My Teachers Are All Creationists

[buzzausa]

Run, flee!!!!!

Get away from that place before your brain starts to melt!!!

Save yourself!!!

 

[MachineSp1rit]

and btw them being creationists doesnt mean they can't teach u well. excluding biology, perhaps.

 

[Chirios]

and btw them being creationists doesnt mean they can't teach u well. excluding biology, perhaps.

But see this is the problem. They are bad teachers, I've known this for a while. It's why I spend so much time home-learning. And now I wonder if their creationist views are part of what causes them to be bad teachers.

 

[MachineSp1rit]

And now I wonder if their creationist views are part of what causes them to be bad teachers.

no. i'm pretty certain somebody will disagree but i have met creationists teachers who were perfect in what were they do. though i didn't bother to examine everybody's belifes, coz i didnt care.

as for the rest, u just have two choices, deal with it or deal not.

 

[GoodKat]

I used to have a creationist science teacher in high school, he was an excellent teacher overall, but his grasp of science was limited.

 

[orpiment99]

I can't agree with keeping your head down and just getting on with things. This is the very thing that I believe all of us should stand against. How many people will take the word of the authority figure and continue in ignorance? While I wouldn't suggest being aggressive about it, I think that you should stand up for the truth. However, if you are willing to do so, you should be prepared with evidence to back up your statements. Keep all your work so that if they are grading you unfairly you have the evidence, as well.

Either way, good luck!

 

[Ozymandyus]

I would suggest waiting until you are out of these classes and they no longer have the ability to unjustly punish you, then speak out against them. Or go into their next semester classes, and show them what's what, or hand out pamphlets with the silly quotes that such a teacher undoubtedly makes. But to do such things while someone has a position of authority over you may not the best way - it may just teach other people that when they speak out their beliefs they get punished. There are established venues to make complaints about teachers and their effectiveness as well that you can use without fear of reprisal, that may well be much more effective if you don't make a big scene in your class.

Why risk that if you can be just as effective later without the possible repercussions?

 

[Canto]

I disagree wholeheartedly with those who say keep your head down and play along. That is denying not only yourself, but any other student who takes that class a proper education. Fight it with every means at your disposal. If its college, go to the department head, and then to the dean. If highschool or lower, talk to your parents and the principal of your school.

Your education is paramount. Do not allow someone who is NOT qualified to be teaching a subject to teach it. It's wrong, it's immoral. I got into it with my English Prof over after he claimed Catholicism as the only true religion a few times in class. I still passed and he is not teaching there anymore.

 

[MachineSp1rit]

no, wrong. they are not teaching him religion at all. religion is not going to be subject of education and i think it will be hardly mentioned. so whats the big deal? do u "duel" every creationist u meet?

 

[Chirios]

I'm not going to start arguments or anything, I was just a bit shocked that was all. I mean, every single science teacher in a single college being a creationist? Just didn't make much sense to me.

 

[MachineSp1rit]

i'm curious there, how did u find out that all of them are creationists?

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I disagree wholeheartedly with those who say keep your head down and play along. That is denying not only yourself, but any other student who takes that class a proper education. Fight it with every means at your disposal. If its college, go to the department head, and then to the dean. If highschool or lower, talk to your parents and the principal of your school.

Your education is paramount. Do not allow someone who is NOT qualified to be teaching a subject to teach it. It's wrong, it's immoral. I got into it with my English Prof over after he claimed Catholicism as the only true religion a few times in class. I still passed and he is not teaching there anymore.

To be fair, I know that I suggested to keep your head down unless the professors are letting their beliefs interfere with the teaching. It really depends on how it comes up, and how it affects the class.

I was in a situation where complaining about a teacher's beliefs would have been silly and counterproductive. I took a public speaking class one semester, and the teacher was a complete liberal... just like me, and very unlike a large portion of the class. I know his views pissed off more than a few students. But, his beliefs were only a very tiny bit of the total class time, and he never graded anyone unfairly for holding different beliefs. The two most successful students in the class were me, and a guy who was pretty much my complete opposite in every opinion expressed. What would have been the purpose of attacking an effective teacher for his views, when they clearly didn't interfere with the class or the way he graded people?

 

[Canto]

As I stated, if it is interfering with their ability to teach the class, say biology, then no I do not recommend being silent. When I argued with my English professor, it ended there, he is teaching at a catholic college now. I wanted to make my opinion on it clear as day to him because I believed it mattered.

At the college level, I've yet to have issues with professors after I've spoken with them about such things. Most professors are more open and understanding and willing to listen if you speak to them calmly, rationally, and logically.

I'm paying for this education, you can bet the farm that I'm going to fight to make sure I'm getting what I paid for and not religious dogma disguised as education.

 

[Chirios]

i'm curious there, how did u find out that all of them are creationists?

A large proportion of the school is muslim, so sometimes religion gets brought up.

 

[GoodKat]

To be fair, I know that I suggested to keep your head down unless the professors are letting their beliefs interfere with the teaching. It really depends on how it comes up, and how it affects the class.

The only thing is, a teacher who lets their beliefs interfere with their teaching is much more likely to grade him unfairly for disagreeing with them.

 

[MachineSp1rit]

i wouldn't say unfairly, they would be more aware of that. instead they will not give any advantages, like ask students more difficult questions than usually are asked, i mean homework. ignoring questions, pretending that they didn't hear it out, being sarcastic etc. etc. they have many ways to fuck u up, but they can't do much against a VERY GOOD student.

but only low and stupid teacher would do that. teachers who are not good in their field are very much aware that they are going to be caught on something, If u argue with his "unquestionable" words they consider u as threat.

 

[orpiment99]

The problem being that as long as we allow the petty dictator types power in the classroom they will continue on doing the same thing to countless students. It is never easy to be the one who challenges authority when authority is wrong, but I still feel it is better to do that than allow the status quo to continue.

Sooner or later, someone has to take a stand or nothing will change.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

To quote my physics teacher:

"I have done a lot of research [on evolution], and scientists have never found one basic kind of thing turning into another."

People get very hung up on this. Perhaps the first question I would ask is what they mean by one thing turning into another - and what constitutes a basic "kind" of thing?

Obviously your physics teacher is not his or her own father nor mother but came from both - so did the father and mother "turn into" the physics teacher? Of course not. Nor would it be rational to ask, if the physics teacher came from the mother and father, why do the mother and father still exist (providing that they have not died, of course).

And, nonetheless, the physics teacher is NOT the mother nor the father. One could be rigid and define kind as meaning specific individual and since the physics teacher is not the specific individual that either parent was then the physics teacher is a new kind. On the other hand you could stretch the definition out to include primates in which case the physics teacher would not be a different kind, but nor would a gorilla or a bonobo.

The physics teacher may then try to say that the idea of "kind" is a matter of common sense but then, a physics teacher should know better than to appeal to common sense - there's a lot of physics where "common sense" really doesn't get you very far.

 

[ThetaOmega]

A science experiment:

Go into your bathroom, lift the seat on the toilet, flush it and look deep into the swirling waters.
That's where the American Standard of Education is going.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

A science experiment:

Go into your bathroom, lift the seat on the toilet, flush it and look deep into the swirling waters.
That's where the American Standard of Education is going.

Obviously, especially reading standards, and/or geography... this thread is about a school in London. :lol: :lol: :lol: