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Islam 'insulted' by alleged child killer's mug shot

arg-fallbackName="luckyirish67"/>
I think it was unnecessary to release it to the public since you should respect people's religions/cultures.
 
arg-fallbackName="Whisperelmwood"/>
Fuck her. Any other alleged child-killer is liable to have their mug-shot all over the papers, why should she not have HERS all over the papers?

Because, OH MY GOD, her religion says she shouldn't show her face?

Fuck her. When it comes to the law, especially when it comes to child-killing and the alleged commiting of such, all are treated equal - or fucking should be.

I don't care if she felt humiliated by having her face all over the papers, she killed a child, OVER FOUR DAYS.

Fuck her.

Even if she turns out to be inocent, still, fuck em. It is not 'one law for us, one law for you'. Fuck em.
"But if it was a nun accused of these crimes, would they treat her the same way?"
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If they don't, they bloody well should.
 
arg-fallbackName="ImprobableJoe"/>
There are ways to respect people's religion while still getting the job done. There was no need to humiliate this woman, and certainly no need to release the mugshot to the media.

There are two issues we need to keep in mind, as logical and rational people:

1) People are innocent until proven guilty. Let's not allow our disdain towards Islam cloud that fact. This woman has not been convicted of anything.

2) Whatever someone is accused of, whatever we might think of someone, there are rules that restrict the behavior of the police no matter who they have in custody. Bigotry and racism, or just ignorance and immaturity, are no excuse to say "fuck em."
 
arg-fallbackName="ImprobableJoe"/>
Aught3 said:
She has confessed though...
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Innocent until proven guilty... we don't know if the confession even happened, or if it is valid.

I'm not defending her, and if she's guilty she deserves to have the full weight of the law come down on her. But at this point, I'm not willing to condemn her.
 
arg-fallbackName="Canto"/>
Just as you are not willing to condemn her yet, I'm not willing to condemn the police department yet. They've done nothing outside the lines of a typical police investigation. Releasing a mug shot to the media is standard in a murder investigation as it can trigger memories of witnesses to the crime in question, or other crimes comitted by the person. Pardon me for not thinking that a woman in a hijab is a suitable mug shot. Should they have given her a t-shirt or somthing? Probably. But once the mug shot was taken, as per standard operating procedure when booking a criminal, the head scarf was handed back to her.

As the article ended with the question "Would they do this to a nun?" I'll respond to that too. Yes. They would. Would the nun be outraged by being forced to remove her habit? Nope. Apples and Oranges here.

I also think it is apples and oranges when it comes to the drivers license vs mugshot question. While both serve some of the same function(identification), the mug shot has more purposes.

As to a statement her husband made "It is against our religion; we do not do this in our culture" I simply say, if you wish to live in this country, you must abide by its rules and laws. We don't allow other identifying clothing in a mug shot, hijab, baseball cap, skimask, it doesnt matter.

And she chose to wear the "skimpy top" under the hijab, so she really can't complain about what she wore to her mug shot.
 
arg-fallbackName="PuppetXeno"/>
Well the picture isn't exactly flattering.. with her face crying like that. It's hard to identify faces if you'd have to compare it with a picture showing severe emotion. But hey, this is what you get if you mess with the law so they don't have any right to complain.

Not even about her not wearing a T shirt. I personally would've given her one but there's chances that she'd refuse to take&wear clothing not her own. Dunno islamic rules about that.

"But if it was a nun accused of these crimes, would they treat her the same way?"

Yes.
 
arg-fallbackName="Synystyr"/>
"We don't do this in our culture."

What, beating children to death or the 'secular picture taking'? You sort of forfeit your rights after killing children, and well there isn't much culture inside a jail cell. Enjoy ur koran.
 
arg-fallbackName="ImprobableJoe"/>
Synystyr said:
"We don't do this in our culture."

What, beating children to death or the 'secular picture taking'? You sort of forfeit your rights after killing children, and well there isn't much culture inside a jail cell. Enjoy ur koran.
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She hasn't been convicted, and you sound like a bigot.
 
arg-fallbackName="ImprobableJoe"/>
COMMUNIST FLISK said:
she admitted to it didnt she?

that removes her human rights in my opinion
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The cops say she gave a confession. We don't know if she did, we don't know if it is legitimate. Even if it is, if you think it "removes her human rights" than you are unfit for a modern, Western society.
 
arg-fallbackName="ImprobableJoe"/>
COMMUNIST FLISK said:
thats why im communist...
im sorry but i dont want a child killer in my society (if i had one)
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... or anyone even accused of it. So why even have courts? Cops can coerce confessions, and then I guess we should skip the trial and just shoot people behind the jail?
 
arg-fallbackName="COMMUNIST FLISK"/>
no, everyone has the right to a fair trial...
if they are found guilty then they should be duly punished
 
arg-fallbackName="COMMUNIST FLISK"/>
we are, im just saying thats its highly unlikely the police would say she has confessed when she hasn't
 
arg-fallbackName="Canto"/>
Guilty or not is immeterial to the complaint isnt it?

The problem is not with what she did or didnt do. She'll get her chance to stand before the law. The issue is what was done to her.
 
arg-fallbackName="ImprobableJoe"/>
Canto said:
Guilty or not is immeterial to the complaint isnt it?

The problem is not with what she did or didnt do. She'll get her chance to stand before the law. The issue is what was done to her.
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And yet, it seems that her supposed guilt excuses what was done to her. Let's be realistic: if she'd been picked up for writing a bad check or for being caught with a joint, fewer people would say "fuck her, who cares about her rights."

Part of my issue is that I want guilty people to go to jail and innocent people to be cleared of all charges, and in both cases I want out justice system to be beyond even the suggestion of inappropriate behavior. I want the cops and lawyers and judges to bend over backwards, and go above and beyond to respect the rights of the accused. Maybe it is because I get angry when someone who is innocent is convicted, maybe because I get angry when someone guilty gets off on a technicality... and maybe because I believe that a mature and enlightened ethical system requires us to put ourselves in the position of the least of us, and strive for a society that does its best for that person.
 
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