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Islam is the religion of peace, isn´t it?
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Welshidiot
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Do you speak the language that is being spoken by the Afghans in the video?
If so can you verify that the translation we were given was accurate?
If so can you verify that the translation we were given was accurate?
This kind of thing happens all the time really.
I'd question the translation of some parts of that, namely the "They want our country to be peaceful" part, but other than that the Islamic world is pretty rife with all sorts of conspiracy theories. Much like the Western world is.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a school in the US teaching the exact same thing, but twisted to involve other categories of people like liberals, atheists and evolutionists.
I'd question the translation of some parts of that, namely the "They want our country to be peaceful" part, but other than that the Islamic world is pretty rife with all sorts of conspiracy theories. Much like the Western world is.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a school in the US teaching the exact same thing, but twisted to involve other categories of people like liberals, atheists and evolutionists.
Welshidiot
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How can it be "used for war"? Can it be turned into ammunition or vehicles? Does it have a particularly sharp cutting edge? Has it read "The Art of War", and graduated with honours from Sandhurst Military Academy?lrkun said:
Welshidiot
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Do you actually know what that word means?lrkun said:Jihad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
Welshidiot
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Welshidiot said:Do you actually know what that word means?lrkun said:Jihad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
I checked it the first time, the translation of the word itself does not carry an implicit connotation of war. The word "jihad" is however found in other phrases that do pertain to war, but it's also found in others that pertain to peaceful activity.........as is explained in the Wiki article.lrkun said:Yes.
So would please you explain to me in greater detail, and without using non sequitur answers, what you meant by "it [Islam] can be used for war".........?
Pretty, pretty please..............
Welshidiot said:
No I don,´t, but I do not remember ANY suicide attack in my hometown (Unfortunately Christian) and here in Sweden in December, there was a Muslim extremist who blew himself in the Queen Street...
Christians extremists seed fear against homosexuals and promote teen pregnancies, Muslims do the same, and additionally they kill...
Even moderate ones, want to kill anyone who contradicts the mumbo-jumbo!
One of my friends, proud muslim, has a picture of himself while holding a man's decapitated head, when he was 12-15 years old. Kind of a right of passage where they came from. He says he's glad he left the thing. As a kid, he didn't know better. :/ Religion does that to you. Oh yeah, he's still follows islam, but understand the importance of thinking for himself. That's why he left the fold, but not the belief. Hence, in this case, he was led to believe by those who lead his faith.
Welshidiot
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Bullshit! Complete and utter bullshit!Hedley said:
Really? So where does he come from then?lrkun said:
Bullshit! Religion does not make people cut other people's heads off! And the rest of your post proves that, because as you said your friend still has his faith.lrkun said:
My gf is a muslim and she doesn't want to kill anyone, she's allright with my atheism, she even thinks all those muslims that want to kill and act like lunatics are wrong.
According to her she follows Islam in the right way but it's not like there is a "right" or "wrong" way to follow Islam. You need an Imam to interpret most verses in the Quran and if the Imam is an extremist he will say the Quran tells you to kill all infidels, if the Imam is civilized he will say the Quran tells you to follow science and be tolerant towards other religions. Islam used to support science alot, muslims made some really important discoveries back in the middle ages. Unfortunately most Islamic countries got stuck in that time due to a number of reasons.
According to her she follows Islam in the right way but it's not like there is a "right" or "wrong" way to follow Islam. You need an Imam to interpret most verses in the Quran and if the Imam is an extremist he will say the Quran tells you to kill all infidels, if the Imam is civilized he will say the Quran tells you to follow science and be tolerant towards other religions. Islam used to support science alot, muslims made some really important discoveries back in the middle ages. Unfortunately most Islamic countries got stuck in that time due to a number of reasons.
Welshidiot said:
o,o You love this word don't you, but it doesn't teach us anything nor does it impart anything. If you say it is wrong say why it is so.
Yes. I don't see the relation of your second question. Why not enlighten my why you asked such.w.idiot said:
w.idiot said:
Your choice of words are limited eh? My friend still has faith, but doesn't mean he exercises the rituals of his religion. ^^,
lrkun said:
I could do that. It's an astonishing claim that a 12-15 year old could actually behead someone at all. That it would be a rite of passage is, I must admit, very hard to believe.
Such an act would imply incredible barbarism that simply doesn't really exist today to my knowledge. So the location is important, as one would expect the UN Human Rights Watchdog to be all over this if there was a group or tribe in which males routinely killed and beheaded people. It definitely would not happen in Eurasia, the Americas, Japan, Australia, China, India, the Middle East etc so for the claim to be believable, the context of location (deep Papua New Guinea? Indian Ocean Islands? The Pacific Islands?-all stereotypically barbarous places.) is something that must be known.
kenandkids
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nasher168 said:
You're kidding, right? Warlords across Africa and into the southern Middle East actively promote this sort of thing and press gang youths into their "armies." These atrocities aren't as rare as we would want them to be.
Indeed children will be pressed into doing that sort of thing in some parts of the world. But nowhere, to my knowledge, is it a "Kind of a rite of passage". Especially not in Islam. Some (and I stress "some") of the Mesoamerican religions were perhaps that brutal, but not modern Islam.
The terminology used by lrkun implied that a religious requirement of Islam in some parts of the world was to behead people as a rite of passage and I find that difficult to believe.
From a few searches, I have found that it was once a rite of passage for some people in Taiwan to behead your enemy at 18. But this practice has ceased since Japan conquered Taiwan in the '30s and was never associated with Islam, and did not happen for 12-15 year olds.
The terminology used by lrkun implied that a religious requirement of Islam in some parts of the world was to behead people as a rite of passage and I find that difficult to believe.
From a few searches, I have found that it was once a rite of passage for some people in Taiwan to behead your enemy at 18. But this practice has ceased since Japan conquered Taiwan in the '30s and was never associated with Islam, and did not happen for 12-15 year olds.
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