices. However, within the jurisdiction I would advocate total response using tax money applied universally for disaster relief, but only if I thought I as an individual was at risk for being in such a disaster.

 

[Squawk]

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