Prostitution - Yes or No

[lrkun]

We were just talking about the differences between pornography and prostitution.....are you not going to finish the conversation??

As for your questions from before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution


There is the history of the "Words Oldest Professiion", Prostitution, for you. That should answer all your questions and how it came to be all that it is today.

-According to Wikipedia

That conversation is off the topic. However, if you will make a new thread, then I probably will address the issue there. But, I'm not really interested with prostitutes or pornography.

To remain on topic, what is the evil sought to be prevented if we prohibit prostitution? If you know this, then you can do studies or research and prove that claim is wrong.

 

[offmyrocker]

what is the evil sought to be prevented if we prohibit prostitution?

What is the evil sought to be stopped by not letting it be?

 

[Anachronous Rex]

what is the evil sought to be prevented if we prohibit prostitution?

What is the evil sought to be stopped by letting it be?

In those parts of first-world nations where prostitution is legal there tend not to be nearly so many pimps, instances of drug addiction, abuse, murder, and sexually transmitted disease.

 

[lrkun]

what is the evil sought to be prevented if we prohibit prostitution?

What is the evil sought to be stopped by letting it be?

I thought you read your wikipedia thing. :shock: It's there right? You did say it provides everything up to now.

If you missed it.

1. It is immoral.
2. It promotes immorality.
3. It promotes crime.

:shock:

Provide references which debunks these. That is what I am suggesting, if you really want prostitution to prosper.

Your problem is, some religions ( ex. christian), politicians, and the law views it as immoral.

 

[lrkun]

In those parts of first-world nations where prostitution is legal there tend not to be nearly so many pimps, instances of drug addiction, abuse, murder, and sexually transmitted disease.

Do you have references to back this up? It would help this thread starter's cause.

 

[Anachronous Rex]

In those parts of first-world nations where prostitution is legal there tend not to be nearly so many pimps, instances of drug addiction, abuse, murder, and sexually transmitted disease.

Do you have references to back this up? It would help this thread starter's cause.

Only my old textbook from Sociology of Deviance 341. Constructions of Deviance: Social Power, Context, and Interaction by Adler & Adler.

You might want to look up ThePeach's channel as well, she has some good stuff on this:
http://www.youtube.com/user/xxxThePeachxxx

 

[lrkun]

You might want to look up ThePeach's channel as well, she has some good stuff on this:
http://www.youtube.com/user/xxxThePeachxxx

I see. I hope the thread starter checks that out. I'm not interested in prostitution. Not my thing, hehe.

 

[Unwardil]

I can't put it any better than George Carlin so I'll just quote him.

"Sell is legal, Fucking is legal... Why isn't selling fucking legal?!"

And that pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter.

 

[offmyrocker]

In those parts of first-world nations where prostitution is legal there tend not to be nearly so many pimps, instances of drug addiction, abuse, murder, and sexually transmitted disease.

Are you saying they were already less of these things without prostitution being legal? Or, are you trying to say that these things are less because prostitution is legal and can be controlled?

 

[Anachronous Rex]

In those parts of first-world nations where prostitution is legal there tend not to be nearly so many pimps, instances of drug addiction, abuse, murder, and sexually transmitted disease.

Are you saying they were already less of these things without prostitution being legal? Or, are you trying to say that these things are less because prostitution is legal and can be controlled?

The second, although it isn't even necessarily that it can be regulated that accomplishes many of these ends:

Without the illegality of their work prostitutes are more apt to seek legal recourse against abuse, hence pimping is quickly diminished and abuse is more readily reported.

Drug addiction is often a tool of pimps, and is subsequently diminished.

Open competition and demands of clientà¨le render some sort of quality assurance a must. Standards, supervisory bodies, and disease screening arise quickly and organically.

These supervisory bodies also tend to provide some measure of security for prostitutes, further resulting in a safer work environment.

 

[Yfelsung]

Countries that legalized or decriminalized both prostitution and drugs have less problems with both.

Prohibition does not work. Period.

 

[offmyrocker]

Countries that legalized or decriminalized both prostitution and drugs have less problems with both.

Prohibition does not work. Period.

