Islam 'insulted' by alleged child killer's mug shot

[Canto]

Joe, I don't see where the cops violated anything here. Is there a law that says a muslim woman must wear the hijab in a mugshot? As I understand it, wearing the hijab is not even qu'ranic(?) law. It is merely a social custom. I'm just not sure on why its a big deal.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Joe, I don't see where the cops violated anything here. Is there a law that says a muslim woman must wear the hijab in a mugshot? As I understand it, wearing the hijab is not even qu'ranic(?) law. It is merely a social custom. I'm just not sure on why its a big deal.

Apparently, it is a big deal to some Muslims. If there's a way to accommodate their superstition while making sure they also do their job, they probably have a responsibility to do so. I mean, really... you can't throw the chick in a hoodie? Did the cops have to release this picture to the media, especially when it was pretty obvious it would be embarrassing?

I've got to tell you, I'm pretty sick of the police, the media, and our culture as a whole treating people accused of crimes like they have been convicted of those crimes. That's the context in which I'm complaining about this.

 

[IBSpify]

I sort of have to back up Joe in this instance.

While I disagree with him on the issue of the mugshot being taken, (it's standard procedure, you can't say your culture doesn't believe allow the taking of photographs because it steals your soul to get out of having a mugshot taken), I do agree that the mugshot should not have been released to the media. But I hold that belief with all mugshots that are released to the media.

However, my issue with what happened has nothing to do with the Islamic culture, i don't believe the police should release any mugshots, unless a Guilty plea/verdict is reached, because the mugshots give the impression of guilt which hurts the persons chances of a fair trial.

regardless of whether or not she did this, can you honestly say that after seeing that mugshot and reading the story any of you could be an impartial juror to her case? judging from the comments of "fuck her" and what what i would say you couldn't.

Our system works on a Innocent until proven guilty mentality, but now even if she is found not guilty everybody will think that she actually did do it because of this story, and the mugshot that was released. (if you don't think that will happen look at Micheal Jackson, he has never been found guilty of any crime but that doesn't stop people)

 

[Canto]

While wikipedia doesnt have a citation up on this, and I'm being lazy and not doing more research. Once a mug shot is taken it is public domain unless the records are sealed.

I may be pushing the boundries of Freedom of and from Religion here, but I think the law and the enforcers of it should not have to take someone's religion into account. You are venturing onto a slippery slope here when defending somthing as innocent as a hijab. If you make allowances for one bit of a religions dogma or culture, you open the door for the rest to saunter in. If it was an honor killing or some other actual teaching of the qu'ran or the supplementary book (someone name it, I think its kadith or somthing like that) we wouldnt even be having this discussion. As a society we can not and should not bend over backwards for religious dogmas and superstitions. It puts us in an untenable situation. No, this is not a simple cut and dried issue that will have no consequences.

My opinion is this. They willingly chose to come to(or stay, I dont know the situation) America. When signing for a visa, or attaining citizenship you agree to abide by the rules and laws of the land. You can't use your cultures differences as a shield from those laws. If they did not like the laws or customs, they are welcome to leave and live somewhere that they feel comfortable.

If the law has to bend to dogmas and supersitions we take one more step towards a theocracy. I don't want to see that.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

My opinion is this. They willingly chose to come to(or stay, I dont know the situation) America. When signing for a visa, or attaining citizenship you agree to abide by the rules and laws of the land. You can't use your cultures differences as a shield from those laws. If they did not like the laws or customs, they are welcome to leave and live somewhere that they feel comfortable.

If the law has to bend to dogmas and supersitions we take one more step towards a theocracy. I don't want to see that

Sounds racist... sorry.

 

[IBSpify]

Sounds racist... sorry.

In what way? How is it racist to say "Look, you are allowed to keep your culture, but you are still subject to the rules of our society"

 

[ImprobableJoe]

In what way? How is it racist to say "Look, you are allowed to keep your culture, but you are still subject to the rules of our society"

I didn't say it was, I said it sounded like... and I DID say sorry. :shock:

 

[Lv2]

Sounds racist... sorry.

It doesn't sound racist to me.

 

[Weirdtopia]

I believe with canto on this because we have laws and regulations to protect the individuals that are innocent but at the same time no one can be exempted due to religious belief. It wouldn't fair for the people that are anti-social or concerned for there identity when they have to go through it too.
But the purpose of the mug shot is what makes it justified for the reason that she was photographed is because if she escapes or is released due to good behavior and she commits another crime, how do you track her? When she was commited a crime then she loses some rights like identity.