The second, although it isn't even necessarily that it can be regulated that accomplishes many of these ends:

Without the illegality of their work prostitutes are more apt to seek legal recourse against abuse, hence pimping is quickly diminished and abuse is more readily reported.

Drug addiction is often a tool of pimps, and is subsequently diminished.

Open competition and demands of clientà¨le render some sort of quality assurance a must. Standards, supervisory bodies, and disease screening arise quickly and organically.

These supervisory bodies also tend to provide some measure of security for prostitutes, further resulting in a safer work environment.

That is my thoughts on this subject, thank you both.

 

[Giliell]

First of all, I don't like prostitution. I think it's bad when somebody sees another person only as an object to satisfy their own needs, regardless of that person's own feelings and wishes. I doubt that there are many prostitutes who really do that job because they like it. Most do it because they see no other way to earn their living and feed their families, which is especially true here in the case of eastern European prostitutes working in western Europe where they have to earn the living of the whole family and are often robbed by the pimps.

Having said that:
Prostitution should be legal.
The weakest link in this whole business od human trafficking, pimps, drugs and so on is always the prostitute. And a prostitute can only be protected by the state and help to solve crimes if they don't have to fear prosecution themselves. If the prostitute can't go to the police, the customer is much more likely and able to cheat them, beat them, force them to have sex without a condom. Same goes for the pimps (procuration should remain ileagal). Whom are they going to go to to complain?

There are definetly advantages of having legal, regulated prostitution. It provides protection for the prostitutes, it provides protection for the customers via obligatory health checks and it earns taxes. Organisations that provide counselling and help if the prositutes want to get out of it can access them more easily.
On the other hand it saves a lot of resources. Instead of hunting poor women (and of course men) who are desperately trying to earn a living, I'd rather have the police hunt down the pimps who exploit them and to do something against human trafficking.

 

[Your Funny Uncle]

Yup. Legalise it, control it and tax it. Just like drug use it is happening and will continue to happen so why not make it as safe as possible for the women (and indeed men) involved, while freeing up police time and budget to fight other crime and simultaneously making money for the state? I can't see any logical reason why we shouldn't.

 

[Nautyskin]

I never really understood why it wasn't legal.

 

[TheFlyingBastard]

Works for us here in Holland.

And the English love it.

 

[offmyrocker]

Yup. Legalise it, control it and tax it. Just like drug use it is happening and will continue to happen so why not make it as safe as possible for the women (and indeed men) involved, while freeing up police time and budget to fight other crime and simultaneously making money for the state? I can't see any logical reason why we shouldn't.

Amen.

I never really understood why it wasn't legal.

Same here.

 

[ArthurWilborn]

There's an unintended problem. Social norms change to where prostitution is seen as an acceptable business opportunity. This means more people go into the business. Even regulated, prostitution is still a dangerous profession.

And, of course, what's the hottest commodity for sex for money? Minors.

http://gvnet.com/childprostitution/Netherlands.htm

Yes, I know correlation is not necessarily causation, but there seems to be a direct link here.

 

[Anachronous Rex]

There's an unintended problem. Social norms change to where prostitution is seen as an acceptable business opportunity. This means more people go into the business. Even regulated, prostitution is still a dangerous profession.

And, of course, what's the hottest commodity for sex for money? Minors.

http://gvnet.com/childprostitution/Netherlands.htm

Yes, I know correlation is not necessarily causation, but there seems to be a direct link here.

While some of this can probably just be blamed on the Dutch being... weird, there is probably some truth in your statements.

I do not find it difficult to imagine that the illegality of certain sexual actions makes them more arousing. However, taken in its totality I sincerely believe that legalizing prostitution is better for social welfare; and lest we forget the majority of inter-city prostitutes in the United States begin their careers before the age of consent (again, I'm referencing Adler & Adler.)

 

[Giliell]

There's an unintended problem. Social norms change to where prostitution is seen as an acceptable business opportunity. This means more people go into the business. Even regulated, prostitution is still a dangerous profession.

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Prosititution is legal in Germany, but I wouldn't say that it is socially accepted. It's not like the job centre will suggest that you start your new career at the next brothel if you're unemployed.