 

[PJDesseyn]

she should've received a T-shirt or a sweater or something, to cover her body. not the face though, since that's essential for a mug shot. whether she's a Muslim or not, she's a suspect and should therefore have a mug shot, just like all other suspects. she shouldn't be treated differently, just because she's a Muslim.

I think Muslims are getting way to much freedom in depriving us of our own freedom and rights. if we make a cartoon of Mohammed, they go on the streets and kill people, burn flags, put a financial block on Denmark. if we tell them that they must follow the same laws as us, they want their own law system to be authoritative over them and not our system. if one kid gets smacked, the whole community trashes the neighbourhood.

I have all respect for normal Muslims who come to our countries or are born here and adjust to our systems, but I have very few respect for Muslims who come here to tell us we must follow their rules or get beaten up by them.

 

[Penguin_Factory]

Hmmm......

I agree that this woman should have been treated like any other suspect, regardless of religious belief. On the other hand, I don't think it was necessary to release it to the media.

we are, im just saying thats its highly unlikely the police would say she has confessed when she hasn't

http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/False-Confessions.php

I don't trust confessions (or any other method of conviction for that matter) until the appeals process has run it's course and the conviction has been examined from multiple independent perspectives. I'd make a pretty lousy juror, but I've read too much about false imprisonment to be comfortable with condemning someone unless the police literally caught them red handed.

 

[IBSpify]

I did a little bit of research, it seems that mugshots are part of public domain, therefor, assuming that the police didn't send the mugshots to the media unsolicited there is nothing wrong with that, if the media asks for the mugshots, and pay whatever fee's are required for this (often times they will charge you for the photo to be printed out) then the police have no say in the mater, since it's public record they have to release it to the media should the media ask for it.

I don't necessarily agree with the law in this mater, as i personally think criminal cases such as this get too much air time, for example look at the MJ trails, he has never been found guilty of the crimes they charged him for, however because of the media blitz on the subject everybody assumes that he is in fact guilty of a crime that he's never been convicted of. I think media coverage hurts the justice system in that even if a person is found not guilty, people assume that they are simply because the media was covering the case

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I don't necessarily agree with the law in this mater, as i personally think criminal cases such as this get too much air time, for example look at the MJ trails, he has never been found guilty of the crimes they charged him for, however because of the media blitz on the subject everybody assumes that he is in fact guilty of a crime that he's never been convicted of. I think media coverage hurts the justice system in that even if a person is found not guilty, people assume that they are simply because the media was covering the case

Same here.

My perspective is colored by the fact that I live in Florida, and we're bombarded with media coverage of the Casey Anthony murder trial. Her daughter was murdered last year, and the body dumped... and long before the body was discovered, the media coverage was 100% slanted against Casey Anthony. I don't know if she did it or not, and the state's case seems to be very very shaky. She's going to be convicted though, because from day one the jury pool was tainted by media coverage that all but declared her guilt from the very start. The nightly coverage even has a title: "The Case Against Casey"... is it the media's job to act as the prosecutor, and make the case against a suspected criminal?!?!

 

[Gnomesmusher]

Other than not having a shirt, I don't think she was treated unfairly, guilty or not. That's how all suspects are treated. Now if you feel like this was a special circumstance because she's muslim, then sure maybe her photo shouldn't have been released to the public until proven guilty (although I think even then, Islam would still be insulted).

Personally though, I think the real problem (putting aside the alleged murder) is how ridiculous it is that women are made to feel so shamed just to show their face in public.

 

[JRBendixen]

Screw her and her religion too.

 

[COMMUNIST FLISK]

Personally though, I think the real problem (putting aside the alleged murder) is how ridiculous it is that women are made to feel so shamed just to show their face in public.

that sentance is perfect

 

[Otokogoroshi]

Frankly if it had been anyone else they would have done the exact same thing. I've seen plenty of cases like this and every single time these pictures get released. I have no say on her guilt so this is purely about the picture and its release. Were they wrong? No. Should they have been more sensitive? Sure. Give the lady a shirt. Other than that, it was fine.

 

[Espi]

Personally though, I think the real problem (putting aside the alleged murder) is how ridiculous it is that women are made to feel so shamed just to show their face in public.

I have to say that this about sums it up.